Pakistani jets garner interest at Dubai air show
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DUBAI: Chief of the Air Staff, Pakistan Air Force (PAF) ,Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman said on Sunday that Pakistan has achieved remarkable successes in its war against terror despite limited resources and is being viewed as a role model in this regard.
Speaking to media at the inauguration ceremony of Dubai Air Show in United Arab Emirates (UAE), the PAF chief said that the successful conduct of the anti terrorist operations have improved the law and order situation in the country paving way for economic progress.
The Air Chief said that the participation of Pakistan Air Force in this Air Show is a matter of great pride for us and many countries in general and Islamic countries in particular have shown interest in the JF-17 Thunder aircraft.
Later on he also visited various stalls at the show and met with high ranking officials of the air forces of various countries including Air Vice Marshal, Ibrahim Nasser Mohammad Al Alawi, Commander UAE Air Force and Air Defence.
Federal Minister for Defence Khawaja Muhammad Asif and Minister for Defence Production Rana Tanveer Hussain, were also present at the occasion.
According to PAF Spokesman, Super Mushshak aircraft of Pakistan Air Force has been put up for static as well as aerial display in the Air Show.
The Dubai Air Show was inaugurated by Sheikh Mohammad bin Rashid Al-Maktoum, Ruler of Dubai and Prime Minister of UAE.
A large number of delegations from different countries including Air Chiefs of a number of Air Forces are participating in the event.
The Pakistan Pavilion in the event is set up by Pakistan Aeronautical Complex, Kamra.
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Nov 09, 2015 02:22pm
Well done , Pakistan . It's really a proud moment . May JF-17 soar higher !!!!! Amen
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Nov 09, 2015 02:23pm
Wonderful !
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Nov 09, 2015 02:26pm
Heavy Bird.
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Nov 09, 2015 02:29pm
Wish Pakistan. All the best. Inshala
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Nov 09, 2015 02:29pm
When we see the defense side of the story of Pakistan, it gives us immense pleasure and makes us feel proud. But always feel very concerned when the politicians ruin the economy of Pakistan with corruption. When and how we can fee proud and happy with the achievement of politicians?
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Nov 09, 2015 02:30pm
JF-17 Thunder aircraft is a world class fighter aircraft... equipped with latest active electronically scanned array (AESA) technology... beyond-visual-range missile (BVR) an air-to-air missile (BVRAAM) that is capable of engaging at ranges of 20 nmi (37 km) or beyond... makes it a lethal combination... a must have affordable piece of scientific miracle...
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Nov 09, 2015 02:32pm
with such little resources, pakistani engineers have build a jet with xolaborayion of china. well done
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Nov 09, 2015 02:34pm
This is what we like to see Pakistan.. Come n compete with us with good stuff like this.. Honestly, I didn't know pakistan is the production house for these jets. kudos...best of luck
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Nov 09, 2015 02:35pm
It is my request to the Pakistan Airforce to include Pakistani Civilian Research Companies and Universities in the Research and Development. America and Europe follow this model. At present Civilians are kept far behind from Management positions and also no University is ever given any project of Research. For the Fifth generation fighter program development these aspects must be given a due consideration. The foundations of Lockheed, Boeing, Mcdonald douglas etc were laid by Civilians and Defense ministry gave them enough funding to develop the amazing machines that we see today. Developing an atmosphere of mistrust where Civilians are considered less-patriotic must come to an end.
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Nov 09, 2015 02:36pm
Good job.
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Nov 09, 2015 02:38pm
thut would shut many mouths uttering bad words about the fighter jet.
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Nov 09, 2015 02:38pm
The same plane has been on display and demonstrated on previous Air Shows in Dubai, Farnborough, Paris etc.. since 2010.
Many countries have 'shown interest in buying these planes' in the past, and yet, not a single delivery or an order tells you how successful it has been in competing with other fighter jet manufacturers from around the world!
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Nov 09, 2015 02:44pm
reward of hard work, well done Pakistan
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Nov 09, 2015 02:52pm
No matter how patriotic or happy i am, it wont change the reality, we have been hearing about the potential customers since last few years, but million dollar question is where are they. I am sorry but sooner or later we have to take it as a pinch of salt as PAF is not a marketing company, we need professionals here.
PAF asusual failed misreably once again and they would be in future if they keep on commiting the same mistake, let it leave to the experts and you do what you are expert at i.e., called demo.
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Nov 09, 2015 02:54pm
'Interest' is not the same thing as a signed contract.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:04pm
we need the will and vigour as we put in practice in developing nuclear weaponry and now are amongst the leaders in Reaseach and development to develop our own jet engines
Once we achieve air supremacy through self sufficiency that is the final chapter in economic trajectory and become a world powerhouse
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Nov 09, 2015 03:07pm
@Nav I do not agree with you as PAF has signed multiple deals on the trainer aircrafts in the past with countries like KSA, Brunei etc.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:12pm
@Skeptic Many companies are displaying their same planes for last 15 years, it is not cake that can be garnished differently each year. From Paris airshow one order was received. What other complains you have?
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Nov 09, 2015 03:13pm
@Mahmood chill out man - take it easy.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:16pm
Great going Pakistan Air force.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:17pm
@Mahmood we are not talking about potatos that you would buy strait away. It's a fighter jet worth millions of dollars.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:20pm
Pakistan present is vital here in UAE
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Nov 09, 2015 03:20pm
@Nav The reason is that European and American Aerospace companies have dedicated Marketing specialists and they are MBAs with aero-space and electrical engineering background. On the other hand in Pakistan only the Serving Army Officer or a high ranked GD pilot with no expertise in Marketing is usually tasked with selling this aircraft.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:21pm
@Nav
In case you have missed the news, JF-17 has already won an export order which was announced during Paris Airshow earlier this year.
Please understand that defence export is highly competitive and defence giants have established their hold on such deals. They have highly paid marketing teams, lots of money to bribe officials and support of their heavyweight governments. Pakistan is very small player trying to fish in the pool of these alligators. It can never be easy.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:22pm
@Aviv Arya "Honestly, I didn't know pakistan is the production house for these jets." You need to read Times of India a lot less.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:23pm
What Rana and Khwaja are doing there?
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Nov 09, 2015 03:24pm
@Nav there are many deals being done which people don't even come to know. Not knowing anything does not mean it's not heppening.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:30pm
@Haroon
You are very right. Foundation of research is always laid in Universities. In fact a nation's fate in science and technology depends on how good the universities are.
As far as I know, National University of Science and Technology (NUST) and defence production are already working together on numerous projects. Many civillian engineers and scientists are working in AWC, POF, CAE and other such establishments where development work takes place on defence products. Actually GIDS (Global Integrated Defence Solutions) is almost entirely made up of civillian professionals.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:32pm
Very correct Chief Sb....
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Nov 09, 2015 03:39pm
Isnt this the same news we heard 2 years back. Interest should move to contract. otherwise no point spending money.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:41pm
Good job Pakistan. If these are good, India should look forward to acquire these from Pakistan. Only trade and commerce will remove this mutual mistrust .India may not get UNSC permanent seat support from world powers. But in the longer run, we will prosper.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:41pm
But the fact remains that it is not the Airforce job or mandate to sell aircraft. Its for their own use to safeguard the airspace of Pakistan.
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Nov 09, 2015 03:47pm
@Mahmood Obviously you are confusing retail buying with purchasing expensive aircraft.
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Nov 09, 2015 04:08pm
Yaar as long as the parachute works then the fighter plane is fine.
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Nov 09, 2015 04:08pm
Who don't want a developing, progress oriented country as a neighbor. We support Pakistan's journey towards positive direction.
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Nov 09, 2015 04:10pm
@Factual This research is almost negligible if we compare it with the developed world. Also we all know that who is calling the shots in NUST. UETs and Private universities are kept away from such projects. Moreover you are right that in AWC, POF, CAE etc the civilian engineers are working, but the doors of promotion or reaching the top spot is only reserved for the Military officers. This type of environment begets favoritism rather than any competition.
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Nov 09, 2015 04:12pm
@Haroon Pakistani Universities need to adopt research and create research parks attached to universities.
at present National Defence University and NUST are heavily involved with Defecence production.
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Nov 09, 2015 04:36pm
Nuclear weapons, numerous missiles, Al-Khalid tank, variety of arms and ammunition for export, drones, JF17 and trainer aircraft are a feather in the caps of our arm forces that makes the nation proud. What has the democracy given us? Loot, plunder, daily scandals, injustice, nepotism, subjugation and corrupting of police and bureaucracy, and a national culture which has done away with with even a trace of ethics, morals and respect of law.
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Nov 09, 2015 04:41pm
Congratulations PAF!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Nov 09, 2015 04:43pm
@Factual like the water powered car which was endorsed bu NUST scientists.
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Nov 09, 2015 04:45pm
@Haroon you are wrong, POF and HMC, HIT all has civilians for marketing purposes, they do have professionals to demonstrate it.
A new entrant like Pakistan in defence export normally has to prove their hardware worth by equipping own armed forces first and showcase it to world
Defence deals are mostly involve a diplomatic efforts, Lockheed, Boeing, Saab, BAE are not purely base their efforts on marketing. These big players dont allow smaller players into the market unless its a negligible or no threat to them at all.
So Pakistan focus on those countries who normally cant afford to buy western hardware.
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Nov 09, 2015 04:48pm
weapons of war always must have kick-backs to be successful. just follow the UK retail model.
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Nov 09, 2015 04:56pm
@Skeptic How many fighter jets india has made and exported? Not even a single! whereas Pakistan has already got an order, its not like a cake that you can bake it within 45 mins, its a fighter plane loaded with different things which takes time..... you should worry about tejas which is under production since decades and still nowhere to be seen ....
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Nov 09, 2015 05:00pm
@Ayesha never
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Nov 09, 2015 05:07pm
any orders? names please.....
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Nov 09, 2015 05:11pm
Good news for Pakistan ability to built JF 17 this is good start.
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Nov 09, 2015 05:13pm
I witnessed the 2011 Dubai Air Show and in the flight demo, our JF-17 was equal to the US F-16 on all parameters. Thousands were a witness to this, friends appreciated and the jealous just walked away. Long live Pakistan
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Nov 09, 2015 05:21pm
A great sign of Pakistan progressing, keep up the good work. Ignore comments from negative people.
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Nov 09, 2015 05:24pm
A company that has built a jet for its defence purposes but yet has to import the 70cc motorbike engines or the 1000cc small car engines from japan, korea etc. Why cannot we manufacture a small car that can fulfil the local demand? Its such a big market but the mafia who have invested billions in importing cars will not allow it to happen. Such a shame. We can build tanks, planes, missiles but not a simple car or even a rickshaw.
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Nov 09, 2015 05:35pm
Showing interest and having a purchase order are two different things.
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Nov 09, 2015 05:48pm
@Mughis Ahmed Then why we are still asking US to deliver old F16
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Nov 09, 2015 05:53pm
@Aviv Arya and these are the kind of remarks we want from our neighbours. Thank you
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Nov 09, 2015 06:01pm
Training plane was a good job should get a lot of sales but the fighter plane unfortunately a nuts and bolts job nothing to get excited about wouldn't stand a chance against new composite faster and more agile fighters it's a good first try a good foundation to build on it may still have a market in some areas so may still get sales
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Nov 09, 2015 06:02pm
Who actually engineered and manufactured this plane please.
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Nov 09, 2015 06:19pm
@Skeptic Sir...the discussion is about aircrafts and not Motorcycles. The production of aircraft is very limited and first few years production will be for induction in PAF fleet. Selling to other countries will take time. Even US or French manufacturers need years to give delivery against purchase orders. When Pakistan had purchased F-16 it took few years to deliver to Pakistan.
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Nov 09, 2015 06:36pm
"Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman said on Sunday that Pakistan has achieved remarkable successes in its war against terror despite limited resources and is being viewed as a role model in this regard." VERY TRUE
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Nov 09, 2015 06:42pm
@Einstein Babar absolutely right, for e.g, airbus a380 havent had any new orders since 2012!
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Nov 09, 2015 06:44pm
Good work PAF, PAC KAMRA! Keep up the hard work, dedication and service to Pakistan. Proud to see these military aircrafts on display with our national flag on it.
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Nov 09, 2015 06:51pm
Great... Pakistan's export of fighter plane is a miracle indeed. Good job. Thums up !!!
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Nov 09, 2015 06:52pm
Pakistan is still not self-sufficient in production of jf-17, it needs to produce enough for itself then may start exporting it.Jf-17 is proud of Pakistan.
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Nov 09, 2015 06:57pm
Allaho Akber!
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Nov 09, 2015 07:07pm
Hats down for Pakistan Army and their Team. They did a Great Job and make Pakistan and Pakistani nation proud globally.
Don't stick with this JF-17 Thunder, Please! With the help of few changes Pakistan Army can try to introduce different versions of JF-17.
like JF-17 Thunder , JK-18 Thunder, JF-19 Thunder etc.
Pakistan Zindabad!
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Nov 09, 2015 07:10pm
@Aviv Arya why should we compete with you as you are a third world country like us, we have to set our goals higher and have to compete with developed nations.
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Nov 09, 2015 07:12pm
Well done shaheens
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Nov 09, 2015 07:17pm
Need to translate it in to orders.
The JF17 is a very good cost effective plane.
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Nov 09, 2015 07:19pm
@Haroon well said Haroon but this will never happen. Unfortunately nations are not built by these secondary achievements. I wish people understand that corruption in politics was forcefully introduced to keep the civilian/entrepreneurial side of nation backward.
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Nov 09, 2015 07:38pm
@Akram epic reply. Two thumbs up!
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Nov 09, 2015 07:39pm
@Aviv Arya We really couldn't care less what Indians want to see in Pakistan. What matters more to us is what Indians *don't* want to see in Pakistan !
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Nov 09, 2015 07:45pm
@Farhan, A very good question.
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Nov 09, 2015 07:55pm
Very good Team Pakistan!
Proud to see JF-17 being planned and constructed in Pakistan. No airplane in the modern era is 100% inhouse. Even Boeing air planes have parts from over 100 countries, including Pakistan.
2nd generation JF-17 is in production and being delivered to PAF and I am looking fwd to the 3rd generation with additional hardpoints and payload.
The final endgame for Pakistan's deterrance is:
ICBM with MIRV and nuclear submaries.
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Nov 09, 2015 07:56pm
We have been hearing about the potential customers since last few years, but million dollar question is where are they. Same plane has been on display and demonstrated on previous Air Shows in Dubai, Paris etc. since 2010. Not a single delivery or an order tells you how successful it has been in competing with other fighter jet manufacturers from around the world!
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Nov 09, 2015 08:18pm
Good news
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Nov 09, 2015 08:19pm
I was at Dubai Airshow today and unfortunately JF17 wasn't part of flying display. Missed you big boy.
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Nov 09, 2015 08:21pm
@azmat its all about priorities! private sector of Pakistan love to just get cheaper way of doing things and making engines for 70CC is not on HMC or PAC list at all ;)
No one is stopping private sector to invest in such ventures which indeed will work as all washing machine makers in Pakistan now making motor bikes there is no brain gone into that at all but pure profit it the key!
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Nov 09, 2015 08:39pm
@Skeptic, atleast FJ-17 Thunder is flying and doing remarkable job by eliminating terrorist/enemy of Pakistan. I'm waiting when Tejas is going to fly, Tejas is failing for last 2 decade.
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Nov 09, 2015 08:48pm
excellent!
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Nov 09, 2015 09:24pm
@Skeptic
Do you something better to offer or is being a skeptic your only qualification ?
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Nov 09, 2015 09:27pm
@Ayesha
Could not agree more. Pakistan is full of resources if only we can end corruption and have a robust planning and tax collection system. Once we have achieved these objectives our economy will flourish and save us from high interest rate loans.
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Nov 09, 2015 09:39pm
@Skeptic
This problem is not unique to Pakistan, every new sellers have taken their time to gain confidence of the buyers. Hopefully if some countries have shown interest Pakistan one day will make its way despite hard competition. At least at this stage we can maintain a supply to our own airforce to replace the ageing planes. An upgrade version of this fighter is under way.
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Nov 09, 2015 09:43pm
Shahbash Pakistan...Zindabad Pakistan...this proves that Pakistanis can meet any challenge in the world...Honest and hard work is the name of the game...
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Nov 09, 2015 09:44pm
Interesting to see how many ignorant people are in this world...
PAF may have struck a deal to 'deliver' its first JF-17 to Burma (Myanmar) in 2017. Even than, anything could happen between now and 2017 - especially in the wake of the elections and new government that will take over soon. And Burma, is by no means a great military power that could make the manufacturer proud!
Incidentally, Burma is also the same country which is expelling and killing Rahengya Muslims. This is tantamount to Pakistan buying jets from Israel, while it kills and occupies the Palestenian land. Real Proud of PAF!!!
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Nov 09, 2015 10:00pm
We'll done Pakistan....
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Nov 09, 2015 10:02pm
@Chuckle!
Do you care what Burma is doing to its citizens? You never cared for Muslims dying out of hunger in other nations.
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Nov 09, 2015 10:06pm
It's amazing that a team of 20 engineers led by an air marshal have managed to developed this amazing jet aircraft.
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Nov 09, 2015 10:20pm
Impressive. Who is buying the planes? This success needs to translated into other ears as well.
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Nov 10, 2015 12:06am
Knowledge is said to be power. Pakistan selling this jet openly is dangerous as foreign powers getting knowledge of this jet means they can understand all the inner workings. We should remember that USA and UK always sell their jets to selected partners and also limited understanding is there for their military hardware. This is not a smart decision
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Nov 10, 2015 12:38am
@Haroon ! Correction please! It is not the civilians who are seen as lesser able or trustworthy. It is the politicians who do nothing other than corruption and spend all the national wealth on themselves and their families. Latest: now they want blue passports for their spouses and children and of course the travel expenses go with it.
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Nov 10, 2015 01:46am
@Aviv Arya
Bhai sahib well said. You have made me teary. I am very happy for an Indian to wish for a neighbouring friend. I wish other people and Indian polititions can show the same heart and sentiments. Thanks so much
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Nov 10, 2015 01:48am
@Nav Its not about marketing, getting into depth its necessary.as some like you say 23rd march parade is waste of money, while its not as thought its necessary to show the power .pro active approach you see.and about PAF its professional to an extent people like you cannot absorb
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Nov 10, 2015 02:21am
@Riaz well said.you have spoken on my behalf, i wonder why in those daily talk show they dont call us like myself and you to sit next to the contractors of so called democracy, wish they do someday, but they wont they know that the educated ones are capable of giving them a sling shot ride round the universe and can shatter them
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Nov 10, 2015 03:43am
end corruption, work hard,you will make PAKISTAN a great country.
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Nov 10, 2015 04:01am
Engine from Russia, body from China and we are getting orders of plane...
Suppose if Russia stop supplying engine, then can we manufacture this plane?
We have to invest a lot in aerodynamics in Pakistan in engineering universities specially government universities because middle class people cannot afford to go to private uni just like GIK, NUST etc
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Nov 10, 2015 05:27am
@Gentle Man .would have been really amazing had they not been supervised by chinese institutes and hundreds of designers and engineers in china !
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Nov 10, 2015 06:15am
No one dares to admit, that these planes are essentially Chinese made, with Pakistani paint job!
If Pakistan was so advanced to be able to build a fighter jet, than why aren't passenger jets in Pakistan even maintained up-to airworthiness level!?
Next, someone will even boast about the Pentagon interests in these jets!
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Nov 10, 2015 06:36am
It is outstanding achievement at Pakistan Air Force. Asghar khan and No or Khan and many others contributed. I believe now this toy needed marketing.
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Nov 10, 2015 06:49am
@Skeptic ,You are absolutely wrong,Sheri Lanka tested,bought and started delivering these babies in the summer.Sudan's deal is almost done for these birds, Mushak is favorite as compared to costly training tool and quite a few countries determine to get it as a choice training aircraft.Check it out.
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Nov 10, 2015 07:45am
I hope this interest transforms into contracts soon
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Nov 10, 2015 07:47am
You could sell some to India! They are on the lookout for good aircraft for their forces.
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Nov 10, 2015 07:58am
No trolls....what a reflection of their mindset
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Nov 10, 2015 11:49am
GR8!!
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Nov 10, 2015 12:17pm
We have a limited capacity to build JF-17 and till 2021 all orders are booked. The orders for 2022 onward are being booked. The real game changer as our lot of money which we used to spend on foreign buying are being saved by a project initiated and undertaken successfully by PAF.
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Nov 10, 2015 12:20pm
@Haroon about 70% of work force (especially engineering level) are civilians our nuclear, missiles and host of other defence productions are fully operated by civilians. Please do not mix civilians with politicians. It is politicians whom we do not trust as they proved not to be trust worthy
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Nov 11, 2015 04:28am
We hope this interest materializes into some exports. Commercial sections of Pakistani embassies overseas should work hard in that direction.
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Nov 11, 2015 08:42am
@Haroon well said. Fully agree. There are lots of brilliant engineers in the civilian arena and their talents can provide enormous benefit to the defence industry.
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Nov 11, 2015 12:53pm
@Chuckle!
In the fast changing world Pakistan should try and normalise relations with other countries, even with Israel! Only possible exception will be India with whom we have direct issues. In Myanmar we could help the victimised minority community through friendship and enhancing inter-state stakes including exports and selling military equipment. A recent border crossing by the Indians to carry out strikes inside Myanmar should be enough to make them understand the significance of an affordable defence in future.
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Nov 11, 2015 01:04pm
@Mike,London
A joint Pak-China venture. All developing countries, even the Chinese have had external assistance before becoming fully self sufficient. Example is our nuclear programme which despite hurdles has spectacularly progressed so that, according to latest US media, Pakistan. will soon be the World's 3rd nuclear power after America and Russia. Does that satisfy your query ?
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Nov 11, 2015 07:35pm
The best of the best, PAF.
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Nov 11, 2015 08:05pm
poverty is the real threat for both countries.
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