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RAWALPINDI: Army Chief General Ashfaq Pervez Kayani on Monday said that any effort to create a divide between the people and Armed Forces undermines Pakistan’s larger national interest.
“The Armed Forces draw their strength from the bedrock of the public support. National security is meaningless without it. Therefore, any effort which wittingly or unwittingly draws a wedge between the people and Armed Forces of Pakistan undermines the larger national interest,” said the military chief according to a press release by the army’s PR wing, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR).
“While constructive criticism is well understood, conspiracy theories based on rumours which create doubts about the very intent, are unacceptable.”
Speaking to officers at the Army’s General Headquarters (GHQ) in the garrison town of Rawalpindi, Kayani said that the country’s national interest could emerge only through a consensus between the people and institutions.
“No individual or institution has the monopoly to decide what is right or wrong in defining the ultimate national interest,” said the military chief according to a press release by the army’s PR wing, the Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR).
“It [National interest] should emerge only through a consensus, and all Pakistanis have a right to express their opinions. The constitution provides a clear mechanism for it.”
“As a nation, we are passing through a defining phase. We are critically looking at the mistakes made in the past and trying to set the course for a better future,” said the Army chief.
He added: “While individual mistakes might have been made by all of us in the country, these should be best left to the due process of law.
Kayani added that, while individual mistakes may have been made in the past, that no one is guilty until proven otherwise.
“Let us not pre judge anyone, be it a civilian or a military person and extend it, unnecessarily, to undermine respective institutions.
“All systems in Pakistan appear to be in a haste to achieve something, which can have both positive and negative implications,” he said.
“Let us take a pause and examine the two fundamental questions; One, are we promoting the rule of law and the constitution? Two, are we strengthening or weakening the institutions?”
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Nov 05, 2012 03:29pm
No individual institution is sole power. All institution should work within constituional power given. Judiciary is doing good job, but general comments are that SC is exceeding the limits. Every one need justice but first we need our country and its parts together and united. Respectible SC is looking to rule the country, making and breaking the gov is not SC job.
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Nov 05, 2012 05:33pm
Look who is talking?
He was part of NRO and got 3 years extension in the middle of the night and is likely to get another one. Was his extension strengthening the institution? Why he did not refuse to teke extension?. I think his extinction will strenghtening the Army. He is not in haste and need another three years to completely destory Pakistan.
He let Ramond Devis go like a VIP and cloud not do and is not doing thing to release Afia Siddiquie
He is reponsible for Abbotabad fiasco, he should have resigned if he had any moral courage
Why cannot drone attack be stopped ? This poodel has to keep his masters happy and does not care about annocent people killed.
Pakistan is the only contry in the world that is bombing its own peopl, why cannot he stop this ?
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Nov 05, 2012 01:57pm
leave it to the irresponsible 'media' and 'judiciary including some lawyers' who are bent upon irrational and bravado-type talks.
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Nov 05, 2012 04:28pm
Warning to Supreme court of Pakistan! I knew the Army will protect its generals.
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Nov 05, 2012 01:52pm
This is a very strong political statement by the Army Chief at a very critical time. He should avoid such oblique statements against the constitutional institutions and instead try to perform his task/duties in accordance with the dictates of the Constitution and his oath. The Army Generals, serving and retired ,accused of undermining the will of the people, should now account for their mistakes and acts including the financial corruption they had indulged in till now.
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Nov 05, 2012 03:38pm
even he has no right in official capacity to make such kind of remarks.
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Nov 05, 2012 03:38pm
General is right and we support him. He should ensure that national interests are not compromised and pygmies should be shown their place.
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Nov 05, 2012 01:53pm
Seems to be a message to CJ with advice to remain within the consititutional domain and avoid to behave like a dictator (judicial) / hero / superman who can kick / humiliate Head of State, Chief Executive / parliament and other institutions of the satate.
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Nov 05, 2012 03:34pm
An excellent reply to all those who think that by virtue of their position or incumbency they can solely define what is our national Interest.
A very mature and balanced approach by General Kayani
Moin
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Nov 05, 2012 04:00pm
If he is pointing towards TV talk shows, I must say that although our media has a very strong and vital role in national / international issues, but it should avoid such programs on daily basis in which they invite 2--3 personalities and for the 'discussions-sake' , they reach the height of FABRICATION.
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Nov 07, 2012 02:46am
What is wrong with what Kayani is saying democracy in last 4 years did what this government bring more corruptions inflation was up by 400% no electricity no jobs more unemployment no gas industry are shutting down due to no power and gas all they are doing is looting the country and take all the money to Swiss banks and no one is paying any taxes inculiding the government official how do you run a country by borrow money from IMF and put it in your accounts out side of the country all of them are (choor)
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Nov 05, 2012 02:48pm
A very positive & friendly advice to all concerned. Blame & counter blame have converted into a disturbing virus gripping the most respectable, disciplined & prestigious institutions of Pakistan. With little or no knowledge of the facts blames are being leveled on the very backbones of the country.
Armed Forces of Pakistan, ISI & the current judiciary have proved beyond doubt that our dear country is well secured & properly guided.
Peoples are surprised that some consider their political party as the only savior of Pakistan which is absolutely untrue.
Since the creation of Pakistan whatever action our great armed forces along with its subordinate institutions have taken has always been in the best interest of Pakistan. Whatever action the current judiciary has initiated is for the betterment of Pakistan whether it pleases some or not is irrelevant.
The peoples of Pakistan appreciates the efforts of the armed forces as well as that of the current judiciary and are satisfied that things will not be allowed to move anti clock wise.
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Nov 05, 2012 05:31pm
In Pakistan no one knows politics better than Army. They issue press release with a well calculated wordings and at right time. They know where to hit and who to hit.
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Nov 07, 2012 09:54am
Will national interest explain why you got an extension of 3 years service by forcing PM Gilani to sign the extension order?
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Nov 05, 2012 08:18pm
Eloquently put by Mr. Kayani. Those last two questions are to the point. Pathetic conspiracy theories and allegations against the armed forces of Pakistan will and have done no good for the rule of law, democracy and the institutions in this nation. Kudos to those that keep speaking the truth with facts.
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Nov 05, 2012 01:55pm
How true that no individual or institition can define national interset. I would ask the great general to look no further than the institution he leads. ARMY. Its the few general that head this institution that have throughout history taken upon themselves to define whats national interest . Failed policies adopted by these generals have landed pakistan in worst state of affairs. Till this day army as institution contiues to interfere in what is clearly defined in our constitution as duties of democraticaly elected civilian goverment. When it comes time to take blame for failed policies civilans are made the scape goat. Its time the armed forces of pakistan took a hard look at themselves.
People of pakistan are the legitimate ruler of pakistan not the pakistan army.
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Nov 05, 2012 03:04pm
He is right, of course. He is a realist.
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Nov 05, 2012 04:34pm
Long story short... let the system be as it is now
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Nov 05, 2012 08:47pm
I Love this statement. After a long time I have read something that shows a true Pakistani and a leader that has courage and zeal to say what is required of every body. Be patient and think before we say anything. every thing has to be in the larger interest of the country. A true message of an established leader. Pakistan Zindabad. Pakistan Armed forces Zindabad.
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Nov 05, 2012 03:36pm
No individual or institution alone can decide national interest unless army is there,too.
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Nov 05, 2012 02:57pm
is this statement directed towards the judiciary or executive?
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Nov 05, 2012 02:32pm
The major problem that is causing the mayhem in all the political, security and defence institutions is the lack of verifiable accountability. Unless this problem is tackled, the lawlessness will continue to be decisive everywhere.
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Nov 05, 2012 01:13pm
Well said. Individuals should forget about wanting to go down in history as being responsible for saving Pakistan. There cannot be a single saviour of Pakistan. We all need to, and will Inshallah, save it collectively.
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Nov 05, 2012 03:00pm
Well articulated and a very balanced and sensible analysis. Hope people who matter will take note and stop making efforts to raise a storm in a tea cup, every now and then.
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Nov 05, 2012 04:03pm
Army Chief''s statement issued by ISPR is very meaningful and a piece of advice to all who are overdoing in their actions. Well done!
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Nov 05, 2012 04:04pm
I agree 100% No one person or institute alone can decide what is the national interest of the country, it should be a consented decision. A very mature and realistic comment by General Kayani.
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Nov 05, 2012 10:01pm
Both; Military Chief and Chief of Supreme Court are highly respectable and precious and Pakistani nation is proud of ARMY. We noted their verdict and fully stand to it.
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Nov 05, 2012 03:49pm
zardari and ppp pay attention.
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Nov 05, 2012 01:57pm
crazy statement... if pub;ic are naive to say attack teh drones and strike it down.. it doesnt mean govt shud do it..... national interest cannot be determined by teh public as they dont have full facts or vision in front of them
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Nov 05, 2012 08:08pm
Supreme Court is the final authority of the country and Gen. Kiyani statement is nothing but contempt of court. I wonder, what would happen to Army chief of a demcracy like India or US would have commented against their SC. But, anything can happen in land of the pure.
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Nov 05, 2012 05:50pm
Whatever the posturing of army high ups, army should always be subservient to civilan authority.
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Nov 05, 2012 07:37pm
A strong statement like this by the Army Chief has been long overdue.I wonder why it took so long.I believe the rumour-mongering and bad-mouthing about army leadership will now be stopped. Hopefully.the unduly agressive CJ will get the message and stop meddling in matters,which are beyond his jurisdiction.
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Nov 06, 2012 09:50am
Gen Kayani would be well advised to ensure the entire defence forces submit to being secondary to a democratically govt first. He and his generals need to give up the belief they run foreign affairs and so on, immediately.
Needs to reduce conflict with the elected govt and to stop ISI from undermining the govt and future planned elections.
But, will he or generals' bother? They wish to be THE arbiters and not allow executive or judiciary to do their jobs.....
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Nov 06, 2012 08:56am
whats important is that he is distinguishing between the actions of Individuals and Instituitions.
Basically, he is saying punish the Individual for their sins but do not target the Instituition whether it is the Military, Judiciary, Excecutive, Parliament etc....
This is a good thing as for the first time, respect from Army has been granted to other Instituitions in particular the Political Instituitions!
Another interesting thing is the distinction between Past v Present...
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Nov 06, 2012 06:29am
I don't think it hints anything towards judiciary. Army and Judiciary are the two functionaries that seems to be on track, even in most difficult times. The only other functionary Political Establishment, (President House and Ministerial Cabinet) is leaving no stone unturned to initiate a clash between the other two, in its own vested interest. They are the only people who have done nothing except loot and corruption and destroying the state fabric and management infrastructure to suite them. They display a picture that once voted in power they are empowered to do everything that best suits them (not those who empowered them), They were brought in power by vested US interest and they stay obliged to serve them, and they fulfill this obligation with extreme sincerity.
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Nov 06, 2012 05:24am
A cautious note for judiciary?Here comes army again.
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Nov 05, 2012 08:03pm
Kayani's statement shows that Military still runs the show in Pakistan!
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Nov 06, 2012 03:41am
As I see it, civilian government and Parliament are the entities to define national interest. It is their decision to ask for input or entertain the input of stake holders (like military, media, etc.). It is sad and unfortunate if some other definition of national interest exists. Also, link of military to people is only through elected representatives of the people. No institution is supposed to work in conflict with another institution. As COAS has said healthy contributions and criticism within Constitutional boundaries from all concerned are okay. If the institution of Parliament is weak, it is a loss to the State. It is the responsibility of all Pakistanis (individuals and institutions) to make institutions strong, especially the Parliament. The country will be strong only if the institutions are strong. No President, PM, COAS, CJ, etc. is supposed to behave like a monarch. All are working under a framework and system given by the Constitution. Any claims like 'we make the Constitution' or 'we interpret it' are absurd and motivated by personal ego. All individuals and institutions are temporary and mere slaves to the Constitution and the system. Please CJ and Government, stop this power struggle in the interest of the State.
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Nov 06, 2012 03:22am
Someone should tell Gen Kayani that the parliament decides about national interest as it represents the collective will of the people. And also that the armed forces are not elected by the people. It functions under the federal government.
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Nov 06, 2012 03:10am
The institution that single-handedly manipulated national interests for 60 years now tells the Supreme court that no single institution must be allowed to decide the national interests. I wonder what will happen to all the profit the military institution makes from its complete control of 160 private corporations in the nation.
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Nov 06, 2012 03:08am
As per which law when a general retired from army he worth 200-300 million rupees. In the name of national interest the nationa has been fooled for 65 years no more now
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Nov 06, 2012 02:32am
"No individual or institution has the monopoly to decide what is right or wrong in defining the ultimate national interest" - accept army?
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Nov 06, 2012 02:29am
I think this is the man Pakistanis should fear the most. Remember this speech when he dissolves the civilian government and declares marshal law.
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Nov 06, 2012 01:35am
Can't help but agree with COAS, he is the most sensible army chief we've had in the recent past
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Nov 06, 2012 12:35am
and now kiyani wakes up from his deep slumber
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Nov 06, 2012 12:26am
There you go. Army is warning the civil government that "Beware" we are there. This clearly means Zardari and team can not take decision without consulting Army. There goes democracy for a toss!!
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Nov 06, 2012 12:20am
Very reasonable !In a democracy three institutions are paramount - the executive,judiciary and the Parliament.The army has to report to the Executive .So Army cannot have its own agenda/views ?
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Nov 05, 2012 01:42pm
Well said...
Please dont occupy Pakistan again and Army in future should not decide about Pakistan future Alone again ..
we love our army ..unitedly we can fight our enemies..
Pakistan Zindabad.
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Nov 06, 2012 12:08am
Is it a threat to the Supreme Court?
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Nov 05, 2012 11:53pm
india has a army. pakistani army has a nation.
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Nov 06, 2012 03:58pm
Pakistan army has ruined this country for 30 years and non of that was done individually. Whole army leaderships were behind each and every coup and dictatorship. They still pressurize the governments and try to make people scared of a possible coup. They still dictate the terms to the government. And then the army chief has no right to give these statements, if neccessary, it should have gone through the defence ministry. While he wants the media to avoid commenting about the generals who are accused but not yet convicted, he doesn't like the corrupt generals be investigated and prosecuted. This statement shows their power and this must be finished.
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Nov 05, 2012 11:40pm
So why does one particular institution keeps usurping power at gun point so very frequently? Perhaps, this does not apply to that institution.
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Nov 05, 2012 11:28pm
Tell me when was the last time when Pakistan was not going through critical phase?
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Nov 06, 2012 04:06pm
such clear statement .. why the hell media took it as clash of institutions ..
Long live pakistan .. long live pakistan army !!
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Nov 05, 2012 04:48pm
Very well said because it appears that in Pakistan politicians are not geared to serve national interest, even though they talk about democracy but they don't understand its demands. Defense and Judiciary are the two most important pillars of democracy which must be reinforced by honest political leadership, but this reinforcement is missing causing all the upheaval in society. If politicians become honest with national unity and integrity being the first priority then everything will fall in place and will also take care of corrupt elements in the administration automatically.
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Nov 05, 2012 10:23pm
Is he defending extra-judicial killings? is he defending military intervention in civilian affairs? Does he want the army to be above the law?
What is he talking about?
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Nov 05, 2012 05:43pm
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Nov 05, 2012 05:53pm
Very good statement.....that is the difference between thinking like a polished leader and present politicians who are all bent upon creating a wedge between institutions through vested media....
Ed
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Nov 05, 2012 05:08pm
Was there any consensus among the army and the people of Pakistan when an elected government was overthrown by the army, if not then why the army is talking about consensus when it comes to an action against Taliban .
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Nov 05, 2012 06:24pm
I totally agree to the Chief of Army Staff of Pakistan!!
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Nov 05, 2012 06:26pm
Bravo sir , a very Bold statement , Kindly Walk the Talk too as we had many wise people giving us sermons of the highest order But Never bothered to act on what they preached so loudly , So in my humble opinion , take one step further than what you are candidly credited for ( the restoration of the highest judiciary after the reckless mistakes of the past i.e your predecessor's Nov 3rd 2007 act) and help the struggling SCP to Implement the Rule of law and Constitutionalism .... Please read understand and propagate the Goodness outlined by the head of the SCP i.e hor CJP , today .
in my humble opinion , he is saying the same thing like yourself so help him so May God help you to help this poor nation out of the past 55+ years of misery , your own very institution has bestowed upon it. its good at least , you have diagnosed the malice of this poor nation , same as CJP has done it in his 5 questions he posed and then also answered in a Affirmative NO to all . Who Knows ( except Almighty in heavens ) this poor rotten lawless nation is eventually Today seeing the right message from the Two institutional heads who can make it work the right way , its never too late even if its 55+ years later
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Nov 05, 2012 02:48pm
A classic example of a wishy washy sort of statement that is neither on this side or the other.Which leaves your nation's problems regarding the terror problem " on the washing line"
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Nov 05, 2012 06:36pm
I am not a big fan of Pakistan Army as it unduly involved in the past in the civil affairs of the nation diverted her from the success and prosperity. Politics and Army cannot go together as one corrupts the other or both. But I do agree with General Kayani that no one individual or institution can alone build the nation. The biggest threat for the country is the religious fanatics who are trying to shove their ideas in the throat of the nation and stiffling the progress in all facets of the society. This must be addressed. Terrorist and the fanatics are the twin brothers and one depend on the other. Any country will survive from the external threats, but it is hard to survive when the threat is internal. Army should remain Army.
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Nov 05, 2012 01:50pm
Can any one explain in what context the army chief is giving such statements?
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Nov 05, 2012 02:39pm
Very well said and I do hope that the armed forces are going through the kind of soul searching that this message implies. The politicians should do the same. But then what is the strategy moving forward? Such statements are temporary patch ups to quell dissent and perceived resentment among people, there should be more from all institutions to prove that they are positively moving forward. I don't see that anywhere.
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Nov 05, 2012 02:23pm
the army must open its books for public scrutiny for starters.........
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Nov 05, 2012 01:59pm
The Military should let the civilian govt do the the job assigned to it by the constitution. This will help resolve many problems.
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Nov 05, 2012 07:11pm
The army chief is making statements like a political leader, which he is not. The political leaders are almost non-existant in Pakistan. I don't understand which institutions Kayani is talking about; there are no institutions in Pakistan. They are sort of corruption warehouses, which one may call institutions. The only institution still existing and functioning in Pakistan is the Supreme Court. I pray that Iftikhar Choudry has a long active life.
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Nov 05, 2012 02:17pm
Well thought and compiled statement..!
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Nov 05, 2012 05:02pm
Well, who is the judge of what constitutes constructive criticism and what constitutes conspiracy theory? Let me guess, it is the military!
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Nov 05, 2012 02:56pm
I think this is the only positive statement ive heard from any leader in Pakistan in a few years
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Nov 05, 2012 07:23pm
These are warning shots towards those who want to enter No Go Area. This is official through ISPR. A week before Islamabad High Court also issued warning in favor of brother judges ...... so right now only Politicians are in the firing range of our courts. So who are accountable of previous deeds, only politicians excluding judges and personnel no matter in uniform or retired?
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Nov 05, 2012 01:10pm
We Pakistanis are forever living in a defining phase because we never learn from the previous phases. The public have been fooled time and again with terms like "consensus", "larger national interest" etc. And the statements like
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Nov 05, 2012 02:25pm
general you are absolutely right first unity,faith & discipline disappeared from units and regiments and then from the nation,intelligences still lacks unity and coordination,for all other departments these Quaid's words are Greek
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Nov 05, 2012 04:13pm
Who is he targeting? Is it judiciary the subject of these oblique and rather vague remarks? One would wish that gen. Kayani would have come frank and candid on who he was addressing in the first place. Moreover, the timing of the statement is also somewhat perplexing.
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Nov 05, 2012 04:30pm
Its good to hear that General Sahb and his fellows "now" believe that
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Nov 05, 2012 03:40pm
Well said everything.please identify the corrupt ones and punish them immediately so that no one think doing the same in future. Institutions will have more respect if they develop cleansing mechanism as permanent process withing their respective system even before others point fingers on instituation.
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Nov 05, 2012 02:36pm
Which constitution is the General speaking of? Can we have one concept clear; a Constitution is very different from a party's election manifesto. It must not be allowed to be changed every half a dozen years or so. Pakistan has never had the concept of a 'Constitution' clear. Alas! if Pakistan had stuck with the vision of the 'Quaid-e-azam' we would have had a very different South Asia (or even the World) today!
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Nov 05, 2012 01:29pm
I agree with General Kayani only in so far as the Army is responsible for defending our physical boundaries (meaning borders). They should not, in any way, interfere in the political and civilian governance of the country. The army is only a subordinate institution under the political governance. They need to take the orders from the President and the civilian Executive not the other way around.
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Nov 05, 2012 09:47pm
So who is going to decide it then?KARACHI is already safe heaven for criminals and terrorists now.
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Nov 05, 2012 07:13pm
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Nov 05, 2012 07:15pm
Very well said General.
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Nov 05, 2012 03:19pm
Pak Armed Forces have given more blood and sacifices than any instution in Pakistan. Its the enmeny who wants weaken millitary establishment and ISI to damage Pakistan.It is damn easy of our corrupt leaders to blame everything on the Armed forces make people think their the real saviours of Pakistan.The Nujes and Allah have saved Pakistan otherwise with larger enemy India and Afghanistan,Pakistan would be a history.Mushraff was right in saying that enemy was weaken ISI and Armed forces.I will happy if a honest General takes over and have a honest and fair election and ban all the leaders who are using politics to loot the poor.
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Nov 05, 2012 07:26pm
it is a very important statement from the most important personality in pakistan. this argument can be extended that is can be a warning to someone or some institution. but if it is right, then, unluckily, it means we are heading towards mighty institutional clash.
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Nov 05, 2012 01:59pm
Appreciate this statement by Gen Kiyani. Wish most army officers thought like this.
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Nov 05, 2012 05:06pm
Sir, please eloborate who are you point towards????
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Nov 05, 2012 03:21pm
your every word is well versed and very true...I think we are already in consensus with these statement....
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Nov 05, 2012 10:05pm
What is the retirement date of General Kayani? Does he intend to get another extention or does he feel that he has played his innings well; so it is high time for him to return back to the pavilion?
Let the one waiting in the wings have his chance to command Pak Army.
An army officer can never be applauded when he issues political statements. Only those individuals, groups or parties can appreciate who have no public support or following. They need military props and stilts to come to power. This and only this defines the "National Interest".
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Nov 05, 2012 03:19pm
a very mature statement meant for the hacks who know no better .
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Nov 05, 2012 02:04pm
Army is a servant of the Parliament. The Parliament is supreme. Atleast in all civilized states of the world. Pakistanis need to decide about themselves as to where they lie. And the question begs itself, what has Pakistan achieved under Army supremacy in last 60 years?
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Nov 05, 2012 01:15pm
Gen Kiyani is th most sane voice in Pakistan today. I truly hope that politicians will now do their job.
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Nov 05, 2012 09:57pm
Please, don't lashes the poor people. Tell the people you are among the people not ruling the people.
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Nov 05, 2012 03:55pm
My only answer is i have a great regard for the army for sacrificing their lives for the country but we want a Turkish style government where army is under the control of civilian government. The generals have so much power that they forget their professionalism and indulge in unfair practices . Grabbing land, building palaces and after they retire despite having no knowledge and experience are made CEO s of wapda, and other major organisations. There yet again they loot the country and further destroy those organisations. Those organisations should be run by highly educated and experienced business professionals . Once an office retires that should be the end of his career. Also I want to mention one thing here keeping in view the bad law n order situation Pakistan Army will have to conquer the whole country starting from Karachi and frontier at the same time and also sealing the borders with Afghanistan by digging a canal or something. Just like wild wild west in America took a long time to bring peace . Baluchistan border should be sealed with either Iran or Afghanistan as these country have destroyed our peace. Iran is spreading religious division and Afghan militants insurgency.
By the way do not forget to kick every single Afghani out of Pakistan. Long Live Pakistan Amen.
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Nov 05, 2012 03:19pm
Bravo, general! You have hit the nail. Can you, some how ask the concerned agencies to block the funding to those TV channels who are hell bent on promoting foriegn agenda.
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Nov 05, 2012 07:47pm
Agree but wish we had asked same questions when Musharraf was ruining everything without any mandate. I wish Generals at that time had given same lecture to him rather than allowing him to make one man decisions and gather all selfish politicians around him. In Sindh, we all suffered because he imposed Arbab Rahim. This will not stop until we do accountability of everyone starting from Musharraf
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Nov 05, 2012 04:23pm
Could it be that it's the interference of the armed forces in Pakistan's civilian institutions that is distancing the people from it?
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Nov 05, 2012 08:30pm
Well said General. Wish our civil leadership had a similar approach and vision.
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