COAS in China: General Fan Changlong praises Zarb-i-Azb
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Chief of Army Staff General Raheel Sharif called upon General Fan Changlong, vice chairman of China's Central Military Commission, on Sunday morning, according to a tweet by Director General Inter-Services Public Relations (ISPR), Maj-Gen Asim Bajwa.
General Raheel Sharif left for a two-day visit to China on Saturday during which he is expected to meet China's political and military leadership to discuss issues pertaining to security and defence cooperation between the two countries.
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Gen Fan termed 'China-Pakistan solid relations as strategic cooperative partnership' and called the two countries most important neighbours and iron brothers.
Showing solidarity with Pakistan against any challenge, "he praised 'Operation Zarb-i-Azb' and termed it as a decisive, indiscriminate, bold and hard blow for terrorists," said another tweet by the top military spokesman.
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The vice chairman of China's Central Military Commission also praised Pakistan's national consensus reached against terrorism and the country's resolves, efforts, sacrifices in fighting the menace.
He also assured the visiting army chief of China's full cooperation in this regard.
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This is General Sharif’s second visit to China since he assumed the command of the country’s military in 2013.
Read: The Chinese ‘cure’
Pakistan and China enjoy close military and defence ties and both countries often take part in joint military and air exercises.
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Jan 25, 2015 11:57am
What else China General Fan Changlong can do, besides praising Zarb-I-Azb. Yet there are sporadic attacks on soldiers.
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Jan 25, 2015 11:58am
Great timing great move. Our incompetent government should have been driving foreign relations and diplomacy instead of Army trying to secure all fronts "alone"
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Jan 25, 2015 12:31pm
chinas destiny ios controlled by usa and eu as if they stop importing goods from china and hand over all manufacturing contracts to india,vietnam, and indonesia where labour cost is cheap than china,china will be doomed forever.no one in this world can survive,sustain and dream to become a world leader who considers usa and eu as its enemies.
japan and russia are the examples in front of us and chinas case will be no different.anyway all the best.
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Jan 25, 2015 12:34pm
@Sunil Tyoical Indian response!
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Jan 25, 2015 12:40pm
This visit was timed pretty well to coincide with Obama's visit to India. I think there's some element of posturing on both sides of the border.
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Jan 25, 2015 12:42pm
Modi can hug Obama and use all brooms in the world to clean Indian streets. Yet China - Pakistan - Russia axis will continue to make things messier for India. My Indian friends, these yanks are no one's. Better you stop dictating your terms to your neighbors and learn dealing with them on equal terms!
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Jan 25, 2015 12:48pm
General's China visit is in response to Obama's India visit.
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Jan 25, 2015 12:57pm
@Jasim Khan Equal terms? What makes u think we are equal? Economy or military?
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Jan 25, 2015 12:58pm
@Jasim Khan It's gullible for you to think that Pakistan has been accommodated in Russian axis after India-Russia partition which has not happened. Also in what terms is Pakistan equal to India for it to treat Pakistan as such? People who take aid only become a fodder for others cannons and never respected enough to be taken as a friend.
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Jan 25, 2015 12:59pm
@Jasim Khan Have you got petrol (fuel) and electricity which was blown by terrorist? lolz
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Jan 25, 2015 01:00pm
@Jasim Khan what 'Modi with broom to clean India' has to do with your China-Russia-Pakistan axis ? and if making things 'Messier for India' can bring Pakistan out of it's mess, if it can bring you peace and prosperity then plz go head, because hating your neighbour seem to be more important to you than loving your own country.
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Jan 25, 2015 01:01pm
Equal partners ? a rat in front of an elephant
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Jan 25, 2015 01:02pm
one thing is pretty clear... General Sharif is on the driving seat, and the other Sharif is now just a ceremonial PM. Which is good!
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Jan 25, 2015 01:04pm
@Jasim Khan Good observation. Allow indians a bit more time to discover bit more about newly found rich friend. All that glitters is not gold. You don't get nothing for nothing.
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Jan 25, 2015 01:04pm
Well I guess he's a fan then...
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Jan 25, 2015 01:05pm
Well I guess he's a fan then...
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Jan 25, 2015 01:05pm
Pakistan Army has been doing miracles in wiping-out the proxy war spread terrorism in the country. we feel elated in displaying the series of success that has been achieved so far in eliminating terrorism.
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Jan 25, 2015 01:24pm
Reminds me of a story. Once upon a time, an elephant is getting married. In the wedding procession, a rat is in in the front and center of dancers and is dancing as if there is no tomorrow. One of the elephants relative goes and asks the rat "Boss, Who are you". The rat replies, "aaj mere Yaar ki Saadi hai".
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Jan 25, 2015 01:27pm
@sunill punditt what about investment in Australia UK USA Chinese are doing. In UK a Chinese man Li Ka Shing is going to buy O2 for 10 Billion and he already owns water electricity gas and shipping port in UK. Do you have anyone who is doing this? Cheap Labour is far away from investment. The same cheap Labour is now hired by Chinese companies in via IT companies and they are making money.
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Jan 25, 2015 01:36pm
@live n let live pak is not the country that elected a known terrorist as PM. So who is the extremist?
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Jan 25, 2015 01:39pm
@no_hanky_panky india is the fodder for US and israeli interests. Keep in mind india will be cursing the day they became foes with pak to become friends with Israel
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Jan 25, 2015 01:40pm
@Jojo Modi's Gujrat is full of rats....
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Jan 25, 2015 01:40pm
@Viola that rat is india?
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Jan 25, 2015 01:42pm
Indian leaders, like their predecessor Nehru, are trying to milk two Cows at once!
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Jan 25, 2015 01:42pm
Sad for pakistan to counter US India relations
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Jan 25, 2015 01:45pm
@mighty six Tatas are the biggest employer in UK.They own JLR , Corus, Tetley, Starbucks and many other coy.s..
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Jan 25, 2015 01:45pm
@sunill punditt;
Hahahaha. China is controlled by US and India is going to be next superpower!!. If you keep believing in such nonsense, India would remain the failed society it has been for 3000 years.
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Jan 25, 2015 01:48pm
Quite frankly, it is a 'going nowhere' relationship[ established and maintained as a counter weight to India further enhanced by USA & India cosying up recently. For proper on the ground development, poverty alleviation and spreading of a more liberal tolerant outlook in the nation we need USA & Europe more. China is a command economy with only its peoples welfare in mind. And we are sucking up to them for military and ephemeral geopolitical support. We need to think longer term.
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Jan 25, 2015 01:49pm
@Jojo
What an intelligent comment not. Even if use the rat analogy. Do you not know elephant is very scared of rats?
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Jan 25, 2015 01:58pm
Diversionary trip to China......Still the great news on channels is - Obama visits India!!!
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Jan 25, 2015 02:03pm
Pakistan, China and Afghanistan all fighting against terrorism. Looks like Indians can't digest...
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Jan 25, 2015 02:05pm
@Jasim Khan nicely said
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Jan 25, 2015 02:09pm
Russia can never be in your axis. Still India is the largest buyer of arms from Russia. Indian economy is so vast that it can accommodate both Russia and USA and to some extent China. You don't have anything to offer to Russia. This is the world of business my friend. Russia will never sacrifice the world biggest market for Pakistan.
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Jan 25, 2015 02:10pm
Why would COAS visit to China be a diversionary to India's?
What kind of hogwash theory is that?
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Jan 25, 2015 02:21pm
@sunill punditt I doubt if iphone manufacturing would ever come to India. Although Indian own it they still want manufacturing of land rovers done in Britain. Think it says something about Indian manufacturing of technical goods.
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Jan 25, 2015 02:26pm
@Jasim Khan when did Russia become your friends..do you think Russia will forget what you people did to them with Americans. and for your information Russian defense minister met modi on 23 Jan 2015. I think this is enough to open your eyes.
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Jan 25, 2015 02:28pm
Armys preoccupation is to create terrorist and fight them later. Good job, keep your subjects in abject poverty and chained for ever. While you plunder the nation of its precious resource.
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Jan 25, 2015 02:37pm
@sunill punditt lolx ,what a very ammusing is the fact , how our neighbours try to live in fake world . People of eu and usa will scream the day they wont get cheap chinese products .
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Jan 25, 2015 02:50pm
He should have taken his friend Mirza Aslam beg on a free trip. Like Kayani he is also protecting Aslam beg's Mehran bank corruption that has been proven beyond doubt. Why Aslam beg is above accountability? Will Kayani and Raheel sharif also save him in his grave? If not then please don't destroy societies by protecting wrongdoings. Please for God sake let the law of land take its course please let the judicial system breath please no VIP treatment for Mirza Aslam beg who did irreparable loss to million of poor people
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Jan 25, 2015 02:54pm
chief when will you guys help us?
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Jan 25, 2015 02:55pm
Why not start with Lal Masjid? Oh sorry I forgot they are being funded by Malik Riaz and Behria town and we know who is at the back of Behria town. The only success of kayani's tenure was that he was able to get a very lucrative job for his brother in Behria town and save Aslam beg massive corruption. Maybe now make Aslam beg as deputy COAS that way this poor beg will be able to do some more corruption and he knows till Raheel sharif is there he is beyond accountability
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Jan 25, 2015 03:03pm
@Jojo u don't know that man can be murdered by 1.5 inch bullet..imagine the mass dffrnc ..same the case is here..
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Jan 25, 2015 03:05pm
@Key Points US will be friend of India as long as it suits Indian interests. There are no permanent friends or enemies in international politics. India has equal business interests with Japan, China, Russia as well. So US should keep that in mind.
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Jan 25, 2015 03:29pm
Be careful,i have an image of Hossein Dehqan(Defence Minister of Iran) with Fan Changlong.Mr China doesn't need Pakistan,Mr China needs Iran.
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Jan 25, 2015 03:31pm
Muslim world is the target by all in many ways. Ask saudi arabia to work as champion of muslims instead of a dividing force and not making a strong alliance for defence production. The main kaba of muslims is under siege by enemies and thus muslim world is bleeding. Turkey and Iran may also join for better future of muslims instead of dreaming EU membership/defeating own brothers.
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Jan 25, 2015 03:32pm
Did China help in fighting with terrorists with pakistan?
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Jan 25, 2015 03:46pm
@Sam Darling, is it not obvious to everyone that India is friends with Israel and foes with Pakistan from the number of wars it has won against Pakistan and the contribution of Israeli weapons in its arsenal? But you must remember for your own future that with many other technologies from China, it's cannons may not be immune to failure.
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Jan 25, 2015 03:57pm
@sunill punditt dream on .,..
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Jan 25, 2015 03:59pm
I dont think this was needed right now.
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Jan 25, 2015 04:07pm
stop fighting on petty issues
why doesnt pakistanis like others try to get a share of the cherry
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Jan 25, 2015 04:14pm
Where r the tweets from the chinese?
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Jan 25, 2015 04:15pm
@sushant pakistan has alot to offer to russia. if only they would have the sense. we can be there gateway to middle east n africa. they must forget the cold war n focus on the new world.
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Jan 25, 2015 04:17pm
Three cheers for Pakistan-China all weather relationship. This relationship is an example of heart to heart respect & relationship with each other.
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Jan 25, 2015 04:25pm
This COAS needs to stay put in Pakistan to defend his citizens from the blows being reigned by the terrorists, diplomacy should be left to Diplomats. The Chinese will sell whatever you want and extract their pound of flesh, getting freebies or charity from them will be tougher than squeezing water from a stone.
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Jan 25, 2015 04:29pm
@Jasim Khan
Looks like you hit a nerve amongst our indian readers! lol I completely agree with you.
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Jan 25, 2015 04:30pm
@fonzarelli Your general is the head of government or what.Use some sense when comparing
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Jan 25, 2015 04:36pm
China is stuck with communist agenda with no opposition from whomsover. Mullah ki daur masjid tak. They can only do som much with their political setup. Pakistan you will be stuck with them in future if you continue with such arrangement. First with Saudis creating khilafah and now China. Anyway you are (mis)lead with ISI/Army which has its own interest to keep their lion share of your budget. Best of luck for the so called satanic believers.
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Jan 25, 2015 04:54pm
So amusing to see how any news from Pakistan rattles Indian trolls. Always!
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Jan 25, 2015 05:07pm
Alliances and strategies are changing on global scale. Pakistan is clearly aligning with China to confront the challenges thrown in front both of them by regional and extra regional states.
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Jan 25, 2015 05:10pm
So are we going to see Chinese soldiers literally walking into India AGAIN to trample India's sovereignty under their foot, anytime soon? I would like to take some bets on it.
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Jan 25, 2015 05:15pm
its a clear message to american president...stop blaming pakistan for terrorism..we have given more lives than any other country...
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Jan 25, 2015 05:23pm
Some minister from Russia visits Pakistan and president Putin visits India
But strangely Pakistan-Russia axis..
My Pakistani friends are too advance
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Jan 25, 2015 05:25pm
@Sam
I am saddened that your PM NS went to his swearing-in and the Chinese President chose to visit India and hopped, skipped and jumped Pakistan. All terrorists?
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Jan 25, 2015 05:29pm
US wanted need a good friend in this region to limit Chinese role but it is not possible because chinese physical existence in the region.
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Jan 25, 2015 05:46pm
This COAS is honest, brave and a leader with vision. Wish him best of luck in very difficult circumstances. He needs all support from all country. May Allah keep him safe
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Jan 25, 2015 05:54pm
The timing of General Raheel's visit to China could not have been any better. Let it be a message to India and USA that Pakistan no longer needs to look to America for its future. Our prosperity and safety strongly rests with our life-long friend and neighbour, who is trustworthy and a friend in-need; unlike the most selfish and mean who wants one-way relationship - always wanting 'more'.
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Jan 25, 2015 05:58pm
@mighty six Indians are the largest investors in United Kingdom ..check your facts :)
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Jan 25, 2015 06:03pm
@Jonathan India still remains intact and has prospered so no harm
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Jan 25, 2015 06:19pm
Waste of time and money. Pakistan has lost the track.
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Jan 25, 2015 06:29pm
India is looking to develop WIFI Cities, Nuclear deals, Metro`s in cities, Hi Speed Railways & developing relationship with US, Russia & China with business deals.
Pakistan is discussing militants and terror groups with China/US and every other country. Even now, the country is not clear whether to ban JuD/Haqqani..
30 Years ago, Pakistan was much better developed than India & thanks to policy of Strategic Depth, now Pakistan is one of the most feared country. What an Irony.
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Jan 25, 2015 06:39pm
@hammad qureshi "Pakistan has alot to offer to russia. if only they would have the sense. we can be there gateway to middle east n africa"
So you admit the only thing Pakistan can offer is to become a middleman. Boy you have some atrutude.
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Jan 25, 2015 06:41pm
Look at the comments our country men make out of jealousy, wasnt it our government that was begging for nuclear deal which it did not get. stop cribbing and get on with bettering our lives.
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Jan 25, 2015 08:04pm
@Javelin while you observation probably holds merit from a person who is within Pakistan/close to Pakistani politics. But the other vantage point should be - a General's visit will never really build as much political connect and thus geo-strategic clout that is cemented by political and economic times in the long term. Looking up to the military as the only relatively reliable, disciplined and organized entity to mange the country's affairs such as foreign policy reduces the chance at attempting to build civilian entities.
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Jan 25, 2015 08:14pm
@Mustafa you were a part of this society till 64 yrs ago , ie 2936 yrs out of 3000, where does this take you !! Accept it boss , you are one of us !!
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Jan 25, 2015 08:15pm
@hammad qureshi why go to middle east through pakistan? in any case pakistan does not hold much importance for the middle east that the pakistanis can lobby for russia...
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Jan 25, 2015 08:21pm
@Jasim Khan the sort of friendship you say you share with china is shared between india and russia... they have supported us in all wars we have fought...mainly in '71 war they kept both china and us in check by deploying their own naval flotilla in indian ocean and threatening china with consequences if they attacked india... moreover pakistan acted against russia in afghanistan while india stood with them... india and russia hold annual cooperation talks... it is a fact that india and russia share a special bond and absolutely NO ONE including your china can take india's place... you must read about sino-russia relations a bit you would be enlightened...
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Jan 25, 2015 08:43pm
May be my fello Pakistanis understand it but I am at loss of understanding. Why is it that we need an acknowledgement of the success of Zarb e Azb from every country Raheel is visiting. And this guy Bajwa then goes on tweeting as if we have hit a jackpot. Have we just become a state whose only job has become to eliminate terror?
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Jan 25, 2015 09:05pm
Wow! Chinese using the term 'Iron brothers' is one they hardly ever use. This means according to them, the country has very special status and is linked to their success. In Chinese history, this phrase has been used by Chinese leaders only a few times, that too never on foreigners, but between Chinese monarchs.
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Jan 25, 2015 09:13pm
@hammad qureshi Russia is good friends with Iran.
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Jan 25, 2015 09:33pm
@onlytruth twitter is banned in china officially
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Jan 25, 2015 09:54pm
He is out of Pakistan 25 days in a month! Foreign countries are safer?
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Jan 25, 2015 09:59pm
@Key Points USA is neither a friend nor an enemy to India. They are just our strategic partners. Nothing more than that.
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Jan 25, 2015 10:01pm
Pakistan realises (I hope) that China is its best friend in the region. Through thick and thin it has supported Pakistan.
America on the other hand has betrayed Pakistan many times. Even now they are singing the tunes of India and praising the country whilst criticising Pakistan.
For more than 10 years Pakistan has suffered the effect of the Americans invading Afghanistan and giving India the ability to direct terrorists from there in to Pakistan.
Enough is enough America should not be seen as a friend of Pakistan.
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Jan 25, 2015 10:03pm
You guys talk as if the world of foreign policy is black and white.
Pakistan would do a world of good if it can strengthen relations with countries like Russia and Central Asia in the long run.
There is a lot Pakistan can offer to these countries. Lets hope we can tackle our internal security and get our economy moving forward.
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Jan 25, 2015 10:15pm
Looks like there is a virtual martial law in Pakisthan. N Sharif became passive and R.Sharif becomes Active. And COAS visiting other states like a political leader does. This looks new way to impose martial law without much fuss.
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Jan 25, 2015 10:20pm
@Abdul
Dear Abdul ji, it is a question of jobs and economics. Tata's have taken over JLR to keep the brand flying in the UK and to save the jobs.
BTW, Audi, Skoda, VW, BMW, all have their manufacturing units in India, apart from many others. Yes, some content is localized and others come from their primary sources, while the drive to increase the local content of parts continues.
But, strange as it is, the topic of COAS visiting China can bring a topic of Land Rover et al. Funny :-)
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Jan 25, 2015 10:42pm
When president brack obama in india gen. rahil shareef in china what does pakistan want to show?
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Jan 25, 2015 10:46pm
Timing is great; in fact our foreign minister should have visited China at this movement; but we do not have one; this is another example of" Nawazish Management"
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Jan 25, 2015 10:52pm
Pakistan need to set its priority straight, get rid of the corrupt mafia at the top should be the top priority. The corrupt mafia with big egos going after Musharraf to settle scores does not make sense. Everything bad happening in Pakistan is due to the weakness of the top rulers, due to their misplaced priorities, which is protecting undisclosed offshore family ownership, protecting themselves from the potential consequences of loans they have defaulted, which kick backs, commissions, which is not devolving authority & funds to the lowest levels through local body elections.
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Jan 25, 2015 10:54pm
@arindam may be u for getting Russia and America don't like each other so u think u can be good friend with Russia and same friends with America u be joking both of them playing games with India
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Jan 25, 2015 10:55pm
Was the visit timed to counter Obama-Modi meeting?
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Jan 25, 2015 11:06pm
Sadly, no other country's military chief either visits foreign countries much less, being reported on. This sounds like the PM of Pakistan is visiting foreign countries for collaboration. Who is incharge of Pakistan and its foreign policy is now clear. Sad day for the Pakistani people unfortunately.
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Jan 25, 2015 11:42pm
INDIANS are over the moon, American president is here now we Indians are also Americans, there was time when there was one player in world USA, now there are more than one, China, Russia, Europe, India has big population even though 80%of Indians live in poverty, it's all got to do with bigger market. And don't forget your friend Russia, USA and Europe has put sanctions on Russia, believe me Americans haven't forgotten Indians and Russins friendship.
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Jan 26, 2015 12:01am
Well done...
next should be Russia & Iran.
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Jan 26, 2015 12:39am
Both - US and China are selfish. They come here to get more and give less. No country should be over happy with these countries.
China will never support Pak if Pak is not on the route to oil and gas reach states. Same, US will never come to India if there will not be China as a neighbor.
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Jan 26, 2015 01:03am
General is traveling to major countries of the world meeting political and military leads and telling about Zara e azb. It was weeklong trip to US then 3 day visit to UK and now 2 day visit to China. Wonder where next...
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Jan 26, 2015 01:03am
@gurpreet singh that it has a great reliable all season friend.
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Jan 26, 2015 01:31am
@Jasim Khan
when did putin visit yáll----- still thinking.
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Jan 26, 2015 01:33am
@Haider Rehman
some body said Russia -----too
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Jan 26, 2015 02:46am
@Jasim Khan economy will drive the things in future.. you will start seeing results in this decade
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Jan 26, 2015 02:49am
@Sam otherway man
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Jan 26, 2015 03:46am
Not a single formal statement or tweet from the Chinese side -- all tweets and statements from pakistani side!! :)
Every 2 weeks, some pakistani chief or leader or minister goes to China -- how many Chinese ministers or leaders visit pakistan?! :)
Sorry, but pakistan has become such a sad country!
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Jan 26, 2015 03:52am
@fonzarelli -- seriously? -- you compare the visit of the most powerful man in world (US President Obama) to India (largest democracy in the world) to yet another pakistani chief attendance visit to his master China?!
Get some sense!
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Jan 26, 2015 05:28am
@Jasim Khan Mske sure your COAS asks China to remove the ban or burqa and ask them to lift the ban on growing beards and next time he visits Washington please don't ask for handouts.
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Jan 26, 2015 06:03am
@Jojo If Pakistan army are a rat compared to (elephant) India, why don't you Indians fight your own battles against Pakistan ISI and military institution, rather than 'begging' the Americans to pressure and dictate Pakistan. The truth is that while the present (Nawaz) and previous (Zardari) governments are pro Indian regimes, the Pakistan military are a hard nut to crack and don't take any crap from India. The Indian military might have a bigger size but any wise man would tell that size means nothing, it's all about the heart and guts. The Indian-Pakistani manpower may read a mismatch but don't be deluded for a single bit that Pakistan's nuclear system puts them ahead if not equal against you Indians!
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Jan 26, 2015 06:20am
@Rashid Sultan Appriciate your candid and pointed comments in the true interest of Pakistan
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Jan 26, 2015 06:24am
@live n let live, You have said the Sad truth "hating your neighbour seem to be more important to you than loving your own country." May be some day it will be understood and we will become support and strength of each other.
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Jan 26, 2015 06:44am
Why do I get the feeling here, that when the people from across the border comment which is usually quite often, I feel their intelligence agency is influencing it. Surely ordinary indians dont have so much time to waste that they read our newspapers online.
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Jan 26, 2015 07:23am
Long live Pak-China friendship.
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Jan 26, 2015 07:24am
@Hope the same works for Pakistan. If china wasn't located right next to India, Pakistan wouldn't have value her relations with China as much.
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Jan 26, 2015 11:01am
AWESOME TIME TO VISIT CHINA ! PAK ARMY ROCKS!!!
For those who understand International politics this visit will be considered a statement to both USA and hindistan
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Jan 26, 2015 11:17am
@Hope that's the difference you need to understand, China and Pakistan have been sincere to each other. Whilst US has seen only self interest for themselves. They are keeping their mutually beneficial freindship with Pakistan but also moving to India to exploit what they can. Indians will know what that means in a few years. India had the chance in early 1950's to resolve Kashmir and befriend Pakistan , but India botched it, based on its false perceptions of itself. Now, there is a chance if kashmir is still resolved, it will release billions from arms to welfare of each countries own citizens. But with the types of Modi, a shallow, unshopisticated, not worldly wise like Atal Bihari Vajpayee, the chances are slim. All this man does is violate Loc, and Kashmiri's on both side get killed, which hurts Pakistanis but not Indians.
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Jan 26, 2015 11:47am
Gen. Shareef should ask china to lift ban on burqha. The Muslim Ummah is not happy with chinese treatment of ughigyur muslims.
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Jan 26, 2015 04:39pm
@Gnanesh Ganesh ji, Indian debt $ 500 bn, yearly deficit $ 140 bn, which means India has to borrow to keep afloat. Sadly borrowed money spent on arms, ammunition and fruitless space probes, whilst the 90% go hungry to bed. Sad.
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Jan 27, 2015 12:53pm
@Zak
Dear Zak ji,
It's been a long time...:-)
While you are right in some points, it doesn't dampen our vision or enthusiasm to plan and keep progressing. There would be roadblocks, Black Swans, comments from extremely pessimistic losers - not only from within the country, but outside as well, and of course debts as you've said and oil imports which you've forgotten.
This sort of mental attitude was there even during the past decades, and unfortunately India didn't dare or willing to open up to the world, trudging the socialist line. But fortunately we mustered up courage and whacked ourselves on our heads and asked what we are doing ???? So the journey had begun, and we have shifted some gears. It is gathering speed now. If in your wise opinion that we should have eliminated all poverty, debt, (and not to forget the last toilet that should have been built by now), then we fall short of your expectations. But we, as people, are demanding that all the above and humongously more should be done and using the power of democracy to boot out governments which are inept and corrupt.
So, how's your country planning and progressing and what you are demanding your government and how it's going ? :-)
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