VEHARI: A man divorced his wife after she got him arrested for subjecting her to torture at Lakha Luddan village.
Nasim Bibi, a resident of mauza Lakha Luddan, filed a complaint two days ago with Luddan police against her husband, Khadim Husain, for subjecting her to physical torture.
The police booked Husain under Section 107/151 of the PPC.
On Tuesday, after securing a bail from a local court, Khadim Husain divorced Nasim Bibi.
Denying the torture allegation, he claimed that he had only admonished his wife for “misuse” of mobile phone.
Though Husain was booked under PPC sections, SHO Rana Khalid claimed police were bound to take action on torture complaints after enactment of women’s protection law.
Published in Dawn, March 17th, 2016
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Huzaifa Akhtar
Mar 17, 2016 09:47am
Why we are making laws with provisions of misuse ???
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Nomi
Mar 17, 2016 09:57am
I support WPL, but fair enough, she should be happy now, got divorced.
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Khan waliti
Mar 17, 2016 10:07am
So it begins......who is responsible for this women's divorce. Who will feed her.....
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ZwanZalmay
Mar 17, 2016 10:09am
The govt should make a plan to support the victim women. Otherwise, woman protection bill will have negative impact on the society.
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Faisal
Mar 17, 2016 10:18am
The practice of this law would end in divorce in most of the cases. If divorce is the ultimate goal, there is already a law in Islam where a woman can get divorce if she has any issues from her husband.
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Ahmed Wm
Mar 17, 2016 10:19am
Men have to understand that while they are the leaders of their families so are they accountable too. They also have to understand that though Islam provides a provision for divorce but does not encourage for it. Families should not treat divorce as childrens' play this is a very serious matter.
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The Reluctant Fundamentalist
Mar 17, 2016 10:20am
All the hype regarding women protection bill aside (I was myself part of that hype), it shouldn't have been implemented in such haste. The religious lobby has just got a very valid argument on their side. Good luck to liberals.
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Comman Man
Mar 17, 2016 10:21am
@Khan waliti
Women should educate themselves and must learn to earn their livelihood this is the only way to get rid of these type of nasty husbands.
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Faizan Qureshi
Mar 17, 2016 10:23am
women protection law will damage many house. shame government
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AK
Mar 17, 2016 10:27am
There should be another bill passed for spousal support in case wife can not earn money.
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Realist
Mar 17, 2016 10:31am
She is better off without him.
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Realist
Mar 17, 2016 10:31am
@Khan waliti So, she should take the beating just to be fed? Nice logic.
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usman
Mar 17, 2016 10:34am
So basically if a man Continues to torture her for life physically and mentally that's okay but if a wife complains for the torture she has to face the consequences. So just to save that marriage and the beating taking no help is the solution to some and standing up for her rights is not a solution at all?
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Fawzia H
Mar 17, 2016 10:34am
I wonder how strong the admonishment was.
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Mian
Mar 17, 2016 10:34am
First drop of divorce rain. expect more after full awareness.
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Faizan Qureshi
Mar 17, 2016 10:35am
what a law who damage her life and their home
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Test
Mar 17, 2016 10:36am
@The Reluctant Fundamentalist
@Huzaifa Akhtar
@Khan waliti
So why are all of you so certain that the Law was misused?
The woman could be lying and she was not tortured OR the man could be lying and he did torture her. That's for the court to decide.
Also one thing I am surprised at, is that people think a divorce is worse then living with someone who abuses you.
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Abbas
Mar 17, 2016 10:38am
@Realist yeah ask her now you surely will get clarity
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usman
Mar 17, 2016 10:39am
@khan don't blame the law. She protected herself from unwanted beating and he to show his manliness divorced her since she complained about a valid issue she faced. The house is broken as you say it but at least she won't have to go through the torture she had to face due to a petty cellphone issue.
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Something Fishy
Mar 17, 2016 10:39am
@Realist
probably. But only she can tell it.
Rather both of them will know it after some time.
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usman
Mar 17, 2016 10:41am
We all take our life partners for granted and if for any reason they complain we always have a divorce card to play to put her genuine complaints down.
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tina
Mar 17, 2016 10:41am
How easily the people here have believed that the woman has misused the law and she is lying. Why cant it be the other way. Maybe the guy actually physically abused her and now is covering up by giving illogical reasons. The law for protection of women rights is the need of the hour. Far more women are victims of physical abuse than is acceptable in a civil society
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imran
Mar 17, 2016 10:41am
Outcome of the decisions of so called experienced team
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Bitter Truth
Mar 17, 2016 10:43am
A billow on the face of desi liberals.
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UA
Mar 17, 2016 10:48am
Let's not be too eager to take sides so early. Wait for the details to come out.
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Suresh, Melbourne
Mar 17, 2016 10:48am
See the bandwagon of people who dont want this law. There are so many of these who wants to keep their wife as a slave rather than equal partner because unfortunately they have not been taught how to treat ladies with respect.
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AslamRaisani
Mar 17, 2016 10:48am
@Khan waliti God will feed her
Just because she is dependent on her abusive husband doesn't mean she will have to go through the torture for life.
Good riddance for her!
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Amjad
Mar 17, 2016 10:49am
I think better this kind of marriage broken if there is torture or no confidence over using mobile phones.
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aleem
Mar 17, 2016 10:54am
True colours of husbands coming out. Women should take charge of their lives and families - get education and gainful employment.
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aleem
Mar 17, 2016 10:54am
@Khan waliti God will feed her. I'm sure religious parties believe in God?
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Sad
Mar 17, 2016 11:00am
While commenting on either Man is right or Woman is right in this specific case and if WPA is good or bad, we all forgot that the highest price to be paid by their children!! Who will care about their children?? Our government is just interested in showing their loyalty to west (so called liberal trying to run ahead of rest of Asian countries) but take my words they are not going to spend even a single penny on those deprived children now!!
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Iqbal Bhai
Mar 17, 2016 11:04am
Now what? Take away the right to divorce? Hasty laws implemented in haste without first analyzing the consequences.
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Bilal
Mar 17, 2016 11:06am
I would have probably liked to do the same. Once home matters go to police or court, separation is the only solution.
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Nilesh
Mar 17, 2016 11:07am
Good she should remarry or this will set very wrong example
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Arif119
Mar 17, 2016 11:07am
The Ruling class which designed this law or supported this Bill are NOT aware of ground realities. This bill is not designed keeping in the view the culture of society. It will give birth to 100 new issue while resolving 1.
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Umer
Mar 17, 2016 11:09am
There must be a clause in this women protection bill. that "if a wife complaints against here husband and in return the husband divorces her, he should not be allowed to marry again for at least 5 years.
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Salah Uddin
Mar 17, 2016 11:09am
@Ahmed Wm and women misusing the law is okay?
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Do touk
Mar 17, 2016 11:11am
The half-baked law passed in a hurry did not foresee and provide safeguards against men using the weapon of divorce.
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Ahmar Qureshi
Mar 17, 2016 11:14am
Legislature should be designed & implemented with a sure perspective of Knowledge, Attitude & Practice analysis that this law may not get in a role of a tool to avenge.
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Faraz
Mar 17, 2016 11:15am
Educate first.
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Javed Arshad
Mar 17, 2016 11:15am
The religious lobby like most other lobbies have their own ulterior motives. Give them more representation in CII the objections will go away. The fact is that women are mistreated in our society big time there is no denying of this sad fact and laws must be introduced to protect women. Since this is a sensitive matter, all parties should be brought on table to discuss agree and then pass and implement such laws. I think even the religious leaders agree that we need to move forward on this subject.
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hasan
Mar 17, 2016 11:15am
Its good that she got divorced. Why would she or anyone as a matter of fact in their right mind would want to stay with such a ruthless person. I fully support the women protection bill. Its better to get divorced than to live the rest of your life in fear just to please the "Society"
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Faisal
Mar 17, 2016 11:16am
No need to amend any law, we are not prepared. I agree with all mullah.
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wanghai
Mar 17, 2016 11:16am
@Khan waliti there should be another law that if some one divorces his wife, she should get part of his property
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khan
Mar 17, 2016 11:19am
apart from the trouble husband and wife are facing, police will exploit both.
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Lost childs
Mar 17, 2016 11:22am
@Khan waliti So,,what you mean is it would be better for her to keep getting tortured so that she can get something to eat ?
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Shah
Mar 17, 2016 11:23am
Wow, that's the change we're looking for and no bigotry as to " who is responsible for this women's divorce. Who will feed her".. Women need to be empowered and should not stay as dependent.
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The Right Left
Mar 17, 2016 11:25am
Divorce should actually already be ENFORCED by a court, when it is established that there is physical violence and abuse in a relationship.
In fact, and in addition there should be another law that second time offenders should be publicly flogged.
Enough with the abuse already ! The society is so heavily twisted in favor of abusive men that there needs to laws tilted heavily in favor of the weak.
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Naeemudin
Mar 17, 2016 11:25am
This is irony we as Pakistanis adopt laws at shallow level imposed in western societies but do not develop ethics, understanding and gravity of such laws. Our literacy rate is very low and we are trying to implement laws from western countries. The best laws for us already in our religion and for us this better if we teach those laws in educational institutions and act according to those laws.
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splash
Mar 17, 2016 11:25am
now in future no women ll dare to speak against torture by husband.
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Faisal
Mar 17, 2016 11:28am
@Faisal First change the mindset.
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kanwarch
Mar 17, 2016 11:30am
@Faizan Qureshi Flawed argument and backward thinking. Mentality needs to change with regards to attitudes towards women no abuse should be tolerated whether it is from husband in the name of marriage or from brothers in the name of honour killing. This has got to stop and this is not Islam. If divorce rate increases so what at least abuse will stop for that women.
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Arsh
Mar 17, 2016 11:30am
There we go. One way or other women is punished. This is just a beginning and I think this might be the only case ever registered against a husband under this new LAW.
Now I wonder if any of those socio-active foreign paid & played NGO women come forward for her help. Shelter & food and other needs of her.
I am in favor of protection & security for everyone on the streets. We need to address the women insecurity when she is away from her home, on street, public transport, shopping malls, all these places. Usually, home is a safest place for any women but this bill took away the home from this lady.
I think Islam provides a sound respect to women.
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Shaukat Ali Khan
Mar 17, 2016 11:32am
The new law will break many families.
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kanwarch
Mar 17, 2016 11:32am
So at least she is out of an abusive relationship and that is her right given by Islam. This religion protects women from abuse so don't hide behind Islam
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M Jamal
Mar 17, 2016 11:33am
We as a nation have proved to be scaratic and hasteful.Todayhasteful.Today we start hating someone and tomorrow he is our loved one. Yesterday Shahid Afridi was a failed guy today after Bangladesh win he is our hero and tomorrow if God forbid we lost, he will again be a villian.Yesterday, the law for woman was the best and everyone appreciated it but now we see most of us are critisizing that it will break families after one case where complete details are unknown.The best thing is to calm down and learn to live in 21st century.
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The Right Left
Mar 17, 2016 11:33am
Its appalling and ridiculous to claim that giving women the right to complain about abuse will destroy her home and or life !
There should in fact also be a possibility for anyone to notify police of possible abuse, violence in a home. Police should investigate and if established, the couple should be given a trial separation and monitored. If abuse continues, a court should annul the marriage.
What good is a marriage where a woman gets beaten up !!?? What kind of children this household will produce ? Violent, damaged kids who will continue the cycle of violence.
Its outrageous !!! People need to dig themselves out from the hole uneducated, molvis have put them in. This is not religion!
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Chodhary
Mar 17, 2016 11:35am
"SHO Rana Khalid claimed police were bound to take action on torture complaints after enactment of women’s protection law."
Well.. police has NEVER been bound to take action against rapists and killers... but of course such a prompt action was needed in this case... Amazing
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zara sochyie
Mar 17, 2016 11:36am
For those who were writing huge things in the support of this ugly
act....and the childish action/Step of the GOVT.
Govt. is deliberately vanishing our Islamic fundamentals .....
(this is what i was asking from Govt. is there any remedy that govt can give to that woman in context of the great WOMAN PROTECTION BILL..???????????????)
alass.... very bad things are gonna happen in coming times...
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The Right Left
Mar 17, 2016 11:36am
If the woman was honest and man abuse, good riddance for her ! Why should she live with torture and or constant threat of it !
If the woman lied and man was honest, then good riddance for him.. ! why should he live with a woman who falsely gets him jailed !
Its a win win situation ! Where is the problem in either case ?
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MAK
Mar 17, 2016 11:37am
Now if any Cleric say anything the people will talk against him...that's happened when we stop respecting religious clerics..
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Faslo
Mar 17, 2016 11:38am
Ok I need to ask all of you one thing here why are we talking about divorce like its a bad thing.this is a perfect law to teach people lesson.she has the right in Islam to claim for within her rights for support.and if I was her I would drag him in court for that.untill he either takes her back and apologizes or be a man and start supporting her.
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Mahmood
Mar 17, 2016 11:39am
Just the beginning. The new law will give men perfect excuse to retaliate.
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Skeptic
Mar 17, 2016 11:43am
It's a catch-22 situation for women.
File a complaint, and face a divorce.
Or go to court, which are clogged and back-logged by 10-20 old cases, languishing, while families suffer.
Or keep quite, and suffer the abuse and stay in the marriage for your own or family's sake, or to protect the children who will pay the ultimate price of any choice you make!
I guess Pakistan should've studied the impact of such laws in other societies before introducing it without understanding its long-term ramifications.
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Nazir Ahmed
Mar 17, 2016 11:44am
Ask woman if she is happy. As there are hurdles if a woman wants divorce from her husband.
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tkh
Mar 17, 2016 11:45am
Any law against social fabric will bring out bad unexpected results.
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M. Malik
Mar 17, 2016 11:45am
The other shoe drops!
Now I suppose many will come forward to amend the law to either strengthen it, or weaken it to protect family structure - but at a price!
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AV Houston
Mar 17, 2016 11:46am
Lets just waits for the facts to come out. But she did nothing wrong from the initial facts and for once we should be proud of our system that he was booked right away. That will be lesson for the other men.
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goldconsumer
Mar 17, 2016 11:47am
Ban divorce too..
Peoples mentality needs to change. Education is a key factor. However you see these issues in educated class too. Its more how you are brought up at home.
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Arif119
Mar 17, 2016 11:50am
This misperception should end that If some one is criticizing 'Women protection bill' then it means they are against women rights. This bill was definitely not designed while considering limitations in our society. No one in right mind will support domestic torture. It must be stopped but involvement of police / court should come at extreme levels only. Otherwise we will see many more divorces. Which will further expose women to men in society as they are not financially independent. thats a ground reality.
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naseem ahmad
Mar 17, 2016 11:50am
@Realist have you spoken to her? I think it is not good for both of them. Instead of involving this issue could be handled by a marriage counselor.
We should not make law in haste.
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Sajj
Mar 17, 2016 11:51am
How do we know he is not lying? How do we know she did not exaggerate her torture claim?
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Reality Bites
Mar 17, 2016 11:51am
The best thing a man can do is to provide good education to his daughter. She will never have to be financially dependent on a man or at someone's mercy.
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Saqib Shafiq
Mar 17, 2016 11:52am
This Law should not be enforced, wife-husband matters should not went to courts and police stations.
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naseem ahmad
Mar 17, 2016 11:52am
@Faizan Qureshi It damaged both persons life. There must another way, life handling the matter through neutral party, not the police.
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Reality Bites
Mar 17, 2016 11:53am
How many of have read this law as we are commenting on it. None.
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Asadusa
Mar 17, 2016 11:53am
GOVT. should provide financial support to all such women who get divorced in result of this law. Financial support should be at least 20,000 per month so women can initially feed herself and her children. Support should continue for a time period until women is trained to earn for herself.
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Ali
Mar 17, 2016 11:54am
This law is going to be main issue between liberal and conservatives and the victims will be the illiterate populace.
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naseem ahmad
Mar 17, 2016 11:55am
@tina the west calls itself civil society, and they also have physical and mental torture at home.
We need to educate the society.
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AdHawk
Mar 17, 2016 11:56am
In the West there are also laws for adequate spousal and child support. A woman's housework is valued monetarily as part of this process. Time to join the civilized world.
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E!
Mar 17, 2016 11:56am
What's the point of this law if the guy is out the next day?
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karachi Wally
Mar 17, 2016 11:57am
The only country where people judge the efficacy of the law on the basis on one divorce. These divorces used to happen in our societies even before this law.
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pakistani
Mar 17, 2016 11:58am
This is just the beginnings. In our haste to make our society westernized, we are importing their problems wholesale. There is a reason Islam suggests to keeo your dirty laundry inside the house. It tells you to confide in your family, and friends. But when you run to authorities who are now short sightedly been bound by this westernized ideal of a law, this is indeed what happens. How can anybody expect anything other to happen?
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pakistani
Mar 17, 2016 11:59am
Isn't this what she wanted? I mean, what could be the logical follow up to an episode where you report your spouse to the police.
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Faheem
Mar 17, 2016 12:00pm
@Ahmed Wm, What do you expect from a man who is sent to jail just because he asked his wife to not misuse mobile? We need more improvements in such vulnerable law.
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khan
Mar 17, 2016 12:01pm
Punjab gov. instead of investment in education which is the real key to problems , is doing such make-up laws for appeciation from west and some NGOs.
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Mrs. Phannay Khan
Mar 17, 2016 12:03pm
Good riddance (for her)
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pakistani
Mar 17, 2016 12:04pm
@Suresh, Melbourne
And you think she is now equal? Now the whole household, including children's lives, has been destroyed permanently. Our religion does provide means to handle and correct abusive relation ships and that does not involve 'mandatory arrests'. It involves facilitation, and dialogue between friends and families.
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ysk
Mar 17, 2016 12:05pm
one case comes up and suddenly Women Protection Bill is wrong??? So husband beating his wife for a minor issue is Ok? Maybe we will see more divorces, but in the end things will settle one way or the other. Beating Women is never right.
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MN
Mar 17, 2016 12:05pm
According to the report the man got bail on this Tuesday and divorced his wife. I think, saying "talaq" by a husband three times does not constitute legal divorce. Husband and wife must through a process to legal divorce. Men misuse the system saying "talaq" three times.
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Eli
Mar 17, 2016 12:05pm
We should not pass laws while blindly following western societies. Those societies have 100% literacy rate and women know very well when and how to use these legal aids. In our society mainly comprising illiterates, this law is bound to bring in more issues, as men will always divorce such women, and at times, it will actually help men in getting the pretext to divorce women without invoking any reaction from family and friends. Not sure why this government has no priority to improve literacy rate in Pakistan, which can actually be more effective in curbing general violence against women and the weak...
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NA
Mar 17, 2016 12:07pm
Get the people (both women and men) educated to respect each other as human beings and also as husband / wife. Govt need to spend money on character building of people as priority. Legislation will help only after that
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Yunus
Mar 17, 2016 12:09pm
That was a gentlemanly way to end an abusive marriage.
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Shiraz
Mar 17, 2016 12:11pm
Its bound to happen. Expect more. I am not a pessimist but the type of society we are becoming, its highly likely that both sides will exploit this law.
Marriage is a sacred bond and divorce is the way out of a failed marriage but for nothing else.
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JAK
Mar 17, 2016 12:11pm
Why the state does not support the Islamic way of conflict resolution if there is any dispute between husband and wife. Two elders from each side should be asked to resolve the issue rather than taking the conflict to police station. No person would like to go to police station as they are today in present form.
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Jainy
Mar 17, 2016 12:12pm
@usman May you face the same situation to see what your response would be........ Husband and wife is a relationship totally based on trust........ If wife complains of her husband at a police station and get him arrested for two days.... what you think would be left in the trust??? This simply will make an end.
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SAB
Mar 17, 2016 12:13pm
There is no denying the fact that domestic violence is a stark reality in Pakistan, especially in Punjab. It has to be tackled at all costs. Only the woman who suffers domestic violence knows its horrific effects. However all laws regarding family law are passed after careful debate everywhere in the world, which is time taking. IN the case of this bill, it is very obvious that the Punjab government was looking for improving its credentials as a 'liberal, forward looking' outfit, which it is not. The religious parties on the other hand dangerously upped the ante, giving men the message that they have the authority of pronouncing divorce. Tongue in cheek comments by Maualana Fazlur Rehman and Ranasanaullah only trivialize an otherwise grim issue. There is still time for the all, including the so-called civil society, to get debate the issue in depth to find measures to address domestic violence.
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AK
Mar 17, 2016 12:21pm
Divorce is a common practice in developed countries. Wealth and debt earned during marriage have to be divided equally. If one spouse is in hardship the other has to provide support (Ordered by court). Nothing wrong with women protection law.
This is just the beginning. There have to be several related laws introduced to deal with one's hardship.
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abid
Mar 17, 2016 12:26pm
If state financially support married couples, torture would reduce. Govt is running away fro its responsibilities and bury head in sand instead of facing challenges faced by married couples.
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common man
Mar 17, 2016 12:27pm
Now , eat fruit of the new liberal western law... this woman might have kids.. best of luck
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Fahad
Mar 17, 2016 12:28pm
Population control or else trolls will be at large in the future.
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Asad
Mar 17, 2016 12:33pm
@Khan waliti Women need to be independent so that if they are being abused in a marriage, they can simply walk out and earn a living by themselves. A woman should be able to feed herself.
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Fawzia H
Mar 17, 2016 12:36pm
@Faizan Qureshi that is the risk the man took in raising his hand. No woman anywhere in the world takes the step of going for outside help unless she has absolutely nowhere or no one to turn to. This is not a joke.
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Human
Mar 17, 2016 12:39pm
It's not a fault of the new bill the divroce was impeding. Such fragile relationships don't last anyway. Good riddance to both of them.
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Mehdi
Mar 17, 2016 12:46pm
Good for her. Maybe she would have filed for the divorce herself if the law and society allowed her.
Also, the law does have a provision that she will be supported through a shelter. I can't understand how people are saying that this is a bad side-effect of the law.
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Shahid-khi
Mar 17, 2016 12:47pm
I am grateful to the government that this law is introduced only in Punjab which consists of rural areas where women are commonly abused. Otherwise this law in all over country could destroy the fabric of our society.
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Arslan
Mar 17, 2016 12:48pm
I don't think women are stupid that they won't know what'll happen if they get their husbands arrested.
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shereen
Mar 17, 2016 12:49pm
We must fix the way we raise our sons. Laws are never as powerful as tradition.
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Sadaf Fatima
Mar 17, 2016 12:54pm
We needed a law to protect women against domestic abuse and violence. She did the right thing by complaining. However, she must be given financial support to be able to live her life respectably.
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shereen
Mar 17, 2016 12:55pm
@Test it is worse than living with an abuser. And allow me to enlighten you that almost all female professional women I know have been told at least once by their educated husbands after an argument: what don't I give you? You are well fed clothed and housed. Now,let me enlighten you further: that's not why we marry, we marry for respectful love.
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bluebird
Mar 17, 2016 12:57pm
Men and women both have weaknesses. Men tend to get abusive and violent in their weak moments. This is completely wrong. However, men's flaws are much highlighted in the society because they are tangible. A wife can complain about being beaten and people intervene. Some women, on the other hand, can also be extremely abusive, disintegrate families, hatch conspiracies, mistreat children, husband and other family members, etc. This is also an unacceptable behavior but unfortunately its quite intangible. Its not easy to prove in a court of law how a women is responsible for such ills. So if there is a protection law for women against the inherent weaknesses of men, there should be a protection law for men against the inherent weaknesses of women. If nature's plan is to give men and women equal opportunities, it implies that they both have equal hand is causing good as well as evil. A mental abuse induced by women is no less evil than the physical abuse induced by men.
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immo
Mar 17, 2016 01:01pm
reap the fruits now
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immo
Mar 17, 2016 01:03pm
tussle between religious fascists and liberal fascist makes ordinary people to suffer just leave us alone
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Samna Ashraf
Mar 17, 2016 01:12pm
It is good she had taken divorce otherwise she would have beaten whole life.
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Fowad Bukhari
Mar 17, 2016 01:13pm
A very balanced approach is required to cater the law since the motive is to protect the rights of both (Husband and Wife)
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M.Saeed
Mar 17, 2016 01:23pm
This is what was destined.
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Mustafa
Mar 17, 2016 01:29pm
It has already started to show results. :)
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Ali
Mar 17, 2016 01:31pm
Why people are commenting against law rather criticizing this man for giving divorce to her wife because for her stand against physical torture !! this man is a coward with those who are against WPB.
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Boom Boom
Mar 17, 2016 01:31pm
@Realist be a actual realistic ... Talk is cheap but walk is taxing beyond your imagination. No one is arguing on women right but need to sit down think hard on issue in hand. May be this is just a Nassem Bibi when this issue will knock every ones door then we will feel the pain. This law is a social problem not much of religious. Laws are made to keep society intact not set them apart.
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Tariq
Mar 17, 2016 01:32pm
This is just the tip of ice burg of this copy paste law.
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Altaf khan
Mar 17, 2016 01:39pm
Congrats to Nasim Bibi
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Waseem Sarwar
Mar 17, 2016 01:40pm
She should be pleased as she got out of that physically oppressed relationship. It's better to take the risk of being divorced than taking physical thrashing everyday.
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ashar
Mar 17, 2016 01:44pm
instead of making laws in haste we need to provide quality education to the masses on the guidelines provided in Islam which provides clear guidance in all aspects of life and covers every minute detail of our family lives as well.
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ordinary_citizen
Mar 17, 2016 01:58pm
Being father of two girls I am definitely in favour of female education, respect, financial independence and fair treatment. However this concept of gender equality we have taken from the west has a plethora of issues. Man and woman have their own role, strengths and importance in the family and society. None is superior to the other, just different.
With our desire to follow to west we should be ready for the same results. Divorce rates vary between 50 - 70% in western europe. In my view even western women who are far ahead on the education and maturity curve then Pakistani women they are still finding it difficult to balance between rights and responsibilities. Just like other rights divorce is also something which should be exercised with responsibility and caution. Using it at the first sign of trouble in a marriage has a heavy social cost associated with it, specially for the children. I am afraid WPL is one step further in this direction.
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patriot
Mar 17, 2016 02:02pm
After effects of Women Protection Bill :) this all will happen, we will have more divorces...!!!
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Nawaz
Mar 17, 2016 02:03pm
if loopholes of the women protection law are not addressed all marriages are doomed to meet such ill-fate.
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The Observer
Mar 17, 2016 02:28pm
Yet another law to be misused. Though not against protection of Women rights but law should be mature enough so that nobody can misuse it.
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Sheraz Chaudhry
Mar 17, 2016 02:33pm
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
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Saima
Mar 17, 2016 02:34pm
She can remarry and live a much better life than this. Women protection law is the best.
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Farhan
Mar 17, 2016 02:36pm
Wait till daughters file complain against her father....
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Masood Khan
Mar 17, 2016 02:37pm
If this man is forced to pay maintenance to his wife till she marries again or share his assets/ property, then we would see if he can torture and divorce her. We have to move forward to realize we are in 21st century, not in medieval times.
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Dr. Saad
Mar 17, 2016 02:42pm
Social issues are better resolved through ethical reforms and not legal enforcement. Alas that was not the case in Pakistan, hence. Men and women need to be taught to respect each other instead of being forced to. The religious parties could've taken the initiative but they are also too busy playing politics with religion. 'Tableegh' is at an all time high yet the society is plummeting. Even the preachers don't practice. Bribery, corruption, disrespect, intellectual retardation, its all there. We have indeed become the masters of hypocrisy!!
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OSD
Mar 17, 2016 02:56pm
This law is not the reason for this divorce. If he can divorce her so easily right after getting bail, either he was torturing her and has anger issues, or else she was not smart enough to make it work. In any case, it brought this issue to a peaceful and logical end for them.
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Farooq Mughal
Mar 17, 2016 03:04pm
Great, so the law is working. Marriage had ended practically the day he started beating her physically. Hope she finds peace of mind and happiness now.
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Muslim
Mar 17, 2016 03:15pm
Unfortunately this western copied law will break houses in Pakistan and the divorce rate will increase 100%. Too bad.
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M. Malik
Mar 17, 2016 03:17pm
I guess we can see the real down side of Facebook addiction. It has led to many broken marriages even in the U.S and Europe where people used these channels for affairs or neglected their families by spending too much time on useless chit chats and free calls!
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Sheeda Tully
Mar 17, 2016 03:42pm
government should set up a housing facility for unsupported divorced women, give stipend and train/employ in productive work...
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Khan waliti
Mar 17, 2016 04:05pm
@Realist
So being fed and living is less important than being beaten up. Is your society ready? Does YOUR govt build schools and enforce mandatory education. Does it provide support in case of divorce.
Making laws so one may look good is not how you solve a problem. Do you turley believe that this law will even have an iota of difference.
There could have been at least three other laws that would have much much more impact than this . 1 a law that does not allow diyat I case of karokari, a law making education compulsory , a law making police independent.
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Shazad
Mar 17, 2016 04:06pm
@Faisal: Yes, woman should get divorce from abuse husband, that is better for her, but before divorce, she should also make sure that he gets punished by law. Government should also bring law that in any marriage, a man have to make mandatory declaration that he has not been reported ever for abusing a woman, signed by not only him but girl too that she knows what is in declaration. Any wrong declaration should be punishable with imprisonment and fine.
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Life
Mar 17, 2016 04:11pm
If the women is right then the guy has committed a crime and should be punished for physical abuse and he also has committed a sin by divorcing his wife on unfair grounds in anger. If he cannot control his anger, he can't be a man of character.
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Naveed
Mar 17, 2016 04:21pm
@Shazad You're making assumptions that either the courts, or Police in any city or town in Pakistan have the resources to get involved in marriage contracts or have a database to check if a bride or groom have ever committed a crime. Or create documents for each to sign etc etc..
Most police stations have barely any furniture, much less filing cabinets, computers and printers. And if they did, where would the money come from? Higher taxes!
Get real.
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Shazad
Mar 17, 2016 04:55pm
@Naveed: I did not say that police have to get involved in marriage. Thing is that, when marriage happens, both husband and wife have to sign contract of marriage (Nikah nama). What I am recommending is that, before signing contract of marriage, groom should make mandatory signed statement that he do not have history of abusing woman (law can be made mandatory for bride too). Obviously, that declared abuse means abuse that was reported to police or case that went to court.
So, when after marriage it is found that the man in past was also involved in woman abuse and did not declared before current Nikah (that can come out if he abused his current wife and she went to police or court ... or abuse got known by coincidence ... or someone knew that he abused but did not made declaration and now want him to get punished), than husband can be sent to prison and fined on charges of deception at the time of Nikah.
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Mehdi
Mar 17, 2016 05:08pm
To all those saying this is bad, I ask you: How would you want the law to be if the tortured woman was your sister? Would you tell her that she needs to go back to her husband and get beatings because he provides her food? Or would you want the law to support your sister in getting her husband punished even if that means a divorce?
You are a sick person if you think it's okay for your sister's husband to beat her and it's your sister's responsibility to not do anything about it in order to "keep the family intact".
For the record, the bill also creates shelters to provide for women who need to get away from their husbands and don't have other means and also makes false accusations a crime.
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Vibrant Pakistan
Mar 17, 2016 05:09pm
WPB has flaws. it should be reconciliatory, shouldn't end at separation
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Iftikhar Husain
Mar 17, 2016 05:24pm
After divorcing he should pay her whatever due to her according to law.
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Asif Jamil
Mar 17, 2016 05:29pm
Is it not that easy to divorce your wife by saying Talaq three times in anger! There is a strict Islamic procedure to follow.
I personally saved a couple's marriage by convincing them their divorce was invalid which was confirmed to the husband by a learned imam.
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Sami
Mar 17, 2016 05:39pm
Better to get divorced then being humiliated and beaten by coward man
This is a time for women revolution for their rights
These man need to get hardest punishment
God knows how many girls are tortured every day
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SadFaces
Mar 17, 2016 05:40pm
Divorce in Islam is never in done one go as most of Pakistanis think. There are three long chances given to both spouses and given council by family members or guardians. If they are unable to make it work, then man can finally divorce her.
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Sami
Mar 17, 2016 05:41pm
@Khan waliti So if he can feed he is allowed to beat Very sad and sad to see how many people likes it
We should have more strict law
If they gey divorced she should get half of the property from husband
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Realist
Mar 17, 2016 06:22pm
It has nothing to do with being liberal. It shows just how manly Pakistani men really are. A physically weaker female partner of the marriage complains to the police about her stronger husband beating her up and he divorces her in revenge. Nice.
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Justwasif
Mar 17, 2016 06:36pm
This law is useless, as in society like our woman depends upon husband not on law,
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Justwasif
Mar 17, 2016 06:51pm
Now Who will feed and protect her?? Govt??
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Shakil Ahmed Khan
Mar 17, 2016 06:51pm
Thats obvious result of unthoughtful law without providing any protection to women. How would a woman can survive when most of them rely on husbands to support them and the family? in west it works because state takes the responsibility of single parents or anyone who has not house or a job.
Why do you think women stay in abusive marriages? only reason they cant survive without a bread winner. Most would walk out of such marriages if state would support them.
State made a half hearted law to allow women to report violent husbands, but all these macho men will not like to be dragged in Police Stations and consider as insult and will divorce women.
Now if you put law to protect women it should also include in case of divorce husband half of the property and wealth should be awarded to woman and vice versa if woman has more wealth it should also be divided in half regardless whose name is it on.
Half laws cant work as it only make news not help anyone!
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N_Saq
Mar 17, 2016 06:55pm
@Justwasif now they should award 50% of his income and assets to her, problem solved.
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Aj
Mar 17, 2016 07:00pm
IN case of divorce family property should be divided half and half and make husband responsible to pay money to raise his children. This will stop the almighty power of divorce . In most of the cases married couple are looking for an excuse to get out of the relationship anyway.
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Sodagar
Mar 17, 2016 07:00pm
I think govt. Should introduce a new tax, women protection tax to support such women who are divorced as consequence of use of this law. Keeping in view the varios factors that define our society, we can reasonably expect hundreds and thousands of divorced women.
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ISRA
Mar 17, 2016 07:14pm
Is there a counseling process before even police arrests come into action ?
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Asif Jamil
Mar 17, 2016 07:39pm
I fail to understand what the woman should have done under the circumstances! Let us assume the woman was in an abusive relationship, then what wrong wrong did she do by asking for help from the authorities?
Look at the guy, he divorces his wife for using mobile phone without any consideration for her or his children, if he has any. He could easily have accepted his fault and apologised and the Police would have left him alone. But that it too much for his ego. In such cases, the man should be held responsible to support his ex wife and children till she remarries.
Sharia does not cover every aspect and even here in the Middle East (there is no Sharia law here, they only follow precedents from Sharia) they are making judicial laws to protect women.
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Lubna C
Mar 17, 2016 07:41pm
So what most people here are saying is that it is okay to take the abuse but to get out of that aweful marriage?? Nobody deserves physical abuse.. Better get out of such a relationship than be humiliated and abused daily..
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Muhammad Abubakar
Mar 17, 2016 08:20pm
@wanghai dosnt this law discriminative ? every 1 Husband out of 3 is the victim of Domestic Violence. and in Every 14 Seconds a man got hit in Pakistan. First this law shouldn't be gender specific.
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Azmat Ali
Mar 17, 2016 08:57pm
To all the complainers: If your mother, sister or daughter is being tortured, who should they complain to? You? How many children, siblings and parents have the gall to defend their own womenfolk from constant abuse and torture? I am sure, before going to the Police, this woman had told / advised everyone around her of the same. No woman would take this ultimate step without exhausting all avenues first. If, at this stage, she couldn't find support from her own family, she has all the right to complain to the Police. Similarly, the chap has all the right to divorce her. No compulsion (food, shelter, children) should compel anyone to continue to live in an environment of constant abuse. Let those who know her step up to help her. She'll learn to make her own way or find another husband.
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FM
Mar 17, 2016 09:37pm
This law can't survive in Pakistan... Nation is at-least century away to accept it
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independentthinker
Mar 17, 2016 09:52pm
Why should that come as a surprise? Should he have, instead, showered her with gifts for filing a complaint?
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MMK
Mar 17, 2016 10:26pm
@Arif119 HOW else do you propose a solution??!!! criminals NEED to be prosecuted! How is that a groundbreaking concept??
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Farhan
Mar 17, 2016 10:54pm
@Saima What if that man do the same? If you cannot compromise then you should be alone
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cheebz
Mar 18, 2016 08:20am
the update was that because it was "whatta-Satta".. the guys sister also got divorced!.. no two houses ruined because of the process of this law...
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anees from zaida
Mar 18, 2016 08:26am
When it had already reached a stage where she had to report it, they better separate. How 'happy' can life be after such a step from either side?
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Mian Shahid Mehmood
Mar 18, 2016 08:37am
Laws should be enacted according to the psychological atmosphere of our citizens. We will be having the start of disintegration of family institution in Pakistan with the Women Protection Act. This was what West wanted us to do. Our only plus vis-a-vis West our strong Family System.
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Zubaida khan
Mar 18, 2016 08:37am
A happy ending for her. Getting rid of an abusive husband should improve her quality of life.
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Son
Mar 18, 2016 09:23am
Happy to know that at-least she got the courage to take that step...
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Gp65
Mar 18, 2016 10:29am
@Faisal Divorce may not be the goal , though it maybe an acceptable outcome. The goal maybe to punish the man who has abused you.
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Hassan
Mar 18, 2016 10:40am
Serious shortcomings in the implementation of the law has started unfolding, well honestly when you empower a woman to report an FIR against her husband for physically torturing her, she becomes more vulnerable of the atrocities unless supported by another law, it should be made sure that in connection of this particular FIR nobody can divorce her wife if the accused does so he would have to pay damages say about 5Mn to 10Mn rupees. Now he cannot torture her nor divorce her so he would have no other choice than to compromise and settled with her.
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Satyameva Jayate
Mar 18, 2016 10:51am
The problem is the mindset of the population - men and women.
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Hassan
Mar 18, 2016 11:17am
@Satyameva Jayate which cannot be changed overnight so therefore making laws is a better option unless u have a more sophisticated and educated population.
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Beauty Pakistan
Mar 18, 2016 11:30am
single case of misuse must not be generalized..... everything has some merits and demerits but the thing which has greater merits be given more importance then the first one.
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Ali
Mar 18, 2016 11:46am
Is there any think-tank in our country, so they should sit down and think what is better for our country? Its not going to work the these kind of law which build without any study or ground assessment and have to consider views of all stake holders of this country. We should avoid hasty law, which create confusion and hatred. I am really confused now that how this going to be work on ground realities.
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ruby
Mar 18, 2016 12:55pm
Come on guys! Divorce is everyone's right under law. How people choose to exercise it is their problem. I can't see what the big deal is.
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ruby
Mar 18, 2016 12:57pm
Are we going to force people to stay married dispite the wife sending the husband to prison on justifiable grounds. No. So this divorce is not big deal cause the marriage was probably not a very good one in any case. Now make sure you send the husband/ex husband to jail!
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Ali
Mar 18, 2016 12:59pm
@Faizan Qureshi. So you mean to say get beatings and get abused. That way her life will remain happy???
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shamayla
Mar 18, 2016 01:43pm
@Mian yes first drop of unsuccessful marriage endings, which could continue throughout life in miserable way if not ended this way!!!!!
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shamayla
Mar 18, 2016 01:50pm
@Sad consequences for children can be more worse if marriage continue like this. This is what root cause of our society that needs to change. Abuse is valid in marriage, is what the only thing children are learning from there parents!!!! They are physiological dustrubed due to miserable fights and abusive behaviors. This need to be changed.
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last comment
Mar 18, 2016 02:14pm
and the law will die by its own death
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Rational
Mar 18, 2016 03:48pm
The best way to empower women is to educate them. This will enable them to be financially independent. It is the financial dependence which makes her weaker.
If she is as financially strong as her husband then she will be no more weaker and can threaten her husband to divorce if she is tortured.
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Tariq, Lahore
Mar 18, 2016 03:51pm
A man/woman who abuses his/her partner are not worthy of a union and are better off separated. These taboos of divorce have to be overcome than to put up with abusive and rotten with zero quality relationship!
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Satyam Vada
Mar 18, 2016 06:12pm
@Khan waliti The husband is responsible for his divorce. If he did torture or abuse, he broke the family right then. The family WAS broken. How is she or law responsible for husband's acts of abuse or decision to divorce. Economic issue is important but isn't he obliged to provide maintenance especially now that he is the one that asked for divorce it is fair that he provide for her.
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Adeel
Mar 18, 2016 06:33pm
@Ahmed Wm Being arrested makes it a serious matter bro.
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Gafoor Saheb
Mar 18, 2016 10:09pm
The wife is liberated. Wish her all success.
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Shazad
Mar 18, 2016 11:11pm
@independentthinker 'Why should that come as a surprise? Should he have, instead, showered her with gifts for filing a complaint?'
Problem is not that she filed complain, problem is that why she needed to file complain? Answer is obvious, that is, her husband is animal and she needed protection of state from that animal. It is duty of state to protect every citizen and thus the law.
When she complained, she knew that coward animal facing stronger entity (state police), would change or run away scared (give divorce to her). So, it means she must be prepared that her husband would run away, as happened in above news.
Good thing is that, if she goes to court for Khula she would lose mahr and her husband would also make her life difficult while khula materialises. But in present case, when husband runs away after complain divorcing her, she do not have to return mahr plus her husband would not dare to harm her after the complain and she would be safe. So, law works fine.
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M.Saeed
Mar 18, 2016 11:39pm
The very natural result!
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Haroon Raza
Mar 19, 2016 12:17am
@Khan waliti
First of all, talaq only happens if given at three different times. Secondly, the women protection process is evolving and some families (generally women) will sacrifice in the beginning. In the long run, this is a step towards right direction. When this issue will be highlighted (with divorces), I am sure brutalities against women will decrease. Thirdly, people should educate their daughters so they can rely on their abilities after being divorced instead of being constantly tortured. Divorce is equally painful for men as for women. Women can better handle this issue.
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asim
Mar 19, 2016 12:31am
@Khan waliti
So feeding a wife two times a day is great excuse for torture and beating in a matrimonial relationship.
What a twisted interpretation of Islamic value.
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asim
Mar 19, 2016 12:37am
@khan
Simple solution is behave like civilized human and do not take things up to that level.
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Usman
Mar 19, 2016 12:51am
Excellent .. now begins the real ordeal for the lady. She has managed to get herself divorced in a society that not only considers women as a burden but divorced women have a real hard time getting married the second time.
Without improving the status of women in the society this bill is very shallow attempt at trying to prove something. Self-Independence is the key to liberating the women from the clutches of this society, and that is only possible though education.
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asim
Mar 19, 2016 12:52am
@Jainy
As a matter of fact, Trust is already vanished from that relationship where wife needs to go to police station.
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joe
Mar 19, 2016 05:10am
@Khan waliti
You mean to say she should have lived all her life as a slave .
Of she has guts which she has,soon she should be able to look after herself.
There is a story of a woman from Andra Pradesh married at young age to a Labour.
In flat 14 years today is a millionaire running her own company in USA.
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Waseem
Mar 19, 2016 10:36am
@Arsh I think if you take this case to any wise man he will start with listening and advising the parties before prescribing punishment. Police should only have right to arrest if there is present and imminent danger of women getting seriously hurt. Otherwise they need to first take both of them to physiologist or similar marriage expert who should determine best course of action for them. Effort should be to protect and fix their relationship. I have read story in authentic western news paper where a fiance shot his to be wife in stomach. She survived and still married him. There should be chance given for marriage to succeed before putting them on express train to divorce. Foreign funded NGOs are always suspicious. We need these groups from our self motivated people not motivated by foreign funds and their agenda.
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Ignorant
Mar 19, 2016 04:48pm
It is the time to stand and protect women from all kinds of ill-treatment.Due to our flawed system, such incidents will not be rare.Women protection bill is not suitable for our society. It needs amendments through ijtehad. and sad fact is our ignorant Maulana hazraat will never do anything to rescue poor women.
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independentthinker
Mar 19, 2016 11:17pm
@Shazad I find it quite interesting, when a woman files a complaint, it is automatically assumed that the man was an "animal" - although I don't see why we always compare mean people to animals - who are really not that "mean". Could it also be possible that this particular woman was not an ideal wife and by filing a complaint, she wanted to gain more control or humiliate him in society and he ended up filing for divorce. Unless we know all the facts, I don't think we are in any position to pass the judgement. All I was stating is - she filed a complaint - he filed for divorce. This marriage was not supposed to work out, so he found the right solution!
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illawarrior
Mar 20, 2016 08:27am
Sounds like divorce is the best outcome for both of them.
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illawarrior
Mar 20, 2016 08:28am
@Khan waliti Hopefully she will feed herself! Not all women are dependent on men for their meals!
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illawarrior
Mar 20, 2016 08:29am
@Faisal How long does it take and how much effort is required for a woman to divorce her husband? Compare this with how easy it is for him to divorce her. Where is the equality?
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illawarrior
Mar 20, 2016 08:30am
@Faizan Qureshi The lack of such a law is damaging even more!
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illawarrior
Mar 20, 2016 08:37am
@splash How do you figure that? I think any woman who is being tortured would welcome a divorce.
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illawarrior
Mar 20, 2016 08:40am
@Saqib Shafiq Physical violence should ALWAYS be a police matter.
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illawarrior
Mar 20, 2016 08:44am
@AdHawk Depends which country. I think all countries have child support systems in place, but in many, the spouse is deemed capable of supporting herself / himself - don't forget, it is not always one way. Sometimes the husband gets custody of the children and the wife has to pay child support. It depends on their respective incomes, and the man does not always earn more.
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illawarrior
Mar 20, 2016 08:47am
@JAK Are any of these "elders" women? Can we be sure that these elders are not beating their own wives? No - assault is a criminal offence and as such should be dealt with by police.
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illawarrior
Mar 20, 2016 08:58am
@Gp65 I can't imagine any woman would want to stay married under such circumstances.
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