DAWN - Features; 08 March, 2004

Published March 8, 2004

Prediction comes true

By F. S. Aijazuddin

Rivers personify the flow of time; they are synonyms for history. Because of their qualities of sustenance, they are often endowed with almost parental names and attributes. The Thames in England is known familiarly as 'Father Thames', the American Mississippi River immortalized in song as 'Old Man River', and the mighty Ganges River flowing across northern India revered as 'Mother Ganges'.

In his will Pandit Nehru had stipulated that after his death a part of his ashes were to be immersed in the sacred Ganges, which to him was 'a symbol of India's life-long culture and civilization, ever-changing, ever-flowing, and yet ever the same Ganga.'

The equally mighty Indus River, flowing from the north to the south through what is now Pakistan, evoked a similar but not quite as emotional a sentiment. Rather than being given a name, the Indus gave its own to the advanced communities we know today as the Indus Valley Civilization.

Mr Aitzaz Ahsan has asserted that the Indus produced a recognizably separate human type, distinct for example from the Gangetic man. His emphasis on the Indus echoed (perhaps unconsciously) an earlier identification of the Indus, not as the spine of river-fed towns and cities of which Moenjodaro is the most famous surviving remnant, but as the outer extremity of the cultural and religious reach of a Hindu India.

A Hindu was defined by Vinayak Damodar Savarkar (Hindutva's revered ideologue) as one 'who regards this land...from the Indus to the Seas as his fatherland (pitrbhumi) as well as his Holyland (punyabhumi).'

By this definition, Hinduism became for the modern Indian not simply one (albeit the major one) out of the many religions practised in the subcontinent but a composite national identity that fused geographical territory, cultural affinity and religious commitment.

When applied at the level of statehood, this distinction became sharper, yielding two main types of Indian nationalists - secular nationalists and Hindu nationalists, 'the former,' according to an Indian scholar Ashutosh Varshney, 'combines territory and culture; the latter, religion and territory.'

Nehru belonged quite clearly to the first, Gandhi unshakably to the second. Interestingly, over the years, their successors have exchanged positions. Nehru's Congress party had prided itself once on its secularist ideals.

'Congress is irrevocably committed to secularism', Mrs Indira Gandhi had written reassuringly in 1979 to the Shahi Imam of the Delhi Jama Masjid, Syed Abdullah Bukhari. The same Congress party, led by her Italian-born daughter-in-law Sonia Gandhi, is now a minority in India, and like all minorities on the defensive.

Its place as the 'sole spokesman for secularism' has been taken by the Bharatiya Janata Party (BJP), whose leaders - Mr Vajpayee and Mr Advani - are former adherents to the Hindu extremist RSS movement.

With the same ease with which Vladimir Putin (the former head of the dreaded KGB) has adapted himself to become the new Russia's democratic president, Prime Minister Vajpayee has skilfully disarmed his opponents and emerged as a symbol of Indian secularism.

At a meeting in New Delhi on February 25, 2004, Vajpayee addressed a public meeting of largely Muslim voters and said: 'I remember in earlier elections, the Congress used to tell the Muslims, 'Vote for us or they (the BJP) will send you to Pakistan. Times have changed.' Time has not changed. The BJP has.

From being an offshoot of the right-wing Jana Singh, it has moved the centre towards itself. It has succeeded in coaxing seats in the Lok Sabha away from the Congress by the subtle suggestion that the Congress' brand of secularism is in fact communalism under another name.

The BJP success over the past fifteen years has been dramatic. In 1984, BJP could garner only two seats in the Lok Sabha; in 1999 it took 182. The presence of Congress reduced from 415 seats in 1984 to only 114 seats in 1999. The results of the next election will predictably be a deepening of the BJP's permeation into the psyche of the Indian voter.

Gradually, by shifting India away from the Nehruvian policies of light-handed secularism and a heavy handed economic socialism, Vajpayee has taken India forward to an older scheme of Gandhian values, bringing it closer to a Hindu nationalist view of life. Vajpayee's electorate is the whole of India, just as Gandhi's was.

Before 1947, Gandhi had asked: 'Should we not remember that many Hindus and Muslims own the same ancestors and the same blood runs through their veins? Do people become enemies because they change their religion?' And after 1947, Vajpayee echoed this with his rhetorical remark: 'The Muslims or the Christians did not come from outside India. Their ancestors were Hindu. By changing religion one does not change one's nationality or culture.'

This might help explain BJP's current policies to Pakistani hardliners who found Mr Vajpayee's overtures, first as foreign minister and more recently as prime minister, baffling.

They were even more unnerved after they saw his relentless diplomatic initiatives consummated with the Lahore Declaration of 1999 and the joint statement signed in Islamabad early this year.

How can he make peace with Pakistan while at the same time assert his party's commitment to reconstruct a Hindu temple on the site of the now destroyed Babri Masjid in Ayodhya? The answer is with the same expertise that he can explode nuclear devices and yet write mellifluous poetry in Hindi. Not because Mr Vajpayee is two-faced, but because both are now acceptable as the new faces of the same BJP.

'India is going through a second partition,' Shrinivas Tilak has written, 'this time around it is the partition of the mind.' Another writer Ashutosh Varshney has argued that the Ayodhya issue is not about religion so much as about 'India's national identity', and a third Mukul Kesavan has put it more bluntly: 'The real estate in dispute is not the site on which the Babri Masjid once stood but the constitutional ground on which the republic is built.

The argument is about India.' A plague on both your houses, muttered a fourth - Veerappa Moily, then chief minister of the South Indian state of Karnataka: "The Ayodhya issue [is] a battle between Aryan Muslims and Aryan Hindus."

Is India's awareness of its national Hindu identity newfound, or was it simply misplaced awaiting discovery? How will this multi-faceted persona of Hindutva impact Pakistan? Ironically, following the rapprochement with Pakistan, the foreign policy of the BJP is actually more secular than its domestic one, and the reason is quite simple. India has decided that neither Pakistan as a state, nor its army, pose a threat to Indian nationhood or to its stability.

'A major goal of secularism is to protect the state from instabilities associated with religious controversy,' one analyst of the post-Ayodhya situation has written.

India extinguished Pakistan's claim to speak on behalf of all the Muslims of the subcontinent in December 1971. It diminished Pakistan's claim over Muslim representation in Jammu and Kashmir through the simple bureaucratic ruse of keeping the 1948 UN Resolutions at the bottom of the pile. And it has shown that it can protect the interest of all minorities in India, provided they learn to conform.

The true target therefore of Indian Hindutva is not the Pakistan Muslim or the Bangladeshi Muslim. (Muslims are 98 per cent of the population in one and 80 per cent in the other.) The real target of Indian Hindutva is the Indian Muslim, a vulnerable minority that will predictably be required to expiate the sins of a thousand years of domination by its forefathers.

Unlike the Pakistani Muslims who have their own ghetto in the West and the Bangladeshis who occupy a parallel in the east, the Indian Muslim has nowhere to go except abroad or to find a place within the zealously guarded religious territory of Hindutva India.

Each Indian state will gradually be required to stand up and be counted. Some like Maharashtra and Gujarat are already on their feet. It will not take others long to join the Hindutva Juggernaut.

Had the Quaid-i-Azam still been alive, he might have allowed himself a rare smile. His Lahore Resolution of 1940 foresaw two 'geographically contiguous units' with a religious majority in each become 'independent states' that were 'autonomous and sovereign.' A third - a Hindutva India spreading from the Indus to the Seas - is now coming into shape.

Living in peace - with corruption!

By Jawed Naqvi

Several years ago when I ran out of funds during an Indian election assignment for a Gulf-based newspaper, the editor forwarded my request for replenishment to the owner-publisher who assigned his chief executive officer to dispatch the money promptly to Delhi.

The next morning my friend and host in Delhi woke me up with a strange, amused smile. "There is a man from Jama Masjid with a packet of minced meat for you," he said.

It was raining, but there was a man at the door indeed, his rusty scooter helmet in one hand and the minced meat packet lodged in the armpit. He lowered the umbrella from the other hand, handed me the packet and asked: "How many bundles?" I thought for a split second and then said: "Ten".

Yes, quite unknowingly I was right. It was 10 neat packets of 10,000 rupee bundles in 100-rupee denomination. There were no further questions. The man wrung the edge of his drenched lungi and disappeared into the haze on his scooter.

We had just transacted a substantial financial deal. It was illegal, but there was no way anyone could know. There was no paperwork, no forms to fill. This was a typically simple transaction of an otherwise complex system of hundi-hawala deals rampant in South Asia.

Therefore, I was not surprised when the United States, not for the first time, listed India and Pakistan as corrupt countries, and said it made them highly susceptible to money laundering.

But I am more concerned by the warning by the Transparency International, a global watchdog against systemic corruption. A warning that came in the aftermath of 9/11.

It squarely blamed the growing scourge of terrorism on the global network of corruption. The issue therefore suddenly poses a mindboggling question.

If a dubious system of parallel economy manages to thrive in India and Pakistan separately and presumably aloof from each other's influences, what would be the scope for subversion by corruption if these forces, flourishing so well in both the countries, joined hands? What gives rise to my fear is the gross violation, at least in India, of another warning by Transparency International, which stresses that anti-corruption drives in some trouble-prone regions are often hampered by a headlong rush for privatization, currently under way on a large scale on this side of the border.

The US State Department report was couched in niceties and fluff for a variety of reasons. "With its growing financial strength, India is vulnerable to money-laundering activities even though the country's strict foreign exchange laws make it difficult for criminals to launder money," it said.

Together with Pakistan, India figures in a list of 77 countries, large and small, developed and developing, which are of 'primary concern' in terms of 'major money-laundering' activities.

"Some common sources of illegal proceeds in India are narcotics trafficking, trade in illegal gems (particularly diamonds), smuggling, trafficking in persons, corruption, and income tax evasion", the State Department said in its International Narcotics Strategy report released last week in Washington.

The report says that India's historically strict foreign exchange laws, transaction reporting requirements, and banking industry's 'know-your-customer' policy make it difficult for criminals to use banks or other financial institutions to launder money.

Rather, large portions of illegal proceeds are laundered through the alternative remittance system of 'hawala' or 'hundi', estimated to account for up to 30 per cent of India's GNP, according to the report.

I believe the US report is old hat, given the new, innovative ways both countries can and do raise black money. For example, a high component of tax evasion until recently would come from over- and under-invoicing of traded goods. But today things have changed.

There are no ready estimates of the quantum leap given to the parallel economies by the much-touted trade in information technology. Anyone can send or claim to send a software design to San Jose in the Silicon Valley via the satellite link-up from say Bangalore, and be rewarded with a fat, tax-free cheque for the abstract and intractable trade in software design.

No customs officials here to pry into your cargo.Often the earnings from this alleged trade in information technology would be channelled through a shell office in Mauritius.

And since India and Mauritius have a double taxation avoidance agreement, it becomes easy for non-resident Indians to play with the money at the Bombay bourse and make a killing before repatriating it tax-free.

Transparency International says the problem of corruption has become a political problem in many of the badly affected countries. It says that international drives against money-laundering, corporate bribes to foreign governments and the role of the diamond trade in funding African civil wars have given corruption a much higher profile.

As for 9/11, Transparency International says: "Without corruption, the terror attacks would not have been possible. To fight corruption means to fight terrorism.

But headlong rushes into privatization and liberalization, which increases the potential for corruption, have hampered anti-corruption drives in some countries, it says.

Not surprising that the US State Department report remains studiously silent on this particular issue. Or they would have to live with the odium of one Osama bin Laden succeeding where half a century of Cold War had failed: forcing a rethink on the very foundations of the western capitalist system. And thereby hangs a warning for the arriving peace between India and Pakistan.

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Not many people in Pakistan are aware that several members of the Hindu revivalist Bharatiya Janata Party had joined their fellow Pakistanis in Lahore in February 1999, barely days before the Vajpayee-Sharif summit there, celebrating Basant on someone's rooftop.

I remember that the BJP politician, Ms Sushma Swaraj, later known as the spoiler of the Agra summit, was leading the festivities, dancing, singing and showering flower petals on Pakistanis.

Now we have over 100 visiting Pakistani businessmen, who on Saturday had a taste of India's festival of colours as they played Holi in New Delhi, and promised to take the growing relationship between the two countries beyond trade and economy.

"Playing Holi here is truly overwhelming. The experience is simply moving," said leader of the Pakistani delegation for the grand 'Made-in-Pakistan' show, Sheikh Maqbool Ahmed, at a 'Holi Milan' organized by their local hosts.

Moved by the occasion, Mr Ahmed, whose face was smeared with 'gulal' or crimson-coloured powder, said: "The event will prove to be a boost to the increasing friendship between the people of the two countries. Sufi music played in the background.

Amma Jee's day out

By Karachian

A rickshaw driver has of late become very suspicious of all those passengers who want to make many short stops on their journey before reaching their final destination. He knows from experience that such passengers could take rickshaw drivers for a ride.

An elderly lady signalled him to stop one day on I.I. Chundrigar Road. She was willing to pay whatever he demanded if he agreed to drive her to many places. She had many errands to run before reaching her daughter's residence. "I'll pay you extra for your trouble," she promised.

The deal was settled. From Tower she took him to Sarafa Bazaar where she got off at a jeweller's shop while he was made to wait outside for twenty minutes or so. "Beta, don't worry, leave your meter on," she reminded him.

The next stop was Clifton where the rickshaw along with its driver was made to wait again while the dear Amma Jee went inside an apartment building and returned with a young girl who became another passenger.

From Clifton they went to Malir where the girl was dropped off at some public place. Then they headed towards Saddar to a moneychanger's shop. Next came a stop at a bank in Nazimabad. That done, off they went to Tariq Road for a quick bite at a fast food eatery (while the rickshaw wallah waited and watched) and shopping.

By this time the driver was a bit fed up with all the criss crossing around the city. More than half of his working day had been spent driving her around. He was hungry and needed a break.

He politely asked her to pay his fare and take another rickshaw. Amma Jee seemed hurt, "I am an old woman, beta. Don't desert me like this. Would you leave your own mother alone in a strange place like this?" she asked him. "If it is the fare you are worried about, then I have already given you my word that I'll pay you well." So off they went again.

It was a long drive with several stops at the petrol pump to fill the rickshaw's tank. Throughout the ride the woman inquired about the rickshaw driver's family and friends, his worries, ambitions, etc.

She was extremely chatty and the man now admits that he had actually enjoyed the conversation through the long drive. The woman made her final stop at her daughter's place in Baldia in the evening.

"I'll get your money from inside, beta. Please wait here," she told him before going inside an apartment block. She never returned. After waiting there for an eternity the rickshaw wallah raised hell.

A chowkidar came out to inquire what his problem was. The rickshaw driver told him his story and requested him to find the old woman since she owed him a lot of money. It was then discovered that the woman had not gone to any apartment. She had walked inside the compound and escaped out of the rear exit of the block.

A Karachian looks back

"When I first came to Karachi it was a sleepy town. Today I find it to be an insomniac city," says S. Shahid Husain, who is the senior adviser to the OIC's Permanent Observer Mission to the United Nations in New York.

Husain lived in Karachi until 1953, when he went to the UK and has since then been living abroad. Of these 51 years, 30 were spent with the United Nations where he worked in different capacities.

If home is where the heart is, Karachi is his home. He has been coming here regularly - at first every two years and now every year. His mother and sisters are here and, as he says, his moorings are here too.

"Karachi is a vibrant city. There can be no two ways about it. In no other city of the country you meet so many people you can relate to. It's cosmopolitan. One finds almost every kind of environment that one can think of - from traditional to modern and from obscurantist to liberal. Also intellectually it's a strong city," he says.

But on the negative side he feels that over the years the city has become more insecure both for visitors and the residents alike. A friend of his doesn't agree with him. "The city where you live is more insecure. That applies to all large cities," he counters.

"That's not entirely correct. New York may not be safe, but San Francisco is. Jeddah and Beijing, for instance, are also very safe, and they are by no means small town," insists Husain.

The changes and the developments in the city don't surprise him, for he has been coming here regularly. "If I have to shift my residence again, my destination will have to be Karachi," says the OIC man in the UN.

Culinary evolution

There is no doubt about the fact that Karachians are hearty eaters. The large number of eateries that dot this port city, catering to every income bracket, bear ample testimony to the eating habits of its citizens. However, it is interesting to note that certain varieties of food, which were considered alien to Karachi's culinary landscape a decade or so ago, are fast becoming people's favourites.

Doughnuts are the case in point. And for those of us who are so unfortunate as to not know what a doughnut is, the name of this divine treat is self-explanatory. They are basically fried cakes of dough.

Once out of the frying pan, they can be decorated, glazed and iced in any fashion one chooses. Their origin can be traced to Dutch settlers who brought doughnuts to colonial America.

Nowadays, doughnuts are so common in America that even the smallest towns in the country's rural heartland are well stocked with the sugary treats. Since the United States enjoys hegemony in all things economic, its supremacy in the food industry is not surprising.

That's why you'll get the same cheeseburger in Karachi as you'll get in New York City. Apart from the outlets of a leading American food chain, which arrived in the city some time back, doughnuts are available at humble neighbourhood bakeries. And though lacking the finish and taste of their rich American cousins, they are fast helping create a taste for doughnuts amongst the city's middle class.

Another foreign delicacy that tried to make inroads into Karachi was nachos, the crispy corn chips from Mexico which are enjoyed with cheese, salsa, mincemeat and veggies. There was a restaurant by the sea that specialized in nachos and other Tex-Mex cuisine, but it failed to click, because Karachians' taste buds were not ready for this spicy treat from North America.

Time to change

Certain vantage points of the city wear a new look, and both from points of beautification and practicality these additions are welcome ones. Prominently displayed digital clocks at Schon Circle, near PIDC and on Rashid Minhas House, the first few of a project that promises 64 other installations, go a long way in instilling some value for time in the city populace.

Apart from reminding people of the time they also have running banners displaying public service messages and to quite an extent relieve boredom amongst drivers and passengers in vehicles stalled when the signals in all three places show the red signal.

On a sub-conscious level these clocks will most definitely create a sense of punctuality, especially amongst people from the workforce and school-going children.

The most pleasing quality these clocks have is that they are not large enough to be in your face and yet the size is sufficient enough to get them noticed. A working mother who has the added responsibility of dropping both her kids to school every morning comments: "I now know exactly how much time it takes for me to drop the kids each day as every morning I check the time on the clocks and can figure out whether I am on schedule or not."

Another driver, a young banker, states that he is a safe driver now because he does not waste time checking his watch or mobile phone for the time and instead waits to reach the junction where the time is prominently displayed to motorists."

One can only hope that civic agencies do not prove to be a hindrance and not only let the rest of the 64 points in the city be covered by these clocks but allow the ones already installed to continue running. Let's hope that these clocks are maintained and repaired if and when the need arises and this effort does not simply fizzle out once the city government's attention switches on to other issues.

email: karachi_notebook@hotmail.com.

Give samachar.com a try

By Lahori

We have a smart website in India. It is samachar.com. I give you today an abbreviated, though not edited version of what some Indians think of their country. A transcript follows. Be it noted once again that I have neither crossed the ts nor dotted the is. So here goes:

Posted by: rajathkidangan (26:02:2004 14:50).

Is the US right in saying that the Indian democracy is flawed?. The US has said that the democracy in India is "long-standing" but "flawed" with allegations of corruption influencing court decisions, violence in some elections and restrictions on religious and academic freedom

Posted by: aryadurga (29:02:2004 19:36).

It is none of your business dear america. dear america, we are democracy in our own style and we know what we are doing. Please verify your records about your treatment to negroes, asians and the muslims in your own country and around the world.

what happened in the last Bush elections? finally the counting had to be stopped. And Bush was declared president. You were helpless. Is this democratic election?

And not to forget the government money used sorry, misused for the purpose of winning the elections. Even waging war against any country to get popularity. There are lot more to tell.

Please dont teach us democracy. There is a saying, those who are in glass houses dont throw stone at others. ganapathy hedge. They are absolutely right about this

Hi,

I am a IT consultant in USA. I love my motherland and also USA. But i think the congress is absolutely right in predicting India is a corrupt and flawed democracy. Basically our constitution itself is a copied one, formulated by a set of idiots who thought themselves to be intellectually capacitated to do that tough job.

And the recommendations to the parliament given by them are not reviewed properly but accepted blindly in 1950. And as constitution indirectly represents the very face of our democratic society... It is totally flawed.

Our democracy is totally outlawed, I am saying this after i saw the condition in USA. I could not believe, a country like USA exists in this world which is totally corrupt free and even the president of this country totally becomes a normal citizen the next day he is out of the office.

Our politicians are idiots and the system in our country is totally dictatorship. No normal citizen can raise his voice against govt policies, no ordinary guy can test his candidature in politics. And no one can

Posted by: samivas (29:02:2004: 18:47)

HELL WITH AMERICAN OPINION ON INDIAN DEMOCRACY!

America has its right to express its views and it has been doing so on issues affecting countries all over the world. But who cares what that country says or does anymore? For a start, it is a country nurturing gun culture not a violent-free democracy. Its democratic institutions are imperfect in many ways with flaws which can be fired at them in tons. It is a country which has a double standard for every bit of its policies, especially foreign policies! It is a country which does not want a flourishing South Asia, so why we are still not able to resolve our differences with Pakistan. Anyway, HELL WITH AMERICAN OPINION ON INDIAN DEMOCRACY!!!

We are far better off than the Yankees and our democracy survives despite all diversities!

Posted by: citizen555 (29:02:2004 02:08)

Democracy in India is "flawed":

Yes, the democracy in India is "flawed

* Corruption is so wide spread in the politics and bureaucracy. Corrupt politicians are rewarded with positions in the ministry and incorrigible ones are sitting at the CM's positions in the several states.

* Mafia and goons are running parallel governments in many states. They have nexus with the police and politicians and very often they are patronized and supported by the corrupt police officers and the politicians.

* Rigging elections is common in states like Bihar and others too.

* Child labour and abuse is rampant across the country.

* Poor people's voice is hardly heard. They are merely puppets at the hands of the bureaucrats and politicians who continue to exploit them for their selfish means.

* Killings on the name of religion and caste-wars are a common norm across the country.

Is this what you would call a true democracy?

Posted by: goklanibv (28:02:2004 11:57)

Is US right in saying that Indian Democracy is flawed?

It is right to some extend and wrong to some extent. Is there any Indian who can deny that there is corruption? I do not thing many will deny it.

Our legal system is very much flawed. My experience says the Judges are currupt. It takes too long to get justice. There are court cases that linger for decades before judgments are delivered. Parties are known to die before the judgment is delivered.

The judgment could well be based upon who is willing and able to pay the most. Poor and illiterate people get paid to vote. We need to accept this as facts, and work to improve the situation. If we do not accept our shortcomings how can we improve?

Having lived in USA for 25 years I can say US is a very religious place.US is more Christian than India is Hindu. Religious activities are practised in US at work as well as in business.

I have found church literature in Federal government offices, there are bible study classes at government offices. You can attend bible study during your lunch time.

I have stayed at hundreds of hotels and motels in US and yet to find a room which does not have a copy of bible. Many American believe that they are rich and blessed because they are Christians believe in Jesus Christ and only Christians go to heaven.

India has Christmas holidays, we have Santa Clauus. Yet more Americans do not know any of Indian festivals, there are no Hindu or Muslim holidays in US. The Americans are far behind in that respect.

India is prospering in the last few years but still it has a long way to go. It is not going to solve all Indias problems. Indian democracy is flawed in their view. America is not perfect, they have their problems. Being a world leader and super power brings its own set of problems. It requires them to take sides, be very decisive and take very risky actions when it is necessary.

Our system is very slow and flawed because were are still investigating before scandal, something that happened decades ago. Our Intelligence services did not know that Pakistan's troops were in Kargil until the whole world knew about it. We are reacting to events rather than being proactive and setting up systems which prevent this type of things occurring. India is not US. They cannot be compared.

If you do not pay your rent on the first of the month, you could be thrown out of your apartment by 5th legally by your landlord in USA. The landlord does not have to go to the court and wait 20 to 40 years, he goes to the Sheiff's office pays the fees and gets you out.

I know we don't like others to tell us our flaws. We are very defensive about it. Those who do not want India's democracy be called flawed should put their energy to get things right.

There are poor and illiterate people in America too and we can also make a movie about poverty and illiteracy in America. There are more things right about US and there are more things that are wrong about India.

India is a young democracy, it has to learn, grow and make progress in every field. The important thing is to keep moving in the right direction. May be 50 years down the road we could be so far ahead that we can say America needs to work on their democracy. It is flawed in India's view

Posted by: sunil_arv (28:02:2004: 10:52)

stop criminals from entering politics. This is what is known as brutal dictator ship. Ours is a parliament of more than 500 MP's, who are all criminals and idiots except for a selected few (like Vajpayee, and a few good ministers). Everyone else is a power monger and who wants money and media attention.

Trust me when I say this...there is a lot better world outside India. Here ends the transcript. I think you will enjoy it more if you were to read "Pakistan" for "India". Among the many things Indians and Pakistanis share their prejudices and their mechanism for self-defence. Why don't you give samachar.com a try yourself?

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