Humanity humiliated by Pakistan lynching: Vatican
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ROME: A top Vatican official has described the lynching of a Christian couple in Pakistan as a humiliation for all of humanity.
Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran, the chair of the Roman Catholic church's council for interfaith dialogue, said he had been profoundly shocked by accounts of the horrific death of Shehzad Masih and Shama Bibi.
“How can we remain impassive before such crimes, justified in the name of religion?,” Tauran said on Vatican Radio, urging Muslim leaders in Pakistan to vigorously condemn the killings.
“It is all of humanity that is humiliated,” he said, adding: “The first victims are in fact Muslims because these misdeeds give an image of Islam that is terrible."
Also read: Christian couple beaten to death for 'desecrating Quran'
The incident took place at the town of Kot Radha Kishan, some 60 kilometres southwest of Lahore.
On Wednesday, police arrested 50 villagers who were believed to be part of the mob that beat the couple to death.
The arrests included the owner of the brick kiln where 25-year-old Shama, who was pregnant at the time of the incident, and her husband Shahzad Masih worked as bonded labourers.
According to reports, more than a thousand charged people from three nearby villages tortured the couple before putting them into the kiln’s furnace on Tuesday. Police said a local religious leader had fanned the issue.
Blasphemy is a hugely sensitive issue in the country, with even unproven allegations often prompting mob violence.
Anyone convicted, or even just accused, of insulting Islam, risks a violent and bloody death at the hands of vigilantes.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:03pm
I am impressed. This is a very sensible press release.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:07pm
What a Shame.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:11pm
What really bothers me is how people can make themselves do something like this. This has happened before, more famously in Sialkot. Religion doesn't matter.
We just need an excuse to become monsters. That really creeps me out. Could be me next.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:12pm
I am a muslim and I am ashamed for the barbaric acts of illetrate mob and the local mullah who gave the hate speech. Where is law and order and where is Government? What are they waiting for? SHAME on you all who are involved.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:19pm
Security is provided by the state. Security is non existent. Water is provided by the state. Water is non existent. Electricity is provided by the state. Electricity is non existent. Education is provided by the state. Education is non existent. The list can go on and on.
To solve these problems we don't need a better state, but rather a smaller size of the government so that these things are not forced to be provided by the state. It's only by privatizing almost everything can we ever get out of this dilemma of state controlled businesses and enterprises and the resultant lack of improvement of life.
@UnshacklePak
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Nov 06, 2014 11:23pm
Astigfirrullah! Why are we taking law in our hands like this! Seriously Government needs to do something constructive to restrain perpetrators from committing such heinous crimes in the name of religion and bring the culprits to justice. If the government fails to restrain future misdoings like this then they don't deserve to rule especially when their legitimacy is being questioned everyday since the azadi march began. Holding my head in shame ...
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Nov 06, 2014 11:26pm
@Papal Seal even more perturbing is that no body knows what became of the Sialkot incident...clearly they didn't get justice but why did the media go mute afterwards...
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Nov 06, 2014 11:26pm
How can a government protect ordinary people? when their own governer of Punjab was slain by his own bodyguard.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:27pm
As Muslims generally and as Pakistanis particularly we share shame and guilt. There are no befitting words to describe such a heinous and dastardly act.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:28pm
There is no any religion which is above humanity . So respect humanity .....
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Nov 06, 2014 11:31pm
How sad for Pakistan, that its actions and disregard for decency and human rights and failure to tell right has fallen to such a low level that now even those who are guilty of protecting pedophiles get to condemn Pakistan....
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Nov 06, 2014 11:32pm
I just want to say that now my fellow Indians will come and sarcastically point out how being a Muslim country is hurting Pakistan.i wanna remind them that India has a lot of Muslims.and I dont like when some Indian comes and starts abusing the religion.my girlfriend is a Muslim.so I know and I realise its the inefficiency of a govt, not the character of a community
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Nov 06, 2014 11:32pm
Where was vatican when indians burned alive an Aussie pastor and his son, in the 90?.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:36pm
Also as this news spreads, victims would be innocent Muslims living in Christian countries.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:40pm
Well no doubt about what vatican said. No enquiry, no investigation, no courts, no verdicts. We are reduced to nothing. It has become so easy in Pakistan, Blame and Flame. Infact if one goes by numbers, mostly pakistani muslims were blamed and flamed. Shocking. But to the vatican, Palestinians were also chopped and burned, but no such statment came from it. Do good vatician, but do it everywhere.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:40pm
Also what if Vatican brings its own version of Blasephemy law and start acting on Christ bashers ? Pakistan should repeal this law before world reacts to it.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:41pm
It is simply shameful and inexcusable!
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Nov 06, 2014 11:41pm
Can't agree with you.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:43pm
A very sad event !!! but what happened in Palestine, Myanmar and in other countries with Muslims also need to be criticized in same manner as the world is criticizing for this single event !!!
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Nov 06, 2014 11:44pm
They are absolutely right when they said "Islam is the first victim". Any cleric that tries to defend this Blasphemy law is actually committing it directly, now how do we get this message across the masses in Pakistan.
This is not a Muslim in general issue this is specific to Pakistan only.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:52pm
Most of the issues that we see in Pakistan stem from a failure of the writ of government. The pretext might be religion, sect, ehnicity or anything else, but the main issue is that the government has failed to provide safety and security to the people of Pakistan.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:54pm
@Cropper nothing new
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Nov 06, 2014 11:54pm
@Unshackle Pakistan Good point. Unfortunately, this will be very hard to achieve due to the vested interests of the powers that be. The larger the size of government the easier it is for those in power to dole out favours in the form of jobs or largesse. No one is ready to cut down the size of the government whether it is politicians, bureaucrats, armed forces or even for that matter the common man.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:55pm
@guddu Religion teaches humanity...
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Nov 06, 2014 11:56pm
The puck needs to stop here. Enough is Enough. Time has come to punish all of them who were involved starting with the Mullah who incited the hatred. Make an example out of them. CM Punjab needs to stop making commissions. That is a waste of time. Time and time after we have seen, a crime is committed, people condemn it, politicians pay some money out of the treasury, media talks about it and that is the end of it. No one ever brings the culprits to Justice. The day there is justice and every one is under the law, the whole country will change.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:57pm
@Khalid Khan : Vatican condemned it, it was bigger issue in press if you recall.
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Nov 06, 2014 11:59pm
Reading most of the comments above, it feels that there is a positive inclination in the mindset of Pakistanis in accepting this as barbaric deed and condemning it whole heatedly. Good Pakistanis easily outnumber the radicals and this definitely gives a hope for a progressive Pakistan in the near future. In India whoever has read this news are shocked at such inhumanity.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:03am
So true. Islam came for humanity and here in Pakistan we have stopped being human. So strange and contradictory to what we say and practice. It's better if religion is separated from the functions of the state.At least we'll remain human.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:04am
Catholic church does plenty. Religion has been their disguise for centuries. They are the last ones that I would listen to when it comes to humanity. So please spare me the agony of profound shock from humiliation of humanity.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:13am
Reasonable by the statement but why there was no statement when the massacre happened at Burma, Palestine and other muslims states?
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Nov 07, 2014 12:13am
I agree with Vatican, Education is the Key to solve this barbaric act..
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Nov 07, 2014 12:14am
@SMI No, comparing this event to the atrocities against Muslims, in other countries, is just a lame excuse. Christians and Buddhist can also use this event as an excuse to prosecute more Muslims.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:15am
Being a Pakistani and a Muslim. I strongly condemn this act of cruelty by illterate Mullah and villagers.
But at the same time I ask the Vetican do they have courage to condemn the Bomb blast that killed over 60 innocent human beings including children and women at Wagah border few days ago. Can they also say a word of condemnation about this? or aren't those who are killed humans?
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Nov 07, 2014 12:15am
@Unshackle Pakistan - While there is some truth to the absence of the state, the much greater responsibility is on the civil society that has been whipped to a murderous frenzy over the supposed desecration charge. This is an indictment on the leaders of the village society - elders, adults, imams, teachers - all who could have talked sense, but chose to remain passive or egg the crowd on. When will society mature enough to take into stride any supposed defamation or desecration or blasphemy against the symbols of their faith? What will it take for people to interpret their own faith in less confrontational, less fascist terms?
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Nov 07, 2014 12:20am
@Papal Seal Whatever your beliefs, you are PAKISTANI first. God be with you.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:24am
No doubt this is a despicable act that further highlights the ignorance and lack of education problem Pakistan is facing but with all due respect Vatican should know better to make this distinction and not try to attribute this with ISLAM. Days of crusade are over at least that's what the hope is.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:27am
@Khalid Khan My dear Khan your tone smells bad. When we will stop picking on others?
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Nov 07, 2014 12:28am
@SMI rather than talking about others we ought to get our house in order. Just because other commit atrocities and are not criticized what relevance does that have to the impotency of the Pakistani state apparatus?
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Nov 07, 2014 12:29am
Yes this was a horrendously tragic crime where the sense of humanity was devoid by the perpetrators.
Yet the Vatican was where when millions of innocent Pakistanis and Muslims are mass murdered w/o a single iota of proof by NATO and USA's drone attacks?? Where was the Vatican when innocent Muslims were rounded up and tortured in Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo, Baghram and other black operations which were exempt from the rule of law? Where is the Vatican when other Catholics were brutally murdered by Modi's butchers in Gujrat and in the rest of India, when Catholic nuns and priests were killed in cold blood by Hindu extremists??
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Nov 07, 2014 12:31am
Very sad!! These barbaric people must be punished quickly and harshly.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:48am
@Muhammad Furqan Apparently one doesn't...
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Nov 07, 2014 12:48am
How can we tolerate this act of barbarism. The state must set an example by giving strict punishment to all the people involved in the killing of Pakistani Christian couple. I am ashamed as a Pakistani and Muslim today on the killing of two individuals by a mob of people in the name of religion.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:49am
@DMDiL You don't think ISIS people are educated?
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Nov 07, 2014 12:53am
This is a grisly murder of humanity.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:54am
@ENIGMA Well said...you are right on money. This is the way to handle it. I think we need more of these to match what other countries are presumably doing.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:57am
@abhas Thanks for a very smart and intelligent comment. Not sure of the relevance but you seem to have got the key consideration on the topic.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:57am
Cardinal Jean-Louis Tauran lynching was done by uneducated people and I am sure you are aware of educated peoples's act in war affected countries. This act can not be related to Islam. There are many good things happening due to Islam but you do not have time to mention.
I wish a day will come when Pakistan people will be educated as British rule destroyed this region by leaving people uneducated and also by dividing them in different countries. And most of all division was done controversial to make things worst. Dare to condemn this too
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Nov 07, 2014 01:02am
For the sake of Allah pease stop this barbaric acts. Respect other religions.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:04am
Ofcourse what happened in Pakista must be deplored but where was humanity when so many Palestinians were killed by Israel? Why was Vatican quite at that time?
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Nov 07, 2014 01:08am
"Joan of Arc" reminds me humanity died at that time too. Crusaders earlier killed so many non-Christians, Vatican must have condemned them earlier, I must have missed that.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:10am
I think the Pope must also include Christians, Jews and Buddhists in his comments.
Serbian Christians who massacred Bosnian Muslims in terrifying manner for five years.
Bhuddist monks in Myanmar who have killed Muslims on a large scale and made thousands homeless as we speak.
Israeli Jews who bomb, torture and imprison Palestinian citizens.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:13am
@Khalid Khan The Vatican condemned that too. The difference was that the killers were caught and punished. Your country might learn something from that.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:15am
Why to blame the government for everything?. People elect politicians to run the government and the anarchy is in the culture of intolerance. There is not even any question on the freedom of speech or religion but here the very physical existence of minorities is questioned and their actions suspected. Let us stop pointing fingers to India and Indians accusing Pakistanis. Both countries have the history of human rights violations and Pakistan's record is the worst. All religions are created by humans and it is high time people think for themselves and inculcate the culture of rational thinking.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:15am
@Khalid Khan being a muslim admit what happened was wrong
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Nov 07, 2014 01:19am
@shami I doubt the Vatican needs 'courage' to condemn the wagah incident. The difference in this case seems to be Christians killed by Muslims for 'blasphemy'. Whereas Wagah is about Muslims killing Muslims for not being the right kind of Muslims.
The Vatican officially opposed all kinds of killing including the death penalty.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:28am
People need clarity in their thinking. Everybody condemns this horrible crime but most support the law that triggered it.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:30am
@Papal Seal, As long as the law that triggers these crimes against humanity is there, these atrocities will continue.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:31am
@Mohammad akhtar, Are you in favor of repealing the law that triggers these crimes?
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Nov 07, 2014 01:34am
i am horrified and disgusted for the death of Christian couple in pakistan .
apparently police have arrested 50 people and i am surs this news is for the Media and nothing m ore than that
the real criminals are the mullahs who created this , those should have been arested
but these mullah got nawaz government protection . and no body dare to touch these real criminals
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Nov 07, 2014 01:46am
@Khalid Khan : Yes Vatican has strongly protested that incident. Though the reason were different in these two case. Aussie pastor was trying to convert poor people of Orissa into Christianity. At last the convicted people get life imprison by all court are they are behind bar till now.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:46am
@Harris Mustafa
Could it be the impotency of Pakistani public too which participates in such actions? Can we name a single place where public outrage was expressed? Did the educated elite start dharnas around the country to show their disgust?
This is the kind of crime that calls for public hanging of the kiln owner and the mullah involved.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:47am
@Unshackle Pakistan So, are you saying security will improve if our police and other security forces in the country were privatized? Otherwise, I do not see the context of your comment.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:51am
It's neither Pakistan nor Islam - these kind of fanatics are in all parts of the world. On the other hand, govt. of Pakistan failed to sentence all these culprits causing huge influx toward this and other similar hate crimes.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:57am
This is not the only issue arising due to blasphemy, several others have also shocked in past. But what the legislators of this country are doing? Why don't they seriously control it? What are they afraid of?
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Nov 07, 2014 02:00am
What have the legislators of this country done so for to avoid such heinous crimes? What are they afraid of?
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Nov 07, 2014 02:01am
things can change in Pakistan in particular and muslim world in general only if we the muslims have the correct knowledge of Islam which I am sure we can not get from those who are educated in Madrassas. Unless this system of education change we the muslims are doomed for next 500 years.
May our ALLAH (SWT) give all of us guidance and correct understanding of our religion (Ameen)
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Nov 07, 2014 02:12am
@Naseer Yes!! this needs to stop because it takes away from the atrocities that were done and make the commentators seem callous. This wasn't right at all by any standards - it needs to be condemned and as Payal mentioned it is being done across all factions of society.
Unfortunately, the laws of thh country are so weak that there is no deterrent to prevent it from happening in the future. Need of the hour is to work towards it by lawmakers. Please.
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Nov 07, 2014 02:16am
The problem is such incidents repeat. No one is brought to justice.
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Nov 07, 2014 02:18am
I agree with what the Vaticans have said. However, they seem to turn a blind eye when the west goes and kills millions in the name of war.
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Nov 07, 2014 02:19am
@Najam Why
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Nov 07, 2014 02:20am
That's true humanity humiliated not only by this incident but also every where else like Israel's attacks on innocents Muslims in Gaza in recent months. I strongly condemned this inhuman act in Pakistan
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Nov 07, 2014 02:22am
@Ravi Dallas TX reallyy!!!
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Nov 07, 2014 02:23am
Where is the Justice ? Was Qadri punished ? were the culprits in Sialkot incident punished ? Reason you keep on seeing this nonsense is that there is no justice. Hang the killers, whoever they may be, and you will see it stopped.
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Nov 07, 2014 02:24am
It is very sad that people can do something like this to another human being.
Those who have committed this crime needs to be punished severely so others never repeat this kind of thing.
We are all God's people and no religion is superior than another. You should never kill in the name of religion and God certainly does not want you to do it.
The problem in Pakistan is lack of education. It also lacks leaders who can teach tolerance and good morals and ethics.
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Nov 07, 2014 02:26am
How sad that it has come to this - the Vatican reminds us of a quote that is widely known to the Muslims of the Prophet (S.A.W)" Killing one human is as if you have killed all of humanity". Yes, human (irrespective of their faith and belieffs)- it doesn't say Muslim. So muslim or otherwise, the human life is sacred and to be protected by the followers, not what was ..... can't even write it.
Education, education, education. and knowledge not just the degrees is the way for our people. It will stop them from getting brainwashed into following anyone blindly.
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Nov 07, 2014 02:34am
I can only pray to Shri Radha Kishan to release humanity from this madness. For too long vested interests have used faith for personal profit and vendettas. Faith is supposed to make us peaceful, calm and focussed on higher aspects of life. The people who did this have no faith at all. Sheer mob behavior.
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Nov 07, 2014 02:35am
No doubt this is a shameful act of barbarism that is totally against Islam. Who gave the right to the people to do such a thing?
But this official should also release a press release for the innocent Muslims being cruelly martyred all over the world especially in Palestine. This is called double standards of the west!!!
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Nov 07, 2014 02:50am
@Ravi Dallas TX Muslims revere Christ as a Mighty Prophet of God. We believe in the Virgin Birth, we believe Christ is the Word of God.
I think we got that covered, Ravi.
Coming back the event at hand, shameful beyond words.
The perpetrators should be tried to the fullest extent of law. Hopefully given death sentence (and carried).
I too am a Muslim!
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Nov 07, 2014 03:20am
Mullah, Kiln owner and all rest involved should be lynched publically. Inquiry by the government is bogus - nothing ever comes out of these inquiries. This useless government needs to be thrown out.
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Nov 07, 2014 03:41am
@SLKN culprit?? I hope it is just slip of fingers on keyboard..
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Nov 07, 2014 03:45am
I admire the statement from Vatican. This indeed is the most barbaric and inhumane. Could not keep emotions in check while reading the details of two innocent human being burnt to death. I will ask the entire world regardless of their religion to come together to force government of Pakistan to punish these monsters to make them an example out of them for the history so non one will ever dare to commit such a horrific act again. Let's stop this religious nonsense and menace once for all in every society
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Nov 07, 2014 03:49am
Even a 1000 people lynched them they should all be executed. There is no justification for the lynching in an Islamic Society.
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Nov 07, 2014 03:57am
@Khalid Khan
many were burnt alive by Christians in dark ages, millions killed by Gangis Khan, Hitler is not a name from too far back in history... the thing is that humanity has evolved and is evolving the way it is destined to by Allah... all are except Muslims.
We have to look for the reason, friend, not bury our heads under the sand
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Nov 07, 2014 04:12am
What a shameful act. Even during medieval times did not happen. These people are such a shame to humanity. People can be so brutal and can inflame the innocent people...
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Nov 07, 2014 04:16am
@abhas closing ur eyes does not make the world good.... the fact that a mulla incited the mob is a food for thought
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Nov 07, 2014 04:18am
Simply Shameful and disgusting. Pakistan paying the heavy price of investing in useless madarsas instead of proper schools in villages.
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Nov 07, 2014 04:19am
I think all human beings are sacred and should be protected at all cost but when thousands of Muslim are slaughtered children are killed , Muslim women are raped no Human rights or International medIa even bother to give any news about it.
Is the blood of a Muslim men children women cheaper than water.
I strongly condemn this act but the world should treat everybody equally not just because they are of any particular religion
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Nov 07, 2014 04:27am
@sharic Why Vatican should issue a statement on killing of muslims.....why not OIC....let's put our house in order and not worry about the others..
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Nov 07, 2014 04:34am
This is a result of 74% illiteracy rate in Pakistan. There should be an education emergency in Pakistan. The mullahs should get their sermons approved by the government just like Saudi Arabia and Turkey until the literacy rate gets to at least 90%.
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Nov 07, 2014 04:49am
Hi, Yes it was such a barbaric act. It should never have had happened. But, sir were you sleeping when israel was bombing on thousand of innocent palestine people???
Double standards of this world & its leader
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Nov 07, 2014 04:50am
@Khalid Khan
The guily persons got the capital punishment.
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Nov 07, 2014 05:11am
Punjab and Punjabis never fall short of humiliating Pakistan - such is the history of Pakistan
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Nov 07, 2014 05:15am
Love the statement.
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Nov 07, 2014 05:18am
A v good reason for sharifs to resign.
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Nov 07, 2014 05:19am
@Khalid Khan
The person responsible that terrible crime was tried in a court of law and initially sentenced to death. His sentence was commuted to life (in prison) where he remains.
Is there a similar precedent in Pakistan?
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Nov 07, 2014 05:23am
Blasphemy law must be repealed effective immediately, regardless of the consequences. There is no room for tolerance or patience any longer. Taunting anyone religiously should be declared a misdemeanor.
If anyone loves their religion in an extremist way, good for them. I can respect their love for their religion. But their extremism should not be allowed to leave their home by any means.
Government and Police's mandate is to protect and serve everyone, not just a selected few; invoke religion on this thought!
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Nov 07, 2014 05:27am
@Ravi Dallas TX
Muslims don't bash Christ. Muslims respect and consider Christ a prophet, and believe in second coming of Christ.
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Nov 07, 2014 05:31am
Pakistan should BAN ALL MULLAHS GIVING HATEFUL PREACHINGS
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Nov 07, 2014 05:31am
damn getting tolded by the vatican, thats a new low
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Nov 07, 2014 05:36am
Disgrace
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Nov 07, 2014 05:37am
Imagining the baby inside her, as she was beaten, as she was burned. It makes me sick. We will be our own undoing.
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Nov 07, 2014 05:51am
Unfortunately these shameful & horrible news keep coming from Pakistan especially from Punjab province.
It's imperative that these culprit one person or hundreds must face justice in legal terms.
Unless people know for sure this kind of behavior will end up them in Jail for life or death penalty, that's the only way we can minimize these acts in future.
I doubt we can eradicate this completely in near future due to the lack of education and many more reasons.
RIP Masih Family!
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Nov 07, 2014 05:54am
@abhas really my freind , so 1000 mob was part of govt not community , ah no wonder such crime can be justified easly in pak!!!
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Nov 07, 2014 05:55am
@Khalid Khan ok so if india did wrong , you will follow the same , foolish man
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Nov 07, 2014 05:55am
Only individuals can be psychopaths. NO. Nations can also turn into psychopaths, if it goes through the similar experiences in its childhood. Pakistan is the name of psychopath country. It can still act as a normal human loving nation, but in fact it is only the impression it gives unless it gets another opportunity to kill, massacre, humiliate innocent humans like a beast who has no concept of human
values and spreads gore in its most gruesome graphics and has absolutely no compunction or remorse in behaving like a cheetah killing a buck. It is a shame for the whole world as the world lets them live with us.
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Nov 07, 2014 05:57am
@SMI because root cause of this problemis islamic study madrasas , no other rwligion bother others but you guys always want everyone conveconverted to islam , live example was at cricket stadium where shrilankan player was threatened
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Nov 07, 2014 05:58am
@IMRAN
British left 60 years and they did not divide the country. Elite muslims wanted their own homeland and they got it. One thing they left is good education system, good trained leaders and good political system. It is up to peoples of Pakistan and India who to shape its country.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:01am
@Khalid Khan Are you justifying this barbaric act just because Indians also did it? As they say two wrongs don't make a right.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:02am
@Mohammad akhtar Writing is easy! Work hard to change the law. Everyone should be free to express their opinion even for or against any religion. Shame to the bigots. Muslim countries are left light years behind because of such practices. If you don't believe in progress, stop using modern technology, automobiles, internet etc. Go back to stone age. Abuse of power leads to anhilation of your culture and society if there is one.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:13am
@ENIGMA
Do you know how much is a million ? Even If a quarter of a million people are murdered, it's called genocide.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:28am
These things are happening in Pakistan because there is no law and order .gulllu butts are everywhere
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Nov 07, 2014 06:38am
The barbaric act is totally despicable. Pakistan must officially mourn and fly the flag half-mast for three days. However, where is the Catholic church when innocent Palestinians are massacred, where does their humanity go then? Why they keep quite when Western powers pound Muslim women and children unabated and call them collateral damage? Alas the church applies their moral principles selectively, just like the imperial powers.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:38am
This is the real pakistan. Zar and Shar's pakistan.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:44am
@Khalid Khan : The man who burnt the Aussie pastor iwas sentenced to death by an Indian court. Can you say the same of the barbarians in your country who killed the Christian couple? Its better to be silent than expose once ignorance.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:52am
I am Muslim but now I am so ashamed that I cannot see eye to eye to others and to be honestly I trust Vatican more than Coward Mullahs.
Wake up Pakistan, Wake up Pakistan because it is too late.
I hope people will come on street and lead the country to right path and remove these corrupt politicians and Mullahs.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:52am
@Khalid Khan that was tit for tat violence. Before to that they have with arrond 50 people with Christian convertion agenda gunned down a highly respected Hindu dayananda saraswati who in his entire life worked for the welfare of tribal people and worked against the convertion to Christianity in the name of missionary work.I am from the same state of Orissa and same dist. where this occurred.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:53am
@abhas but you are wrong again. What character you are talking off. If I write more succinctly Dawn would not publish it. Look inside yourself. And you said girfriend, Please both of you go to any mosque in Pakistan and anounce that she is my girlfriend, you will end up in the same kiln my dear.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:54am
@Payal they are 0.0000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000001%, and they have always been there.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:55am
@Harris Mustafa : Precisely. The response of most to this heinous crime augers well, but to those few who seek to deflect attention away from what is a cancer within, I say put your own decaying house in order first.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:57am
The pope is justified in his outrage, however I would appreciate it more if he and the papal institution were less selective in their morality. Just today the International Criminal Court has ruled that Israel's crimes were not grave enough to be prosecuted by the court when the Israeli soldiers board a Turkish ship and murdered nine human right activists in 2010. May be the pope and other Western moral police can explain that if all humans have been created equal, why some lives are more equal than others.
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Nov 07, 2014 06:58am
@Khalid Khan - those in India who burned the pastor and his son are on death row. And anyway, what has India to do with this? Please be sensible. This is a Pakistani matter.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:00am
Truly ashamed
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Nov 07, 2014 07:01am
@Khalid Khan Dara Singh who killed the Australian missionary in the state of Odhisa, and his two sons has been found guilty and serving life sentence.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:02am
I entered one comment and here is another one:
I agree with Vatican but Vatican should also give same statement when innocent Palestinian gets killed or matter of fact any innocent human beings then really I would respect them with my heart.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:02am
For the first time in my life I feel ashamed being a Pakistani.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:03am
@ENIGMA ; the name behind which you hide confirms, sir, that your though processes are indeed puzzling. Why do you deflect from the core subject to rant about other issues that have been dealt with a multitude of times at various levels. Two wrongs (indeed millions of wrongs) don't make it right.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:08am
The world should demand answers from Pakistani Government of NS, who has no idea what is happening in his backyard.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:11am
@Umair Khalid : Mr Khalid, if you read more widely you would know that the Vatican (and I would normally be the last to support the Papal State) and MOST Western societies support ALL the unfairly displaced people of Palestine, and condemn the continuing expansion of (fanatical, religious) Jewish settlements. Note the words "fanatical" and "religious" -- the underlying causes that are a pox on all religions.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:12am
@guddu;
"There is no religion which is above humanity . So respect humanity ....."
Only thing I would like to add is to beware of selective humanity, hanging Hasina is hanging one Islamic leader every other week in Bangladesh.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:16am
We are Muslims and we strongly condemn this barbaric act of this fistful so called Muslims.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:18am
@IMRAN : How wrong can you be? Pakistan has had 67 years to get its house in order. How long do you want to keep blaming the colonial power, especially in education. Education was one of the great pillars - besides the system of government, law, the telegraph and road systems -- bequeath by Britain. It was Bhutto and Zia who began the rot by turning the systems of governance and the introduction of Sudi-funded madrassas that have sent Pakistan into a downward spiral. Brother, heal thyself!
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Nov 07, 2014 07:19am
What a shame the vatican only has eyes focused on muslim crimes. It was a crime but he world is blind to the christian crimes only rhis week a lady was tied to a tree shot with arrows and burned whilst still alive in paraguay on 5th nov. So why is a similar crime given so much coverage .
amd no one bothered with Christian crimes namely killing 1 million plus iraqis and destroyimg tjeir whole civilisation and country from sewage treatment to electricity supllies to schools and agricultre
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Nov 07, 2014 07:21am
@Khalid Khan I guess you have not read their press release.... or u were just learning English by then.... please refer to their archives.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:23am
@Sajid Ansari : You have nailed the root cause of this problem, which will keep occurring until this evil, vexatious piece of legislation is removed.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:30am
Amazing to see readers criticizing the Vatican for not commenting on some other issues. Wake up ans deal with the issues at hand . Detracting from tis barbaric and savage incident does not help anyone. Should we be surprised if people dont consider Pakistan part of the civilized world?
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Nov 07, 2014 07:32am
Totally concur with the press release from Vatican. I believe our beautiful Islam has been hijacked in Pakistan by a bunch of ignorant people. Foremost, our Islamic scholar should take the responsibility to speak up openly against these barbaric crimes against humanity. This Blasphemy Law should be repealed which has been misused in our society because corrupt judiciary, politicians and so called religious scholars.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:32am
@Khalid Khan Dear friend... Please tell me where was internet then?
If you haven't read the news, it doesn't mean news didn't occur.. Come out of the well and witness the ocean.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:39am
@Khalid Khan : Vatican worries because of recurrance of such killings periodically in pakisthan...
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Nov 07, 2014 07:41am
@Ravi Dallas TX They'd lynch and kill in the name of religion again and again... Learn to tolerate and respect in the name of religion for once. Ashamed to be called a Muslim by such acts, as if ISIS wasn't enough of a disgrace to Islam and Muslims. Can we fall any lower than this.... I doubt it but again, we are talking about Pakistan, anything's possible here.....
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Nov 07, 2014 07:52am
Tragic. The lack of justice for victims is the root cause of all cruel activities. If criminals know they are going to face severe punishment then no one would participate in such barbaric acts.
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Nov 07, 2014 07:59am
The fact that these are people of a community that did this barbaric act. These are fathers, Sons , Brothers who killed in the most inhuman way. This is frightening that a group of people can be manipulated to act in this brutal manner. It is even more worrisome that people can use the pretext to kill from the Religion. There has to be a attar misunderstanding of Religion in order to
justify this as a reason. I feel ashamed and extremely sad.
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Nov 07, 2014 08:04am
@Khalid Khan that was different in the sense that he was involved in religion conversion of the tribals and àfor that incident a political party was wiped from that state afterward
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Nov 07, 2014 08:09am
This man did not say a word when 60 innocent Muslim civilians died at wagah border.
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Nov 07, 2014 08:14am
@shami
Silly to expect the vatican to respond to everything. These people were killed in the name of religion. The wagah incident was due to political (terrorism that has been created and nurtured in Pakistan ) reasons. The focus according to me has to be on the essence of the message. The people of Pakistan have to wake up,put religion in the back burner(God can take care of himself) destroy this disease that is killing the country from the inside. Remember Pakistan was created not because they loved Islam, it because they hated other religions. Nothing can be built on hate. Lets get rid of the hate, put on a new pair of glasses and will world will look more acceptable and more like you.
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Nov 07, 2014 08:22am
@Mohammad akhtar sir i agree with your comment. we as a indians again and again requesting people like you, to draw attentions towards people like hafis saiyed who openly hates indians and nonmuslims. yr govt is not taking any action.poor nonmuslims are cruelly killed by pakistan extremist. how big loss these elements are giving to your country imagine. one day you people will be isolated from the world. pl do more and pressurised yr govt to act strickly against extremist. we respect people of pak like you.
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Nov 07, 2014 08:35am
@Ravi Dallas TX : Mr. Ravi, the America, you talk too much. You are a Hindu living in Big D and probably know a lot of Pakistani Muslims and how many do you know who have been victimized in Christian America. Stop being a Pundit on a Pakistani newspaper and if I ever find out who are you then I am going to report you to some agency within Texas so you can be monitored over derogatory remarks about the country that has given you livelihood and a good living. So be careful what you say and type from Dallas, Texas.
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Nov 07, 2014 08:40am
This kind of publicity is bad for Pakistan. Now a days, many european countries have a question in their VISA application. Have you been to any of these countries within tha last ten years?. The name of Pakistan is first. I wonder how the VISA applications of Pakistani people are treated. I have avoided travelling to Pakistan although I find pakistani people with whom I talk to be sensible and educated. These educated people should try to change the society and correct the education system.
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Nov 07, 2014 08:42am
As crimes, atrocities, murders, beheadings, torture etc etc happen more in the name of Islam as a religion .. i'm beginning to think that Islam may be the best religion, but its followers are definitely the worst .. and there are too many misinterpretations of scripture causing this utter humiliation in the eyes of other religions and this world.
Ashamed and totally disgusted at these acts against other humans IRRESPECTIVE of the religion they follow. I live abroad and these people are more human without religion than we are with the best of the religion, what excuse can we present to that?
Imam Ali (AS) has said: "Respect your fellow human beings, because they are either your equals in faith, or equals in creation."
There is nothing more to it .. there is no need to kill humanity on the basis of religion .. and if one's belief is so strong about religion, then let justice be served by Allah Himself and not people.
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Nov 07, 2014 08:43am
Just wait, there shall be a lot of support for this act by the Pakistanis. They might start Blasphemy proceedings against any tweets which is against this.
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Nov 07, 2014 08:59am
Looks like murder became legal. I heard a muslim killing another muslim saying that he uttered some thing non-islamic. So easy to die in Pakistan.
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Nov 07, 2014 09:00am
If NS government does not act against this crime then they have in fact committed Blasphemy by tarnishing the image of a religion practiced by over a billion people. NS and his cronies should taste the medicine of Blasphemy law. This will be a proof if they realy believe in humanity or butchery as practiced vast swath of illiterate masses in the name of religion.
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Nov 07, 2014 09:01am
A new low ...
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Nov 07, 2014 09:02am
There is no shame in Pakistan. These people are very capable to stoop to new low.
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Nov 07, 2014 09:07am
@ENIGMA Dusroke pap batanese apne pap kum nahi hote.........
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Nov 07, 2014 09:07am
Like every new company most religion fail after few hundred years and some last 3500-5000 years. The way things are going the day of new religion are coming nearer. Sikhism and Bhai faith is an example. Bhai faith is spreading fast and the only way the fanatics can control is to kill. Religion is practiced by addressing the inner most fears and that is death. If you you start killing people then you are basically killing the faith and humanity. We are all one- there is no right and no wrong. If there are let's say 100 religions in the World then chances of one being on the right path is only 1%. Would you kill someone for this kind of low probability?
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Nov 07, 2014 09:11am
The lynch mob should not worry and make bigger ovens to defend their religion. The fire from Sky is getting ready for it's target
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Nov 07, 2014 09:11am
such incident wont stop without retaliation........xtians will be lynched in all islamic countries slowly and slowly
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Nov 07, 2014 09:19am
Dear brothers, please come out of Stone age mentality and show flexibility according to need of time.
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Nov 07, 2014 09:20am
Shame on us shame on our leaders who do not have the courage to repeal in humane laws. Islam abused Muslims shamed
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Nov 07, 2014 09:23am
Rightly said ... very much barbaric act .. they have complete backing from Pakistanis ... that is why this type of things are happening ... Pakistan should be declared terrorist country and no foiegn investment must not happen ... UN and UNSC should take control of nuclear bombs as there is high risk of going it to the hands of muslim terrorists ...totally Pakistan is completely failed state
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Nov 07, 2014 09:29am
@sharic : "But to the vatican, Palestinians were also chopped and burned, but no such statment came from it. Do good vatician, but do it everywhere."
Palestinians not killed by a blood thirsty mob, encouraged by a fanatic mullah for their religion. That was a totally different issue. and why are you blaming vatican. Even ARABS didn't say a word for Palestine
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Nov 07, 2014 09:29am
Problem doesn't exist only in government or law only. Problem is with us. I don't see any protests, rallies or even candle March anywhere against blasphemy law or mullah. All good citizen active in comments only.
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Nov 07, 2014 09:32am
@Khalid Khan : "Where was vatican when indians burned alive an Aussie pastor and his son, in the 90?"
Vatican did condemn it for your kind information. And BTW, it was one incident that happened 2 decades ago in India and you are still citing it. Such incidents happen every week in Pakistan!! Grow up dude!! Blaming India for everything won't solve your problems
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Nov 07, 2014 09:36am
@Khalida Khurshid : "I think the Pope must also include Christians, Jews and Buddhists in his comments. Serbian Christians who massacred Bosnian Muslims in terrifying manner for five years. Bhuddist monks in Myanmar who have killed Muslims on a large scale and made thousands homeless as we speak. Israeli Jews who bomb, torture and imprison Palestinian citizens."
So, you are justifying the burning of this christian couple by citing all these rubbish examples. Well done!! Why blame the mullahs for the downfall of Pakistan when people like you still reside there
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Nov 07, 2014 09:38am
Mob from three villages, thousands in number, tortured a pregnant lady and then burned her and her husband alive. This incident is mind boggling. It shows that there are not few fundamentalists that have taken religion to extreme levels, it's all down to common people. If they can commit such barbaric act with slightest provocation, can anyone wonder that they can easily turn into anything with similar provocation. I am reading comments that mentions similar incidents happening elsewhere in the world. This is even more worrying, because it shows that people are trying to defend such gory event.
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Nov 07, 2014 09:41am
@amber usman : Why are you ashmaed for the first time ?? Such incidences happen in Pakistan every week.
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Nov 07, 2014 09:44am
@Khalid Khan So you are justifying, for what Indians did, so why Pakistan should be behind.
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Nov 07, 2014 09:45am
Blasphemy law should be abolished in its entirety! I am sick of people moaning how the couple were not brought to court, not legally proven guilty etc etc. The problem is that NOONE should be penalized for doing whatever they want as long as they are not harming the others. and by harming the others i mean bodily, mental or environmental harm, not insecurities!
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Nov 07, 2014 09:46am
Those who should be humiliated by these incidents do not care a damn, those around the world unable to swallow such barbaric behavior are the ones humiliated. Pakistan seems to be in a hurry to take the country to the seventh century, that it was an era of lawlessness not utopia, but who cares.
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Nov 07, 2014 09:53am
@Unshackle Pakistan By the same logic: In US unemployed person dosent get healthcare because he can't afford it...how frustrating, they cant build houses because they cant get loan as there was housing collapse...how frustrating, A homeless person doesnt have money, so no phone, no address, leads to no job and hence no money..how frustrating. HENCE in the US, people dont know much about Pakistan and Pakistanis (they are so preoccupied with their own problems) and therefore they shouldnt bother much about drone strikes in Pakistan and killing Pakistanis. See! now you wont like the same logic.
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Nov 07, 2014 09:54am
okay what about killing of innocent Muslims all around the world like India, Burma etc. killing of a Muslim isnt humiliation for all of humanity?????
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Nov 07, 2014 09:54am
@amber usman and this would not be the last time.
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Nov 07, 2014 09:57am
Some people say that their religion is superior to other religion. Their religion is the true religion. When an earthquake strikes it kill and injure people from all religions equally. Why it does not spare people of superior religion? Similarly floods, typhoons and other natural calamities do not spare people of superior religion, why? Sun sustains life on earth and it gives required light, heat and energy to everyone irrespective of their religion. Oxygen is created for everyone to breath. If an object strikes earth it may wipe all human beings on this earth irrespective of their religion, as happened when dinosaurs were wiped of the earth. All these only indicate that all religions are manmade. God has made everyone equal with same colour of blood. I don't understand why people keep on fighting and killing each other. Our earth's life is limited. It may be for few years or for few billion years (when sun will exhaust its fuel and burst with such a blast that will destroy everything in our solar system). So why not come out of your fake ego and be grateful for everything we have. The main purpose of life is to enjoy it and if you have hate in your mind for anything or anyone you cannot enjoy this life to fullest.
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Nov 07, 2014 10:01am
@Tina why do u forget about yr own country??
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Nov 07, 2014 10:01am
@shami Ask any educated non-muslim in the entire world and they will tell you that No muslim country ever regrets non muslims being prosecuted in Muslim countries or elsewhere. When you are sympathetic to others, you do get reciprocated. 6 Pakistanis got beheaded in Saudi in last few months which is barbaric but it didnt create a flutter in Pak, however if a monstrous terrorists like Kasab was beheaded in India (instead of hanged after a prolonged public trial), Pakistanis will cry on top of their lungs.
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Nov 07, 2014 10:02am
why humanity is not humiliated when Israel kill Muslims? arent Muslims are human???
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Nov 07, 2014 10:06am
@Khalida Khurshid You are right, this is a proper justification by a Muslim to give certificate to kill Christians
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Nov 07, 2014 10:08am
@Khalid Khan It was not a mob but a particular goon named Dara Singh.. but crime is crime.. i remember when i watched this incident on India's most wanted for the first time and was crying not because two people were killed but because "1 australlian father and his two innocent young kids were burnt alive, now what will world think of us" I was very young that time guess 5 or 6 years old.. and yes you rightly pointed, it also happened coz of religious extremism.
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Nov 07, 2014 10:13am
Irony is, that as per name of town (Radha Kishan), it must have been a purely Hindu populated town say 70-80 years back, and all hindus killed or converted to islam. Now the town is in news for lynching of two christians. Millions of hindus went missing in kashmir (and 49 million in Bangladesh).a biggest genocide that never got reported.
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Nov 07, 2014 10:13am
@Ravi Dallas TX , Are you kidding! I never knew that Dallas, TX is a Hindu State.
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Nov 07, 2014 10:16am
@Khalid Khan The killers of pastor got punished by court..lets see what your Court does to criminals! It is such a shame, that as a Pakistani, the only thing you can do is 'compare' with India. Why dont u compare that since Independence, India sent a mission to Mars..while Pakistan is still busy just sending terrorists to India??
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Nov 07, 2014 10:16am
As if Pakistan cares about what the world says or thinks!!!
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Nov 07, 2014 10:17am
@saad s how about mulsims first condemning ISIS, and killing of thousands of muslims by ISIS?
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Nov 07, 2014 10:18am
@DMDiL Forget education, first ban those Madrassas!
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Nov 07, 2014 10:19am
@Sameer In India, anybody can get converted to any religion at their will unlike in Pakistan. So your justification is not valid. Please say that the accused were prosecuted and are in jail as per the law.
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Nov 07, 2014 10:21am
@IMRAN boss, stop blaming others for all your problems..u r blaming British for your jihadi terrorism? well, how did british destroy your education system, by teaching u English? Why dont u blame your own people, your mullahs, and politicians, and your Madrassa-based education system..
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Nov 07, 2014 10:26am
Khalid how do you know that the Vatican did not condemn that act in India ???? Do you read all the newspapers of the world ?? Don't condone the barbarous acts in Pakistan. You are really going back to the 6th century barbarism. Your un-educated mullahs incite your un-educated mobs. I am not Indian nor Pakistani............ not even a religious person. But, I am above you all because I believe in humane treatment and humanity. Your antiquated laws in Pakistan protects and support your barbarism which is done in the name of religion.
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Nov 07, 2014 10:29am
@Khalid Khan That incident was just an exception and the one who did the crime was punished....Now?
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Nov 07, 2014 10:29am
----- Since 1947,
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Nov 07, 2014 10:31am
@SMI I think you know it very well that christians and even jews in the West rallied against Gaza killing..now tell me, in which islamic world, muslim rally against such barbarism.
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Nov 07, 2014 10:32am
Just read the comment......Muslims for all the barbarism has one justification - Palestinian killings as if we haven't heard Muslims killing muslims in Iraq, Syria and other islamic country.
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Nov 07, 2014 10:33am
@Muhammad Furqan Yeah so much of humanity i see in islamic world
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Nov 07, 2014 10:33am
Gaza, gaza, Gaza, gaza, Gaza, gaza, Gaza, gaza, Gaza, gaza, Gaza, gaza, Gaza, gaza!!
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Nov 07, 2014 10:47am
@Khalid Khan
apne gunaho ko chupane ke liye similar gunah india me dundhna kab band karoge....................
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Nov 07, 2014 11:01am
Stop blaming the government for the society's sickness. We are a sick, psychopath, gore-loving society desensitized to the worst forms of violence.
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Nov 07, 2014 11:03am
@Ravi Dallas TX :: This time Mr. Big D Cowboy in Dallas, Texas, USA, you went too far in saying, "Also as this news spreads, victims would be innocent Muslims living in Christian countries." You are living in the Dallas Texas, so-called Buckle of the Bible Belt in America and when did you see Christians murdering innocent victims. Please refrain from making a statement that is so far off the top that it becomes fear mongering. I have read your comments before and you sound okay for the most part but this time you went too far. You neither know much about Christianity or Islam and the vast amount of commonalities these two religions have. Since you are in Dallas and pretty sure making a good living and a livelihood than your own Hindu country could provide, this is a good time for you to erase some of your ignorance about Christianity and try attending a Church, which they are on every street in Dallas, or take an online distance learning course in Islam before you make such irresponsible comment. Dawn, please print - I have been very polite to Mr. Ravi of Dallas, Texas, USA.
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Nov 07, 2014 11:07am
Very sorry to read that. More so, since I live in a country where people from every faith live safely and enjoy full religious freedom. We call Pakistan a muslim state but do we really follow Islam? Did any of those mobsters or religious leader who provoked them thought of the legal consequences? Who gave them the authority to kill another human being? Did they not think for a single minute before torturing and killing a pregnant woman? What was the fault of that unborn that was killed by them? What is alarming is the lack of fear of legal action and punishment. Why can't stringent action be taken and exemplary punishment be given that nobody dare think of touching minorities. Until and unless severe action is taken against the so called vigilantes the state will be responsible by acquiescence of such killings. We need to stop this madness!
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Nov 07, 2014 11:10am
@SMI :: I just want to remind you what Mahatma Gandhi would say to a person like you, “An eye for an eye makes the whole world blind” and what Jesus Christ would say, “But I tell you, do not resist an evil person. If anyone slaps you on the right cheek, turn to them the other cheek also” Matthew 5:39
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Nov 07, 2014 11:17am
Every single religion is based on myth and hence no religion is completely true. And for this we kill. We humans are worse than beasts as they kill only for sustenance.
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Nov 07, 2014 11:19am
The discussion here is all about India/Pakistan war of words. Any foreigner will read this discussion and think in his mind that although India and Pakistan have advanced in science and technology much greater than other Asian countries probably except China in the last 67 years since independence from Britain but their mentality is the same that was during British rule. They love to fight like kindergarten kids and wait for every opportunity to fight even when discussing a shocking and horrific incident. SHAME!
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Nov 07, 2014 11:23am
This act was brutal, inhuman, tragic, barbaric (give whatever names you can) and cannot and should not be justified by any religion !!!
However, statement by Vatican is uncalled for !!!... It seemed more like a political statement and very much 'biased' as Vatican (it seems now) is only unhappy for Christians being killed. Vatican dont seem to care or raise a protest when innocent 'Muslims' are killed/abducted in Myanmar, Afghanistan, Palestine or in any part of the world in pretext of being 'muslims' or 'ethnic cleansing'.
If you care for peace and humanity then lets call 'spade a spade'.
I would be more happy if Vatican had issues statements on other incidents or on killings of 'humans' other than 'Christians'
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Nov 07, 2014 11:35am
@Khalid Khan ...khalid jeee India has faced enough troubles ....but this kind of things which are happening in Pakistan on daily basis are not happening in India.....where has 17% Hindu population in Pakistan gone since independence?...we are much more tolerant than your country which is moving in reverse direction of civilization
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Nov 07, 2014 11:40am
@Payal these are 2% of Pakistanis who are educated ...rest 98% are like the people who heckled the couple to death
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Nov 07, 2014 11:51am
@Sandeep Singh :: PLEASE Tell that guy SMI, that President Obama's relationship with Israel and with Mr. Netanhayu is so strained because Americans, even Jewish Americans, do not see eye to eye with the policies of the Israel vis-a-vis Palestinians and very especially when it comes to settling new construction in East Jerusalem which Palestinians want as their new Capital when granted Statehood. And yet, America is considered Israel's strongest supporter and ipso facto the 51st State of the USA. That's being fair with both your mouth and diplomatic pressure that America applies on Israel on behalf of Palestinians.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:02pm
@Ganga Din , Very correct and honest comment. Thank you.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:05pm
@Ameer , We have freedom of speech. Read the comments on different topics. West give hate speeches all the time.
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Nov 07, 2014 12:38pm
@Khalid Khan Graham Staines and his children's killing was a shame for India. The thing is, their killers are in jail and have been convicted without any outside interference. It was the Institutions in India that took note and prosecuted the guilty. Do you thing the numerous people who were killed from minority community in pakistan will get justice.
Btw, before you bringing up Gujarat, i must inform you that the people found guilty for both, the Godhra incident and the riots as a result, are convicted and serving their sentence. Also, pre-empting a typical pakistani mindset of accusing PM Modi, I'd just say that, please understand, he has been found not guilty by the same courts.
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Nov 07, 2014 01:04pm
But the vatican never intervened when CIA was waterboarding of captives and humiliating Dr. Aafia under the garb of war against terror. War could be in many shapes. Whatever happened in Pakistan recently is also a style of war against blasphemy
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Nov 07, 2014 01:44pm
@Fawad
why bring up the past
crusades were crusades .
lets bring the change in our country for our people
be it any religion lets save & respect humanity
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Nov 07, 2014 01:45pm
@Faisal
so true , the fault is the this govt
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Nov 07, 2014 01:46pm
@Muhammad Iqbal
so does this mean you are taking revenge???
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Nov 07, 2014 05:09pm
it was a mob, dont bring pakistan into this.
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Nov 07, 2014 05:23pm
@Unshackle Pakistan .Absolutely true.While most people look to the govt for solving our problems, it's in fact the source of our most problems.Politicians are only interested in increasing the size of govt to have more power to harass the common decent man by the coercive powers of govt. Our govt gives a certain section of the society powers and privileges from the tax of the common man for doing harmful things to our economy, security and making the country inhabitable for a rational man. Bureaucrats are lazy and inefficient and don't see any personal loss for wasting the people's money.
People having vested interest(politicians, govt servants) would never downsize the govt but it's the only solution.
Govt is responsible for all the killings.
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Nov 07, 2014 11:27pm
@shabbzz cos he doesn't expect oic or any Muslim leader or cleric to condemn this brutality against Christians. They don't even care when Muslims get killed ... So obviously the Vatican will speak for their Christian brethren...
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Nov 07, 2014 11:51pm
Very true, the first victims are muslims and Pakistan!!!
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Nov 08, 2014 12:26am
“How can we remain impassive before such crimes, justified in the name of religion?,” Tauran said on Vatican Radio, urging Muslim leaders in Pakistan to vigorously condemn the killings.
“It is all of humanity that is humiliated,” he said, adding: “The first victims are in fact Muslims because these misdeeds give an image of Islam that is terrible."
I cannot agree more with the Vatican's statement!
However, it must be said that Islam does not allow 'mob rule', but it is a very sorry 'State of Affairs' insofar as Rule of Law in Pakistan is concerned and there has been overwhelming condemnation by people in Dawn, but the question is - Will this act of barbarism in the name of the blasphemy law stop and how?
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Nov 08, 2014 08:19am
This gruesome sorry full act reminds me of the government party mob in India that entered a church and tortured then killed the priest in front of his wife and children, then left the family for dead. It is on YouTube.
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Nov 08, 2014 08:28am
while the govt. and its agencies are involved then nothing will happen to criminals. soon this country will be isolated once again and will go in stone age. % of minority before 1947 and at present see the figures. pakistan has allowed its agencies and culprits to kill merculessly, and has said dont worry, we will help you. we indian condemn wagha border incident and paid respect to those who were killed but your govt did not. in kargil also pak. refuse to take its own soldiers body , while india respectfully buried with respect.. my pak friend this is your govt.pl do not blame india.because of govt. dirty foregn policy the whole country is suffering.
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Nov 08, 2014 09:15am
When one Christian couple is lynched in Pakistan,the Vatican sheds copious tears.However,when thousands of Shias,Ahmediyas and Baluchis are butchered,nobody raises any voice,nobody protests.
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Nov 08, 2014 09:20am
Humanity not humiliated by your drones killing thousands of innocent women and children everyday ? and not by your human right laws that allow child ornography and incest and the list goes on and on.
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Nov 08, 2014 11:11am
@Shobhit i agree with you, the criminals in india for godhra incidents are in jail as on till date.question is who started burning hindu pilgrimage, the world knows. extremist did this work not only in india all around the world. then they get cover of religious priest who are uneducated and also no knowing of religion.. some incidents taking place in burma or in srilanka or in palestine where there is nothing to do with indian govt, these criminals extremist started disturbing society by religious slogan and getting support of their people who are uneducated. at last they are suffering, this is all over the world .they only wants to destroy india society. they are the enemy of india. and pakistan is openly playing religious card in kashmir and other parts of india too.yes we agree incidents of burning chritian took place and culprits are in jail. this is not pakistan. pak has lost credit.
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Nov 08, 2014 12:10pm
@Gaurav Arya;
" what has India to do with this? Please be sensible. This is a Pakistani matter."
If this is a Pakistani matter why half the posts on this blog are from India. We have a right to point out that our enemies are not criticizing us out of any moral conviction but out of pure hatred for Pakistan.
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Nov 08, 2014 12:43pm
We condemn this act of brutality and demand punishment irrespective of their faith and belief. Local news sources told that it was a mere dispute of wage-money which was converted into a blasphemy to save the culprits. Its Irresponsible media shoots causing blame for Islam. Vatican should be more responsible to blame others. Why Humanity is not humiliated when innocent Muslims are killed by western aggression in the name of NWO & WMD by Christian States. Don't forget the Gaza Muslims.
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Nov 08, 2014 04:06pm
majority of muslims follow their faith blindly and do not follow what their quran teaches them to do - the fault lies with their religious leaders who try to lead their followers in the wrong direction
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Nov 08, 2014 07:53pm
@Mustafa
what a profound statement took this long to figure out
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Nov 08, 2014 07:54pm
@Papal Seal I firmly believe that most of these wrongdoers just hide behind religion & use it as an excuse to spark off hatred & bitternes. A cowardly means of igniting people to defend themselves & so the fight goes on & on.
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Nov 08, 2014 08:39pm
Well this is a very sad incident and should never have happened. Perpetrators need to be severely punished
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Nov 08, 2014 09:08pm
Humanity was humiliated by Catholic priests who were involved in child molestation.
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Nov 08, 2014 09:38pm
@Fawad you were not even born at that time..... You are not making any sense!!!! and public apologies have been made by the Vatican for their past mistakes.
It's time for True Muslims to take a stand for their religion by removing such illiterate and EVIL mullahs...... That spread EVIL, hatred and intolerance!! Act on it... Don't sweep it under the rug like all the other atrocities that are happening in Pakistan.
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Nov 08, 2014 11:09pm
as a Muslim I am ashamed of the blood thirsty Pakistani Muslims. Shameful all of you should hung your heads in shame. Blasphemy is birth right. People will believe in what they want to believe. If people don't like something people will speak against it. Who gave you rights to take someone's life?
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Nov 08, 2014 11:13pm
@SMI - world does criticize those things including Vatican. Why your blood boils more when it comes to Palestine? Because Arab worth more than others? Where is the cry against abuses in Darfur, Syria etc?
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Nov 09, 2014 08:31am
Shame on Pakistan
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Nov 09, 2014 08:47am
The only solution to this is to grow more vegetables. Eat them. It gives good eyesight. People as a nation do not remain constipated. Ideas purge. Faces are happier. Smiles are easier to come.
Grow more vegetables.
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Nov 09, 2014 11:23am
This incidence is regrettable and deplorable. All such incidents of killing innocent human beings, by throwing them into the fire or by throwing fire on to them, a couple or a couple of million, be it in the name of religion in Muslim or Hindu or Christian dominated countries, or anti-terrorism campaigns in countries like Palestine, Iraq, Afghanistan and Kashmir are equally deplorable and contemptible. All champions of justice, peace and humanity should raise their voice against all such vicious acts, at all platforms, with proportionate emphasis.
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Nov 10, 2014 03:14am
@Khalid Khan Vatican was busy condemning the incident and Indian courts and police were busy issuing death sentences that were reduced to life term when the wife of the Pastor forgave the criminals and requested courts to turn the death sentence to life imprisonment.
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Nov 10, 2014 04:14am
The killing humiliated PAKISTAN - nobody else.
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Nov 10, 2014 05:17pm
What ever Pakistan is facing today is the result of keeping masses uneducated for over 30-40 years. In order to improve Pakistan of all kind of extremism one has to invest solely on education for atleast 10 years ( in which new mind set will arise) and you will notice a change
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