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	<title>Comments on: Netherlands thrash Pakistan in Champions Trophy semi-final</title>
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		<title>By: haseeb</title>
		<link>http://dawn.com/2012/12/08/pakistan-netherlands-champions-trophy-semi-final-hocke/comment-page-1/#comment-497992</link>
		<dc:creator><![CDATA[haseeb]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 09 Dec 2012 19:44:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[i totally agree....we never give coverage or support to our own boys/girls. rather our media insists upon unnecessary stories about foreign players/actors/actresses who probably not even majority of our people know about.
despite little support they are coming back and hopefully will be at the same level they used to be before.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>i totally agree&#8230;.we never give coverage or support to our own boys/girls. rather our media insists upon unnecessary stories about foreign players/actors/actresses who probably not even majority of our people know about.<br />
despite little support they are coming back and hopefully will be at the same level they used to be before.</p>
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		<title>By: TruthBeTold</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 17:08:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I watched this match live and the game was closer than the final score makes appear. There were plenty of Chances in an end to end game that really brought back appreciation for the game of Hockey.  A team that once again doesn&#039;t get the coverage, respect, funding, or facilities to be Elite still took down Gold Medal winning Germany and are off to try and win a Medal.  

I am tired of the defeatist Pakistani &quot;Fans&quot; that can not Cheer the team when they perform or support them to help them continue to perform. You trash your talent when they&#039;re down and do nothing to help them get back up. DESPITE such a poor following and support from home the boys still go out and perform. 

There was no Humiliation in losing to one of the best teams in International Hockey, they were the better team. There&#039;s also no shame in losing the Bronze Medal game if that happens. When india couldn&#039;t compete they pulled out of the Trophy for YEARS, Pakistan has been right there on the cusp look no further back than 2004. 

Pakistan has worked its way back to being relevance in Hockey with a top finish &amp; regardless of what you so called Pakistani &quot;Fans&quot; think your team actually put up a fight. Look at the Goals Against, not counting the Semi Final Defeat.  They played hard even in a match they were losing, they didn&#039;t stop fighting.

Oh and GOOD GOD people they lost in the SEMI FINALS - most of you didn&#039;t even talk about them playing in the Trophy before they made it to the Semis.  

and Dawn? no coverage of any of Pakistan&#039;s sports teams rather than when they lose. 

No back stories, no thrilling inside stories from the team, nothing to PROMOTE them or the players. 

This is what&#039;s wrong with Pakistan - it&#039;s own people are too blind to care

Pakistan or it&#039;s teams aren&#039;t the problem its you sad pathetic excuses for FANS that are the reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I watched this match live and the game was closer than the final score makes appear. There were plenty of Chances in an end to end game that really brought back appreciation for the game of Hockey.  A team that once again doesn&#8217;t get the coverage, respect, funding, or facilities to be Elite still took down Gold Medal winning Germany and are off to try and win a Medal.  </p>
<p>I am tired of the defeatist Pakistani &#8220;Fans&#8221; that can not Cheer the team when they perform or support them to help them continue to perform. You trash your talent when they&#8217;re down and do nothing to help them get back up. DESPITE such a poor following and support from home the boys still go out and perform. </p>
<p>There was no Humiliation in losing to one of the best teams in International Hockey, they were the better team. There&#8217;s also no shame in losing the Bronze Medal game if that happens. When india couldn&#8217;t compete they pulled out of the Trophy for YEARS, Pakistan has been right there on the cusp look no further back than 2004. </p>
<p>Pakistan has worked its way back to being relevance in Hockey with a top finish &amp; regardless of what you so called Pakistani &#8220;Fans&#8221; think your team actually put up a fight. Look at the Goals Against, not counting the Semi Final Defeat.  They played hard even in a match they were losing, they didn&#8217;t stop fighting.</p>
<p>Oh and GOOD GOD people they lost in the SEMI FINALS &#8211; most of you didn&#8217;t even talk about them playing in the Trophy before they made it to the Semis.  </p>
<p>and Dawn? no coverage of any of Pakistan&#8217;s sports teams rather than when they lose. </p>
<p>No back stories, no thrilling inside stories from the team, nothing to PROMOTE them or the players. </p>
<p>This is what&#8217;s wrong with Pakistan &#8211; it&#8217;s own people are too blind to care</p>
<p>Pakistan or it&#8217;s teams aren&#8217;t the problem its you sad pathetic excuses for FANS that are the reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Asif Ali Khan. Toronto. Canada</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Asif Ali Khan. Toronto. Canada]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 14:47:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Win or lose is part of the game. I am happy to see the over all improvement in the game of Pakistan eleven. I am hopefull the hockey team will do much better in future Insh&#039;Allah.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Win or lose is part of the game. I am happy to see the over all improvement in the game of Pakistan eleven. I am hopefull the hockey team will do much better in future Insh&#8217;Allah.</p>
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		<title>By: himidik</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[himidik]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 14:04:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[ALL OVER FOR TROPHY - PAKISTAN BETTER WIN THIRD PLACE INSTEAD RETURNING EMPTY HANDED.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ALL OVER FOR TROPHY &#8211; PAKISTAN BETTER WIN THIRD PLACE INSTEAD RETURNING EMPTY HANDED.</p>
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		<title>By: Assad</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Assad]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 13:46:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The reason Pakistan got thrashed by Holland is because we got by the Germans on pure luck.  That win put false confidence in the team when the reality is that Pakistani team is no longer equal to the Western teams in terms of its fitness and ability to maintain the standard of the game at the level its being played at now.  We are still stuck in our ways of playing Hockey &quot;Asian&quot; style when speed, strength and fitness are everything now.  The Pakistan team needs to go back to the basics of how the new field hockey is being played which is that we need to have Hockey training academies which not only focus on stick skills, but also nutrition, physical conditioning and endurance of up and coming players.  While its heartening that Pakistan still make it to the top to play with the leading teams, the results of the past 10 years are a clear indication that we are no longer able to compete with them well.  Thus the massively one sided thrashing at their hands has become a common occurrence.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The reason Pakistan got thrashed by Holland is because we got by the Germans on pure luck.  That win put false confidence in the team when the reality is that Pakistani team is no longer equal to the Western teams in terms of its fitness and ability to maintain the standard of the game at the level its being played at now.  We are still stuck in our ways of playing Hockey &#8220;Asian&#8221; style when speed, strength and fitness are everything now.  The Pakistan team needs to go back to the basics of how the new field hockey is being played which is that we need to have Hockey training academies which not only focus on stick skills, but also nutrition, physical conditioning and endurance of up and coming players.  While its heartening that Pakistan still make it to the top to play with the leading teams, the results of the past 10 years are a clear indication that we are no longer able to compete with them well.  Thus the massively one sided thrashing at their hands has become a common occurrence.</p>
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		<title>By: Anwar Qureshi</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Anwar Qureshi]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 08:59:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Because everyone from top to bottom are minting money, so everyone is taking their chance to make money. Come back home with Bronze if possible, or don&#039;t worry nobody will question. You will continue to get your contractual salaries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Because everyone from top to bottom are minting money, so everyone is taking their chance to make money. Come back home with Bronze if possible, or don&#8217;t worry nobody will question. You will continue to get your contractual salaries.</p>
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		<title>By: Ali Vaqar Awan</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Ali Vaqar Awan]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 06:12:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Its sad to see Pakistan getting thrashed by Netherland. Any how win and loss are the part of the game. Pakistan should have put up the better show. It seemed oppositie. The reason for defeat was wasting lots of chance to score field goals and scoring goals on penelty corners. More over ability to keep possesion was also the reason contributing to defeat. Salman Akbar and Rehan Butt should have been played along with Sohail Abbass, and this would have made great difference. As our federation has been unable to found suitable replacment for these experienced. It was fatal mistake to replace them. Honestly speaking our hockey federation needs to be overhauled and have those people that have understanding about hockey and willing to contribute. Netherland never gets boged down regardless who they are playing with. They plays have proper plan and purpose. Reaching Semi-final itself was big achievement. Pakistan should get focused and play thier best hockey for bronze medal match.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Its sad to see Pakistan getting thrashed by Netherland. Any how win and loss are the part of the game. Pakistan should have put up the better show. It seemed oppositie. The reason for defeat was wasting lots of chance to score field goals and scoring goals on penelty corners. More over ability to keep possesion was also the reason contributing to defeat. Salman Akbar and Rehan Butt should have been played along with Sohail Abbass, and this would have made great difference. As our federation has been unable to found suitable replacment for these experienced. It was fatal mistake to replace them. Honestly speaking our hockey federation needs to be overhauled and have those people that have understanding about hockey and willing to contribute. Netherland never gets boged down regardless who they are playing with. They plays have proper plan and purpose. Reaching Semi-final itself was big achievement. Pakistan should get focused and play thier best hockey for bronze medal match.</p>
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		<title>By: Abdullah Hussain</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Abdullah Hussain]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 05:21:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Come back home boys, you have troubled yourself enough. I don&#039;t understand why Qasim Zia is sticking to his chair?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Come back home boys, you have troubled yourself enough. I don&#8217;t understand why Qasim Zia is sticking to his chair?</p>
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		<title>By: Suresh Singh</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Suresh Singh]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 05:19:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[This is unfortunate. Classical Asian hockey continue to loose its charm.

There is difference between &quot;play to enjoy&quot; and &quot;play to win&quot;. Though it is true that even the former ends up with a desire to win, but in between this desire to enjoy and win at individual level, players miss a number of things could make his team win: And that is what makes a team to huddle and to work as a team that make win possible.. 

This is probably the difference between Asian style of Hockey, and the European. European teams&#039; focus remains on &quot;win&quot; and then role of players are allocated based on their capacity to contribute in this win. In case of Asian Hockey (India/Pakistan),  the case is opposite: The concept of win flows from the concept of individual contribution.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is unfortunate. Classical Asian hockey continue to loose its charm.</p>
<p>There is difference between &#8220;play to enjoy&#8221; and &#8220;play to win&#8221;. Though it is true that even the former ends up with a desire to win, but in between this desire to enjoy and win at individual level, players miss a number of things could make his team win: And that is what makes a team to huddle and to work as a team that make win possible.. </p>
<p>This is probably the difference between Asian style of Hockey, and the European. European teams&#8217; focus remains on &#8220;win&#8221; and then role of players are allocated based on their capacity to contribute in this win. In case of Asian Hockey (India/Pakistan),  the case is opposite: The concept of win flows from the concept of individual contribution.</p>
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		<title>By: Tam</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Tam]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Dec 2012 05:13:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It nicely sets up the historic Pak vs India 3rd place play off!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It nicely sets up the historic Pak vs India 3rd place play off!</p>
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