Indian govt changing Kashmir's demographic: foreign secretary
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan's Foreign Secretary Aizaz Chaudhry on Wednesday accused the Indian government of deliberately altering the demographic makeup of Jammu and Kashmir by settling non-state citizens in Indian-held Kashmir and turning its Muslim majority into a minority by dividing the population on ethnic, religious and communal lines.
"No elections in Indian-held Kashmir could be a substitute to the plebiscite under the auspices of the UN," Chaudhry told ambassadors posted to Pakistan of countries in the Organisation of Islamic Cooperation (OIC).
Briefing the envoys on the eve of Kashmir Day, the foreign secretary referred to the actions taken by Indian security forces to suppress the indigenous Kashmiri movement against Indian rule. He also quoted staggering figures of Kashmiris killed, women widowed and raped and children orphaned in human rights violations in the region.
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He stressed that peace in the region would remain elusive without the resolution of the Kashmir dispute in accordance with UN resolutions that call for a free and fair election to determine the wishes of the people of Jammu and Kashmir.
The foreign secretary emphasised that OIC as a body of 57 countries with the world’s one-fifth population and Gross Domestic Profit (GDP) with many trillion dollars could influence India to fulfill its obligations under UN resolutions, de-militarise Indian-held Kashmir and refrain from committing human rights violations.
Noting the points made by the foreign secretary, the OIC ambassadors participated in the discussion focusing on the Kashmir issue, Pakistan-India relations and other developments in the region.
The divided, mostly Muslim Himalayan region of Kashmir is at the heart of hostility between the neighbours and was the cause of two of their three wars since independence from Britain in 1947.
Read more: Editorial: Kashmir issue
On Jan 5, 1949, the United Nations Commission for India and Pakistan’s resolution stated that the question of the accession of the State of Jammu and Kashmir to India or Pakistan would be decided through a free and impartial plebiscite. But the Indian government has been opposed to a referendum, excusing itself by saying that the irregularities in Kashmir must be eradicated before carrying out any referendum.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:31pm
Now wait and see, the trolls from across the border will swarm here and yet claim they are not obsessed.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:33pm
When our poltical and military leadership would understand that Pakistanese are now least concerned of Kashmir. We want security, commodities, education and healthcare facilities, not Kashmir. Leave this Kashmir issues please and move on for God sake.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:33pm
Like Israeli changing the Palestine demographic.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:34pm
What about POK? Settlers comes from all provinces of pakistan to POK.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:34pm
No solution to this problem. Pakistan will never accept if the vote is in India's favor. No country is ready for demilitarisation. So life will go on till pakistan gets a leader which is a real leader.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:34pm
The first requirement under the UN resolution was for Pakistan to withdraw all troops and personnel from the occupied territory who were not original inhabitants on 15th Aug 1947 and hand over the territory to the UN for holding a plebiscite. The second requirement was for India to thereafter reduce its forces keeping the minimum required for its security and assist in holding of the plebiscite.Now who is guilty of not following the UN resolution?Pakistan should stop false propaganda and educate its press and people about the truth.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:38pm
Not only kashmir , demography is changing in entire india which will soon be a muslim country and nobody can stop this change.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:39pm
Oh no, not again! When will you stop this obsession and focus more on your role as foreign minister? Can't you realise your country is being dragged back to the dark ages while the rest of the world is moving forward?
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Feb 04, 2015 02:41pm
At least in India we have not heard of it.
And what Pakistan has done.., During 1947 In Pakistan what was Hindu population and today what is it.
In that comparision in India, Muslim % has gone up high.
Do not comment just like that.
Kamal
India
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Feb 04, 2015 02:41pm
I wish that were true!
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Feb 04, 2015 02:41pm
India should follow example of Pakistan and not allow anybody to settle in kashmir other than the localities ,demography should be maintained.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:42pm
if indian govt is doing that it will be good for everyone. Muslim needs to encourage to do family planing
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Feb 04, 2015 02:42pm
A country which has virtually wiped out its Hindu population, which continues to abduct minor Hindu girls in Sindh accuses India of changing demography in Kashmir. As to the accusation itself, given a chance every minority citizen of Pakistan would wish to migrate to India, to your great joy, and not even a handful of Muslims will migrate to Pakistan, to our great joy.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:44pm
Hahaha.. So OIC is worried about kashmir than Isis who is right behind their backs with a knife to slit...
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Feb 04, 2015 02:45pm
please take Kashmir along with all the 120 Muslims living in India. This is the unfinished agenda of the two-nation theory. So please hurry up and take all your Muslims living in all parts of India along with Kashmir. India will be much better off without Kashmir and Muslims.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:45pm
Jammu Kashmir was a Hindu majority state hence was ruled by a Hindu king.
Everyone knows how Hindu majority turned into minority.
Times have changed.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:46pm
Inshallah Kashmir will become Pakistan ! A muslim majority province will never be under control of hindu rulers. This is just Kashmir, wonder if Pakistani Punjab and Sindh were invaded by India and India would never would have lived in peace.
Hold a plebsicte as the Jahwaral Nehru, cried after he lost Kashmir to Pakistan and took it to UN himself, promising Jinnah, he will hold a plebscite. Now hold the plebscite and let Pakistan complete its country, start a good relationship with India, be friends forever.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:47pm
Kashmir was full of hindus before some them were converted by force. Kashmir, and even pakistan will prosper like lndia if the demography is balanced by people of all faiths, especially hindus.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:52pm
If the Indian government is indeed doing it --- and I'm not saying that's the case ---, that's its prerogative....it's being on its soil. What's itching you?
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Feb 04, 2015 02:54pm
Ohh wow look who is talking? whole Pakistan was once HIndu dominated who change it? in case of Kashmir who forcefully thorough out Kashmir pandit from valley?
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Feb 04, 2015 02:54pm
If you keep repeating a statement people start believing on it. In same way Indian government is working. Playing well but sorry dear fellows Freedom is birth right for Kashmiris.
Kashmiris cast votes not for India but to show the world that their struggle is peaceful and they believe on democracy.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:55pm
The foremost obligation under the UN resolution on Kashmir is this: Pakistan withdraws its troops from Pakistan Occupied Kashmir and returns entire Kashmir to India for a period to establish peaceful environment needed to carry out plebiscite. UN is waiting for Pakistan to take the first step. Pakistan is the main party obstructing plebiscite in Kashmir.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:56pm
Just return grabbed lands on Kashmir pandits in Pakistan occupied Kashmir .and allow to live them peacefully .you just concentrate Baluchistan .
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Feb 04, 2015 02:57pm
Nothing New!!! Always barks on UN resolution, so highly intellectual foreign secretary talk to India in eye to eye conversation than you will find first leave ur theoretically azad kashmir free. Next War With India surely make it happen, who knows next Baluchistan will be new born nation. Because ur extra smart government doesn't know how to prosper the life of people. Pak Army had killed lot of baluchi people and till INDIA is silent.
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Feb 04, 2015 02:58pm
Pakistan so badly needs to focus on its own problems that they would do themselves a favour by simply disbanding their foreign ministry! :-)
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Feb 04, 2015 02:59pm
And the output is nobody responded...LOL
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Feb 04, 2015 03:01pm
With the current scenario of world politics no OIC member will support Pakistan on this subject. Just have a look at the world map with OIC member countires highlighted you will notice that they are themselves either busy in addressing terrorism or effect of terrorism.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:02pm
No one in world interested in listening such things except pakistan.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:02pm
A country where citizens are killed in violence everyday, where mosques are bombed regularly, where even school children are not spared is talking about UN resolution in another country. Not only shameful,but, laughable too.
OIC members know the condition of FATA & NWFP where so many Muslims are killed by air force bombing everyday. Who you think are fooling?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:03pm
Sum of 57 zero is nothing but zero.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:03pm
Black face of India
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Feb 04, 2015 03:03pm
Good way of Time Pass when you dont have anything important to do or you are not capable of doing anything else except shouting Kashmir...
go on it has given you a lot in past it wil definitely give you that in future too.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:04pm
Don't we have enough worries of our own in the remaining provinces before we start worrying about Kashmir? Lets make ourselves a peaceful nation and hope the Kashmiri's want to join us themselves rather than the other way around.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:04pm
As per 2011 census, Muslim % in J&K population has gone up from 67% to 68.3%
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Feb 04, 2015 03:04pm
Pakistan should forget about Kashmir and concentrate on terror outfits and eliminating them...
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Feb 04, 2015 03:04pm
Hahahah! Can we please get the gas and petrol from these OIC countries first? Indians are playing things smartly and have all the right to do so. Why do you want to divert the attention of all the world to this Kashmir issue? Do we already not have many problems to deal with?
even the word Kashmir comes from the rishi kashmiri of ancient India. I am a proud muslim but recently I came to know that my ancestors were converted by force. My great great grandmother was raped and forcefuly married to a muslim. Yes brothers, most of us were Hindus before until the marauding troops of persians and afghans converted us. by force. I sincerely think it is time to delve more into our history
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Feb 04, 2015 03:05pm
Hello sir,
We are having third largest muslim population in the world
and it is quiet practical to give OIC membership to Indian
Muslim population also. I request Pakistan not to block that
process when they apply for it. Indian muslims also having
friends in the arab world. Particularly the deobandis.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:05pm
Memo to foreign secretary and the incompetent PMLN leadership.
India has forged good relations with all Islamic majority countries except Pakistan so does the foreign secretary really think any of these OIC countries will take a stand on Kashmir? They can't even take a stand against Israel or Syria in their own backyard. Wake up and stop living in some make belief la la land.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:06pm
I guess you should concentrate on what is happening in Pakistan right now, give electricity and petrol to your own people, forget about kashmiris for the time being!
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Feb 04, 2015 03:06pm
India is not serious resolving Kashmir issue so Pakistan need to highlight Kashmir more on international level
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Feb 04, 2015 03:08pm
So all the atrocities are going on in Kashmir and no body in the world is worried about it except you. Why So?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:08pm
There is nothing new in these assertions. Past is weighing heavily on present as certain habits are taking too long to die. Sad part of this drama is that there is no sincere effort from both parties to break the dead lock. Meanwhile common people of Kashmir and Jammu are held hostage against their wishes. Either they are refugees or captives in their own ancestral land.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:12pm
Here we go again...
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Feb 04, 2015 03:12pm
So every Muslim dominated areas is naturally a part of Pakistan?? MR FS, wiki Kashmir and u would probably know it was the land of Saints and Buddhism...who are now no more to be found...who replaced them???
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Feb 04, 2015 03:13pm
OIC not only influence India but also China to get out from Uighar province. If OIC fail, we will ask Organization of Christian Countries (OCC) to influence them. Finally we also seek the support of Israel in this issue. OK?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:15pm
If honorable foreign secretary is hinting at settlement of Kashmir Pandits, there should no issue as they are integral part of Kashmir for ages. If they are welcomed back ( Hurriyat conference has no objections in principle), it should not be seen as demographic change as muslims will still be majority.
By the way, OIC does not have any teeth( paper tiger). India has a large ( at least 2nd and 3rd largest ) muslim population. OIC never did anything substantial for them. With sheer size of muslim population, India deserves to be member of OIC. Please Mr. Foreign secretary! do not involve OIC. Pakistan will loose whatever legitimacy it has in Kashmir. Please talk directly to Indian Government as decided by Simla and Lahore agreements.We should respect all bilateral agreements. Please remind India emphatically about the obligations of all bilateral agreements.We will go nowhere if you harp UN resolutions again and again. Nobody is listening to us.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:16pm
Pakistan has been settling non-Kashmiris all along in Azad Kashmir since 1947.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:19pm
Mr. Foreign Secretary, you've been doing this for several years now. Nobody has cared till now. But the question is, Did anyone in the audience care this time?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:20pm
Sir, what about 5000 Hindus migrating from Pakistan to India every year? Please note Kashmir is more safer and peaceful than Karachi.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:21pm
Kashmir is the window from which the HINDU Muslim issues of the subcontinent can be solved . Re divide India of before 1947 according to population ratio of 1947 as per the census report of 1941 still available and solve all problems by exchange of population . If Kashmiri Muslims are not ready to live with Hindus peacefully then Hindus are also not ready to live with Muslims .
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Feb 04, 2015 03:24pm
OIC is a joke
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Feb 04, 2015 03:25pm
Kashmir has become a tool for Pakistani politicians to divert it's people from internal issues or be relevant.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:26pm
As a Kashmiri , let me ask you to give an honest answer to this question : Do you really think that Kashmiri's will have a decent life as a part of Pakistan ?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:27pm
You first give independence to Baluchistan and KPK.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:28pm
You are speaking to deaf and dumb body
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Feb 04, 2015 03:28pm
Foreign secretary must furnish proof. Where as Kashmeree Pandits were killed, their women raped and hounded out of Kasmere leaving their property behind. If terrorists are not pushed from across the border by Pakistan, there will be no need to maintain army in the valley. Ladhak and Jammu region are peaceful.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:29pm
This Kashmir fixation is bound to drown Pakistan in presumed angst.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:29pm
Do you reckon anybody cares about OIC in this world?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:30pm
Yaar come on wake up, don't make your countrymen fool. You must know that according to constitution of India and Kashmir, no person, out side the Kashmir, can purchase the property and settle in Kashmir. Tum Log bhi na yaar kuchh bhi bolte rahte ho..........
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Feb 04, 2015 03:32pm
This guy lives in Cuckoo land. After getting terrorists to drive out all Pandits from the Valley and their ancestral lands, the foreign office spokesperson wants to turn the situation on its head. How people holding such high position can turn liars baffles not just Indians but the world at large.
Article 370 of the Indian Constitution does not allow non Kashmiri to settle in Kashmir or buy land there. This joker does not know even this simple fact and is assuming that India is doing what Pakistan has done to its part of Kashmir for decades -- settle outsiders there. The image of Pakistan down in the dumps,has only fallen further.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:32pm
@Majboor and then after this 'time being' when Pakistan gives petrol and electricity, the demand of Kashmir will become legitimate?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:33pm
Dear Pakistani Foreign Secretary.. When is pakistan vacating Jammu & Kashmir under the same resolution you refer time and again. Stop fooling your public.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:34pm
Western areas of Pakistan much bigger than Kashmir are not in the control of Pakistan government because of inefficiency and corruption. I would say Pakistan should concentrate on its citizens and their welfare instead of wasting money on unfulfillable dreams.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:34pm
India is a secular country and fyi there is no demarcation within Indian Union where a person based on his religion cannot reside. It seems that the Pak guys are getting confused on non existent issues.
Also, fyi, we are tired of these issues which are revolving in a loop. Be innovative, come up with new issues. LOL :)
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Feb 04, 2015 03:36pm
this is partial reporting..in 1971, ZAB agreed to deal Kashmir as a bilateral issue without any external intervention which includes UN. so there is no chance of plebiscite in Kashmir.
Coming to de-militarization, why dont pakistan do it first?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:37pm
Keep worrying about Kashmir.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:37pm
haha...already started making excuses..no kashmiri on Indian side wants to join Pakistan anyways..they only want azadi or more autonomy within India (they dont want to let go of the benefits either!).. Pakistan is already ready with excuses cos they know what the result of a referendum will be.. Just goes to show, terrorism is not going to stop even if a referendum is held!! They will fight for the 2% people who voted to merge with Pakistan!!
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Feb 04, 2015 03:38pm
Even if its true, is it also not true that Pak supported militants have either finished Hindus in Kashmir or have pushed the Kashmiri pandits out of Kashmir. You never raised the concern of changing the demographics that time. It can only be termed as "Hypocrisy @ its best".
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Feb 04, 2015 03:38pm
Can we please concentrate on Pakistan? I think we should be requesting these OIC to provide us with petrol and gas. And Indians are smart in changing the demographics of Kashmir. Any country works for its own interests. I am a proud Muslim, but recently I got to know that my great great grandmother was raped and forcefully married off to a muslim man. Yes brothers! many of us were hindus before. I think it is high time we study our own history. LIke me probably all of us were converted by force!
ishallah! may he bless pakistan.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:39pm
and btw, the only demographic change that has happened is the forced kicking out of kashmiri pandits from the valley.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:39pm
No free and fair elections in Pakistan ever. Out of 68 years it has been independent 62 years under military rule. No religious freedom. Not only Christians, Hindus Sikhs but also Shia Muslims are persecuted here. The Army and ISI are close to being called terrorist organisations.
That does not prevent the feeble Pakistani government from Blabbering. As if anybody is even listening.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:40pm
Now you can forget about talks for the next 10 years. Modi reads Dawn, you know.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:40pm
King of kashmir voluntarily ceded to India and as many other princely states ceded to Pakistan and India as per their choice and free volition. Historically Kashmir belongs to India and in all fairness Pakistan is creating problems for itself by raising this issue again and again. What will happen to Muslims that are resident in India if for any reason Kashmir secede from India, will their lives and assets be safe, will 57 OIC be ready to take them or Pakistan will take them en masse? Pakistan has to learn that by raising Muslim and Islam it is going down the drain. No Islamic country has ever been peaceful, for a Muslim majority country to be a peaceful nation it has to deviate 360 degree from what is practised in majority of Muslim countries. The shining examples of two Muslim majority countries progressing and living peacefully for decades are Turkey and Tunisia, where veil was legally banned, discrimination against women (as is practised in middle east and Pakistan etc.) was legally banned, where women indulge in (no judgemental argument, whether it is right or wrong) drinking and top the list of the world in highest consumption of alcohol amongst ladies (Tunisia). It is in Pakistan's interest to revert to South Asian values and distance itself from useless religious club of 57 nations that are always at loggerheads and mix good governance with dictatorship, extremism and fanaticism. This is 21st century. Wake up Hukumrans!
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Feb 04, 2015 03:41pm
@Maqbool Bhat : you said it, Maqbool....
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Feb 04, 2015 03:42pm
Only solution to Kashmir problem is Pakistan vacating POK.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:42pm
Should we go on stressing on Kashmir as our major most problem? In my opinion we should look other important problems existing in our country. Education, health, social injustice, religious bias, sectarianism, crimes, militancy, terrorism etc. are such problems which are pushing back the country in difficulties and darkness. They need attention. Is there any one who can help the country ?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:42pm
These guys have no other issue to talk of now? The same old deceit and lies. We are in 2015 and Pakistanis deserve statesmen and visionaries. Think of the Pakistani people who are as brilliant as any in the world and use them to uplift the country.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:42pm
Terrorist are changing the demography of Kashmir, they have driven Pandits out. So Mr. Secretary why are you wasting your tax payers' hard money by organizing and blabbering in such jamborees.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:43pm
Good luck with your day dreams..
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Feb 04, 2015 03:45pm
OIC ?
Whom will Pakistan appeal to next ? The neighborhood Boy Scouts or Ladies Kitty Party Club ?
Really scraping the bottom of the barrel aren't we ?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:46pm
Why Pakistan does not hold plebiscite in Azad Kashmir under the UN resolution?
And when will China hold plebiscite in that part of Kashmir which is given by Pakistan to China?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:48pm
@Maqbool Bhat you are witnessing the prosperity and quality of life in bakistan. They love their Shia brethren, ahmedis, Christians and Hindus. It is a pure land of milk and honey.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:49pm
when you say "development of the region" I assume you mean Pakistan in specific, because India seems to be well set on its charted course of development and prosperity. Besides, we are not the one facing power, oil and lifeline crisis at this point of time. We do have issues but nothing that can't be taken care of without having to exchange sweets with Pakistan.
Focus on your internal issues and leave rest to us..
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Feb 04, 2015 03:50pm
How this guy is holding the post of FS? He must know the basic condition of UN resolution which says pakistan needs to withdraw all its troops and outsiders from kashmir first then India will reduce the force (not withdraw completely). A humble request to all readers to read the UN resolution atleast once.
It is very shocking that Dawn, the most powerful and respected newspaper in Pakistan is so ill informed about UN resolution on Kashmir...
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Feb 04, 2015 03:51pm
Irony is these "non-state citizens" are basically west-Pakistan refugees of Hindu and Sikh ancestry..In first place, Pakistan should feel guilty as they have to flee from it..secondly, it should be thankful to India for giving them safe refuge..
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Feb 04, 2015 03:52pm
@Karthik you are right and who do we thank for that? You! Your government is supporting and training the Mafia over here.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:53pm
They are taking instructions from the Joos.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:53pm
Dnt make pakistan a laughing stock
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Feb 04, 2015 03:53pm
Now that UN/US/China have stopped giving heed to false Pak stories ; OIC seems the last resort for you. Goodluck Mr. Aizaz. . And even OIC doesnot help you out - you'll get ample time to divert attention of Pak public from core issues of lawlessness /terrorism in your country
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Feb 04, 2015 03:54pm
I know you still blame us on separating Bangladesh . It was not our fault because you thought religion was the unifying factor vs . Culture . Please get over your mistake . Forget kashmir and once try to be the most developed Muslim state
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Feb 04, 2015 03:55pm
Is this true..? If it is india must fast track this process as China is doing in Tibet by settling the Han settlers and Pakistan is doing in balochistan .If china and Pakistan can do why not india in Kashmir ?
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Feb 04, 2015 03:56pm
@Harmony There is no harm listening to the otherside of story. Maybe, it will arouse human conscience beyond religious lines
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Feb 04, 2015 03:56pm
Unfortunately our politicians don't raise the point of our rivers drying up. This is an extreme negligence equivalent to being 'enemy of the state'.
All this is very easy to solve if we get loyal politicians.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:57pm
What will pakistan do with kashmir? Deprive them of power and petrol like the rest of pakistan? You dont even have enough money to feed your own. Stop this obsession.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:57pm
The best solution to this Kashmir issue is to turn LOC into border. Pakistan can have its Kashmir and India will have its own.
I have been to Indian Kashmir and talked to people there. Not a single person said that they want to be with Pakistan. Most of their tourism depends on Indians. A few said they wanted this so called 'azadi'. I asked them why and they didn't have any answer.
India is never going to let it go the part of Kashmir it has.
Pakistan should concentrate on their internal problems and so should India.
This is how I think relations will improve.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:57pm
During the deliberations of UN 2 resolutions were passed. In the resolutions 6 activities had to be completed
1. Pakistan should remove all its direct and indirect forces active in J&K
2. Territorial integrity of J&K should be restored.
3. AJK army and government has to be disbanded
4. Ceasefire has to be implemented immediately
5. India should maintain requisite number of forces to maintain law and order
6. Once law and order is restored, India should have plebiscite.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:57pm
I hope there will be a morning to this long dark night. God are you hearing me.
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Feb 04, 2015 03:58pm
Foreign secretary dont fool world , everyone knows who u are . If Kashmir included in to pak how u will protect minority Shia muslims and Hindu pundits ? Y referendum only in Kashmir ? Y not in Balochistan ? Y thousands of balochis missing ? What steps did government take to protect minorities so far ? Kashmiris living happily with Indian administration . But who is living happily in Pak ? only terrorists . DAWN in its editorial accused Indian army indulged in violation of human rights in Kashmir . Ok DAWN pl open u r eyes and report pathetic condition of HINDUS , CHRISTIANS , HAJARAS and SHIAS in SIndh region .
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Feb 04, 2015 03:58pm
Pakistani foreign office has been a failure and will continue to be so since demographic change is sheer falsehood and making sensational claims without proof makes you the laughingstock of the world.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:00pm
@kazar Pakistan is highlighting Kashmir issue on international level since its inception,but no takers.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:01pm
@Harmony haha we swarm Dawn because we can! Since we have good electricity supply and internet connections. And moreover we have the peace of mind to read more stuff. We Indian citizens want to read different world views and are not defined by government propaganda! We are not obsessed but more concerned and curious. Our govt. does not even speak of Pakistan these days!
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Feb 04, 2015 04:01pm
We still live in the past. Foreign secretary is cracking a joke here.
India is a very powerful nation now. It would not listen to anybody. Every one knows that, no one listens to OIC, then why would India listen to OIC?
The only solution to talk to India is to approach it directly and request for a talk. India will accept for talks on its own terms. We can't dictate to them.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:05pm
Dear Foreign Secretary, after Jan 05, 1949 UN resolution an agreement was signed between Late Mr. ZA Bhutto, then Hon Prime Minister of Pakistan and Late Mrs. Indira Gandhi, then Hon. Prime Minister of India - known as famous Shimla Agreement, under which all bilateral issues are to be sorted out mutually. In this connection please go through the article written by Mr. Irfan Husain in The Dawn on 18 Nov 2014. Hence the so called UN resolution has no validity in front of International forum or community.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:06pm
OIC is practically a dead body and Pakistan should not expect if this organization will do something on Kashmir. All members of this organization have their own interests with India and do we have any example where they supported Pakistan on Kashmir.we have to accept reality and get out of fools paradise by keeping hope that OIC will listen to Pakistan and miseries of Kashmiries.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:07pm
@Harmony
and what about thyself, just passing interest , I suppose.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:10pm
@ag : If the referandum votes for J&K's joining Pakistan, then Pak will accept gladly, huh?
Otherwise it will be unending agitation for ever!
May I remind Pak that "azad" Kashmir was cretaed by Pak
instigation for Muslims to rebel against India in '47?
Pak used religous majority. Now India can do the same --No?
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Feb 04, 2015 04:10pm
Not again Pakistan, Entire world is tired of listening same dialogue.First free Balochistan and Pakistan Occupied kashmir.
Stop killing of innocent Baloch and stop raping Baloch Woman. and move on to develop your Country then interfering in other countries Internal matter.No Country is interested in pakistan
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Feb 04, 2015 04:11pm
India filling up Kashmir with Hindus & POK is being filled & managed by terrorists
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Feb 04, 2015 04:12pm
@Nilesh : AND keep Waziristan and Pakhtunkhwa within
Pakistan!
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Feb 04, 2015 04:13pm
Kashmir will always have Pakistani influence regardless of Indian games.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:16pm
Israel did this in the west bank, in the Gaza strip and elsewhere in the occupied land. If Israel can do this why can't India.
India is a powerful country and need some muscle flexing.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:17pm
Let OIC first control the Israeli overtures towards Palestine and Lebanon and then come to Kashmir. OIC is just a paper tiger
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Feb 04, 2015 04:18pm
Pakistan - I hope will discipline itself talking about Kashmir for at least one week and work on the issues confronting on its domestic front.
I have my friends of Pakistan whose relatives are in Hyderabad, India.
Pakistan was part of India and Kashmir is part of India too.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:19pm
Pakistan should come out of kashmir fever.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:20pm
yawnnnnnnnnn!
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Feb 04, 2015 04:20pm
Daddy, daddy, when can I have my polio drops?
After we liberate Kashmir son
Can we turn on the lights, it is dark daddy
Get your priorities right son. Kashmir first
I am cold dad, how do I warm myself
Not till we provide succour to Kashmir
I am scared to go to school tomorrow daddy
You have to be brave to fight for the Kashmiri rights son
I am hungry and the neighbourhood tandoor is closed.
Eat grass son. It is a just cause you fight
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Feb 04, 2015 04:20pm
Some questions for the FS.
1. If you are talking about the UN resolutions of 1948, then what you signed as Simla agreement in 1972 is dead. Will it not mean returning 93,000 Pakistani POWs released under this agreement?
2. The UN resolutions require Pakistan to vacate POK before any other action. Are you ready to do that?
3. Would you agree to offer similar option to all those in NWFP and Bulochistan? They are all of Islam faith and OIC has a responsibility for them also.
4. Why did you lose East Pakistan?
5. Mr FS, we in 2015 and not in 1947.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:20pm
Except for Athmuqam district of PoK, every district now has Punjabi majority. Gilgit/ Baltistan which was 100% Shia in 1947 is almost 40% Sunni now, all Punjabi sunni settlers. Could some Pakistani please explain how a referendum can be held with such a massive colonisation of the region that has occured since 1948.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:25pm
here we have the "world largest democracy" in practice. What a farce.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:25pm
"Bird in hand is worth two in the bush", Due to wrong politics Pakistan may lose two birds if they concentrate on getting one, getting Kashmir is impossible for Pakistan. Please make realistic targets not crazy ones. After Bangladesh you may have to give up with Baluchistan and Waziristan. Being prosperous is solution to every problem, make Pakistan terrorist free , electricity and petrol abundant and please stop killing of innocent citizens.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:25pm
@Dil Dil Pakistan A country where citizens are killed in violence everyday, where mosques are bombed regularly, where even school children are not spared is talking about UN resolution in another country. Not only shameful,but, laughable too.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:27pm
It seems India is following the Chinese example if the above statement is true. As in Tibet and Xingjian no one in the world seems worried about this change by china nor is this issue raised in the OIC.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:29pm
My friends.... Refer to UN resolution. First ..Pakistan must vacate its all forces - military and paramilitary from Pakistan Occupied Kashmir
Secondly.. Refer to Shimla agreement which superceeds UN resolution and this has been ratified by Pakistani Parliament. Please check records. Zulfikar Bhutto wanted to take 93,000 Pakistani soldiers who had surrendered to Indian Military back and he signed the agreement
Thirdly.. India has been holding elections in Kashmir and in 2014 more than 70 % of the people have voted and despite the pressure from Terrorists and Separatists. The same cant be said about Pakistan Occupied Kashmir
Fourthly... Pakistan has lost half it territory which has become Bangladesh and hence two nation theory has failed
Fifthly...Pakistan is using terror groups to destabilise Jammu and Kashmir region which it must stop
Sixthly... The buddhist Ladhak region and Jammu region do not want anything to do with Pakistan.
The Shia Population of Drass and Kargil do not want to associate themselves with Pakistan
Pakistan has mounted two wars and Kargil operation on India and has not been successful.
Please stop dreaming
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Feb 04, 2015 04:29pm
No words about the forced exodus of Pandits from the valley?
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Feb 04, 2015 04:29pm
@Saad
Add Kashmir to the present basket of problems and worries and will lead to only more bombs and killings.At least they are economically better off in the present situation.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:30pm
@zaka tulla Very few people like you have courage to come up with TRUTH. I REALLY APPRECIATE YOU.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:32pm
@Mumtaz, Dear MUMTAZ Pakistan needs YOU and NOT MUMTAZ QUADRI.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:38pm
@MB you can demand the world ...i couldnt care less, but the overall point is that before you demand for anything , look at what you can offer to the kashmiris, you cannot offer anything to your own people no electricity, no energy, no security, no trade, no investments, no sport , do you really think kashmir as a demand of yours will ever be supported by any country ???
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Feb 04, 2015 04:39pm
The settlers have come here from POK during early days 1947-48. They have remained stateless since then. They are state subjects of original J&K. As such bestowing them permanency will be something that has been denied to them this long. And by the way how many people from west Punjab have settled in POK, countless. Are they state subjects?
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Feb 04, 2015 04:39pm
Majority of Kashmiri muslims are "maar maar moosalmaan i.e. forced converts". Now, they want Ghar Baapsi in free India. Who can stop them? In free India, people are free to choose their faith also.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:41pm
We Pakistanis need to retrospect. We wasted 60 years of our existence going after an impossible goal. We are labeled as a terrorist state by the global community. If we would have developed good relation with India, Pakistan would be a prosperous state. When I speak to people from India, they vindicate my stand. They want a developed and prosperous Pakistan as their neigbhour. I wish our young generation forget about the enemosity and live peacefully with India.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:44pm
I think we Pakistanis are obsessed with our religion. Why not be religious but do not bring in religion for everything. Religion is personal between you and Allah. We should not guide our young generation in this manner. By abandoning the obsession Pakistan will prosper. Let us be a moderate religious and pragmatic country.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:48pm
Pakistanis as they truly believe are not people of south asia but are middle eastern in origin hence should vacate south asia and settle in fertile cresent their original homeland , including all kashmiris and allow original south asians that is settlers in north and south india to make entire south asia their home.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:48pm
Pakistan can never think above religion line... This person has dreamed at night and giving stupid statement ..
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Feb 04, 2015 04:48pm
@Ojas - "Our govt. does not even speak of Pakistan these days". But you guys do. You represent India and your leaders represent you. You are contradicting yourself. Remain in denial if you wish but the "obsession" is exactly as I predicted. :)
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Feb 04, 2015 04:51pm
What is new? Pakistani diplomats are always spewing out venom against India just like Israeli diplomats doing against Arab countries. Pakistani diplomats should be talking about new investment opportunities and new frontiers in Pakistan and paint an uplifting upbeat picture of Pakistan. But they only talk about petty India-Pak politics. Their Kashmir venom is doing nothing to India but poisoning every part of Pakistan.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:52pm
What's the Kashmir policy of Pakistan?
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Feb 04, 2015 04:52pm
It appears that Pakistan leaders do not have any concern for the welfare of Pakistanis. They are concerned only with Kashmir. People have become fade up by hearing daily statements on Kashmir. Stop this obsession.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:53pm
So funny.. What Pakistan did with POK? All Pakistani have settled from all over country to POK.... How many Kashmiri pandits are in POK? Anybody is left?
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Feb 04, 2015 04:54pm
Whereare hindu o POK?I wish this news is correct..whereare the hindu of Pakistan..wiped out by you guys
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Feb 04, 2015 04:54pm
@Aslam Shaikh live in denial. Heard of ostrich that buries its head in sand?
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Feb 04, 2015 04:55pm
@kamal very well said. Proud to be Indian.
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Feb 04, 2015 04:55pm
For Christ's sake, can someone tell me what right has Pakistan over India? Why the claim? Wasn't Pakistan created out of India? Or am I reading the wrong English history books?
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Feb 04, 2015 04:55pm
@Majboor Forget about Kashmir? How can you ignore the atrocities against Kashmiris?
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Feb 04, 2015 04:57pm
@kazar Pakistan is not serious resolving Baluchistan, Sindh, NWFP issue so India need to highlight Baluchistan, Sindh, NWFP more on international level.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:00pm
@Maqbool Bhat very good question.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:01pm
Indians who claim that Kashmir is theirs because of the instrument of accession .....then the princes of haiderabad and junagarh chose to join Pakistan after which india occupied both states.....also the original documents of the instrument of accession of kashmir dont exist
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Feb 04, 2015 05:02pm
@UncleSAM i cant do anything but laugh at your ignorance.........then by ur logic hyderbad deccan was a muslim majority area?
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Feb 04, 2015 05:04pm
Foreign office is looking out for some work to keep itself occupied , since foreign affairs are handled by army chief
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Feb 04, 2015 05:04pm
@KRana hahaha north west british india was always Muslim majority .......and those few hindus who lived their migrated to india
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Feb 04, 2015 05:04pm
what about the 90's when the Hindu Pandits were forced to flee from their ancestral homes in Kashmir? why was Pak silent then?
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Feb 04, 2015 05:06pm
The worlds are coming down,
The flags are up,
who's wanna be No 1
who's gonna take up the cup
who'll be
who'll be the king
It's in a once in the lifetime chance.
Who rule the world
Gotta to see who rule the world.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:06pm
Pakistan changing whole demography of PoK from local and shia majority to punjabi and sunni majority.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:06pm
@Hilarious atrocities against kashmiris?? why you guys never speak up against the atrocities against your own people by the Arabs?? a prince comes and shoots down all the birds and your government rolls out a red carpet for them and you want be advocates for kashmiris...trust me they are much better off than people in pakistan!!
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Feb 04, 2015 05:11pm
@Pc its actually quite similar in india i guess........abusing women has become a joke people are killed by naxalites and the red corridor is not controled by india
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Feb 04, 2015 05:12pm
@kazar But not a single Kashmiri wants to be part of Pakistan! Wonder why? We wish they ALL go including Shahrukh Khan
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Feb 04, 2015 05:13pm
He did not watch PK.Humans r not born with labels,why than Label them.R u authorized by GOD to let only people with certain Labels only to live in certain territory. Why Pakistan is not adopting secularism ,when all the civilized countries r doing so.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:13pm
@Shehzad cannot agree more, these rulers, unable to provide roti, kapra, makaan, bijli, petrol, etc are selling Kashmir to people for the last 67 years
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Feb 04, 2015 05:15pm
Pakistan has 70% more land for each of its citizens; also has Kashmir under its control; why not Mind-its-own business and focus on its own future. Not one square inch will be grabbed through proxy-way and overt war; only the Pakistani military and the militants gain with a continuous obsession against neighbors; Pakistan is getting destroyed in the bargain.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:19pm
@V K Das
Absolutely WRONG!
Pakistani Armyis not inside Kashmir. They guard the borders only that also from indian side. Unlike us India has its forces in every small nook and corner in kashmir.
The way you going to change the population percentage in terms of religion im sure muslim community in Indian Occupied Kashmir will start to retaliate against the settlers like happening in Palestine.
The best part is that Our Foreign office has highlighted this issue, otherwise there would have been a bigger problem..
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Feb 04, 2015 05:20pm
@Shehzad : We are concerned about Kashmir. Please don't use word 'we'. Post your comments individually.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:21pm
Dear Indian brothers - only solution to this mess is .... keep your kashmir with u and we keep our kashmir with us .... enough is enough .... we are ruining or trade bussness and economy becoz of this kashmir issue .... normal pakistanis are least interested in kashmir ....
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Feb 04, 2015 05:24pm
@V K Das Bang on .. this is the UN resolution. If both the countries follow it will resolve the JK issue.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:24pm
@javed Correction please! It is not POK (Pakistani Occupied Kashmir), it is Azad Kashmir, It has its on federation, it is not a Province of Pakistan!
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Feb 04, 2015 05:25pm
I don't knw why Dawn didn't found fit 2 also mention d tht UN decision was non - binding, or tht just few months back UN Chief has said fr d third time tht plebiscite is no more a sensible option nd both countries should solve it bilaterally. Also, why don't 'DAWN' mentioned d demographic changes tht have come in POK.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:27pm
Pakistan should start worrying about it's own problems and leave the Kashmir issue between India and Kashmir. Pakistan has plenty of problems to tackle at this time including radical terror issue and increasing sectarian violence.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:31pm
@yagyavalkya And what about Tripura, Nagaland, Tamil Nado, Aasam...............besides Kashmir!!
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Feb 04, 2015 05:32pm
You may be right. abrogation of article 370 may give right to Indian citizen to buy land and settle in Kashmir. But Sir you have already, in last 65 years, done this change of demography in POK. You never had any restrictions for Pakistani citizens settling in occupied Kashmir. So why cry.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:32pm
All right, that's what Pakistan said. What did the OIC say during or after the meeting ? Nothing. If Pakistan doesn't improve, Kashmir issue, if ever resolved, will be resolved as per India's terms and conditions.
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Feb 04, 2015 05:32pm
UN intervention in Jammu & Kashmir is neutralized after 1972 Shimla Accord. Even if UN Resolution is to be followed, Pakistan is to vacate the occupied portion of the state and then plebiscite is to be carried out. India is ready. Is Pakistan ?
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Feb 04, 2015 05:37pm
@Shehzad ...good thinking
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Feb 04, 2015 05:51pm
@janus a sign of illiteracy in the comunity....
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Feb 04, 2015 05:52pm
@Muhammad Iqbal "OIC is just a paper tiger"
Am surprised that u said "tiger" ...
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Feb 04, 2015 05:56pm
Keep dreaming !!
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Feb 04, 2015 06:00pm
A country where at the time of independence, Population of Hindus was 15% and now its not even 1%. a country Where to get a Passport, not just you must affirm you faith in islam but you also Affirm that Ahmadias are non-Muslims. where Sikhs are getting killed in KPK Region. where Christian homes and churches are burning every day. where almost every hindu temple has been desecrated. where Shia's live under constant threat and have been killed in thousands. where Baloch people are getting killed in thousands and Mass graves are getting unfolded now. A country which killed almost 3 million bengali's and thousands of Women were raped. a country with which almost every terrorist has some relation with has Balls to talk about suspected Demographic Change in J&K................Wow!!
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Feb 04, 2015 06:02pm
@Muhammad Imran Yousafzai
Please be brave to give honest answer to my questions?
Is this independent federation has its own prime-minister?
Is this federation has their own army, foreign policy, monetary policy etc as all other normal fereration have?
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Feb 04, 2015 06:03pm
@javed
Sorry Sir, probably you don't know the area well. It is other way round. Most of the Kashmiris are settled in Pakistan. I wish comments were honest enough for the knowledge of the readers.
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Feb 04, 2015 06:05pm
@zaka tulla You had a valid point. Thanks to react bravely.
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Feb 04, 2015 06:07pm
@yagyavalkya lol joke of the day .........Pakhtuns are the most patriotic people in Pakistan......as for Balochistan half of the pop. Is Pukhtun while only a small minority of the remaining half wants independance
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Feb 04, 2015 06:11pm
@janus ha ha ha.. keep dreaming.
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Feb 04, 2015 06:11pm
@Harmony what makes you think you are not one!
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Feb 04, 2015 06:14pm
The establishment relies on unsubstantiated claims which will only reinforce the countries image as a crybaby
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Feb 04, 2015 06:26pm
pakistan can not administer itself why ask for more trouble.
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Feb 04, 2015 06:26pm
@Shehzad All points you mention cmes back to the issue of kashmir. Conflict scenario will take away funds for the poor on arms, like India is doing
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Feb 04, 2015 06:27pm
The more the attempt to change the demographics the more the violence spreads.
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Feb 04, 2015 06:29pm
In 1952 only 84 Nations were in the UN and Pakistan raised Kashmir Issue and the justification as a Muslim region to join Pakistan. In 1971 Pakistan accepted Bangladesh as a separate Muslim country in front of 130 Nations in UN. Today UN has 193 Countries and except Pakistan no one in UN talk about Kashmir. Our representative in UN speaks to empty chairs while Pakistanis in pakistan are deprived from basic rights, justice, safety and livelihood.
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Feb 04, 2015 06:40pm
It was Pakistan which did not withdraw all its raiders and troops from J-K as required by the UNSC resolution before plebiscite.
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Feb 04, 2015 06:51pm
I am truly amazad at the Pakistani foreign policies, seems like they have not changed the speech in 50 years.
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Feb 04, 2015 06:58pm
U.N.Resolution August 13, 1948.
This is the most significant resolution passed by the UN on the state of Jammu & Kashmir. It clearly states that Pakistan was to vacate its troops from the whole of the state.
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Feb 04, 2015 07:02pm
@Mumtaz : Gr8, Mumtaz. You have highlighted correct points.
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Feb 04, 2015 07:06pm
@Harmony furthermore ,i feel Pakistan is no match for India in any field whether its military or economic.
Pakistan should also understand that now the entire world is influenced by economics rather than fire power.
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Feb 04, 2015 07:08pm
@sunil Sikhs are much safer in Pakistan than india. Every year tens of thousands of them flock to Pakistan as it is their holy land. By the way please don't talk about violence against Christians when this year alone several churches were burned in Delhi alone
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Feb 04, 2015 07:10pm
We should follow Tibet model where Hans are being settled in large numbers....If indian government really lets this happen then there will be no Kashmir issue in 10 years
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Feb 04, 2015 07:11pm
It could've been one solution if Indians are really that efficient as Pakistani think. Time have come when Pakistani leader should move away from Kashmir and start facing up real problems. We are burning our homes to make someone else happier, what we even get if ever Kashmiries got Kashmir. India and Indian doing much better on larger scale whereas our leader has only one obsession.........time to move on..........N O W.
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Feb 04, 2015 07:13pm
@Two-state theory bang on brother
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Feb 04, 2015 07:18pm
i request here to all pakistani leaders stakeholders and policy makers , not to trust on china us russia and india restore oic please . our shoulders have tired by exercising and dragging the bodies of our people. no one is affected nor china nor india nor us only the fuel of this proxy war are pakistani people. no one is shia no one is sunni all are muslim all are brothers please stop this bloodshed please
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Feb 04, 2015 07:21pm
@Sarita Talwai good one!
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Feb 04, 2015 07:27pm
@jo They will also claim they are arabs.
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Feb 04, 2015 07:32pm
@Cyrus Ho
Like China changing Uighur demographic.
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Feb 04, 2015 07:35pm
Pakistanis are running to any one who is willing to give sympathetic ear to them. How will achieve parity with and respect from India in this fashion?
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Feb 04, 2015 07:38pm
So what's wrong?.....in changing demographics. China does this in XIngxiang province witn the influx of Hans......
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Feb 04, 2015 07:43pm
Kashmir obsession is stale news.
Glad to note Indian readers and people worldwide read and respond to events reported in Dawn. It is important for Indians and others to keep an eye on what happens in pakistan. Ones needs to stay close to one's sworn enemies.
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Feb 04, 2015 08:15pm
Hindu and muslim theories are old now a days.
This is endless debate. Time and conditions has changed and best solution is to keep present situation upward.
Other solution are not possible.
Kashmiries should understand that there is no separate Kashmir is not in either pakistan nor indian agenda.
Only peace will help them to communicate both sides of kashmirs.
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Feb 04, 2015 08:24pm
Muslims were just 12% of Indian population after 1947, Today Muslim population is well above 18% of Indian population... Crores of Muslims from Bangladesh have cross border and stay in India for their livelihood. Today Sikh are the biggest contingent of Indian army and Every next Indian army chief is a Sikh. Any minority in India can aspire to reach to highest post in government, business and army; nothing short of President of India. Today first time in Bangladesh the Chief justice of Bangladesh is a Hindu.
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Feb 04, 2015 08:32pm
@Named
There is a neighborhood near my home which is entirely muslim. Should that 2 square miles of land accede to pakistan by your logic ? Dont ignore geographical proximity when it comes to defining nation states.
Maybe east pakistan would have stayed with you if it were physically connected in spite of the linguistic distance.
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Feb 04, 2015 08:42pm
Zak where are you?
This is your one and only favorite subject!
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Feb 04, 2015 08:43pm
@Shehzad : Very true Mr Shehzad. It is time for the Pakistani establishment to understand the need of the Pakistani citizens (specially the Youth) and provide them a healthy and encouraging environment to grow. You have to think in long term perspective
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Feb 04, 2015 08:45pm
@asgher u need to do a bit more reasearch on 'terrorism'.
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Feb 04, 2015 08:49pm
first they write about and then they complain why Indians are here? half of pakistanis newspapers are full of India related articles.
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Feb 04, 2015 08:50pm
China is hitting hard on Muslims and changing demographics of Muslim territories all the time. Where were you? Eating General Tso's Chicken?
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Feb 04, 2015 08:59pm
@Shehzad Not only you any right thinking person will echo what you are stating. This Kashmere issue will not be settled in our lifetime. Why to spoil peaceful existence in our life time.
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Feb 04, 2015 09:04pm
@Ahmed Gul definitely my friend...!! we will stand with you on your upliftment...!! we can combine together to eradicate poor, unemployment, trade deficit and terrorism...!! we are the people of oldest indus valley civilization...!!
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Feb 04, 2015 09:13pm
I am really surprised and amazed by the people fighting over an issue which neither India nor pakistan wants to resolve..Its all business now guys....India-Pakistan peace is something which none of the sides want...we people from both sides think thru our hearts not our minds and this is what politicians from both sides are taking advantage of, they keep the issues burning so people keep hating each other and they can get what they want.....being in a different country has given me a clear picture of how both the countries r fooling their own people...
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Feb 04, 2015 09:18pm
Pakistan can even manage to handle the land they own but want to add more to it.
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Feb 04, 2015 09:34pm
Shall we worry about petrol and electricity ?
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Feb 04, 2015 09:44pm
This is not a breaking news. The Indian government is following this strategy since it militarily invaded Jammu and Kashmir on October 27, 1948.
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Feb 04, 2015 09:47pm
@kazar what will you get education food oil progress prosperity. Your government is fooling you in the name of Kashmir so that you forget about basic issues.
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Feb 04, 2015 09:53pm
Ha, See the same policy adopted by Israel in Palestine. This policy has come straight from Israel advising India to do the same that is to change the demographic of the area as they have done in Palestine and in time (say 20-30 years) you would have settlers claiming the entire region and thus problem solved. I can 't comprehend India will stoop to so low to actually adopt Israeli policy of enslavement. They are setting their house on fire and trust me on that America will only watch with a wry smile. Is this really India wants? A Palestine in their backyard?
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Feb 04, 2015 09:53pm
@kazar I dont see the World supporting Pakistan on this...
It will be a futile excercise...
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Feb 04, 2015 10:00pm
@Mumtaz thank you I am a Hindu but feel that if India has to progress we all has to progress. We need citizens like you
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Feb 04, 2015 10:01pm
what a wasted opportunity? GCC countries have over 1 Trillion $'s in Cash, instead of FM talking about bringing investments, or providing better facilities to Pakistani immigrants working in GCC countries. This guy is talking about Kashmir, Remember in UN when Nawaz was talking about kashmir, no body was there in audience to listen.
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Feb 04, 2015 10:04pm
@abdul khan he is not serious just fooling the ordinary citizens of Pakistan
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Feb 04, 2015 10:05pm
What about the first two clauses of the resolution? No wonder Pakistans' bureaucrats are leading the nation nowhere.
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Feb 04, 2015 10:17pm
Since our creation we have changed our demographics due to social or political pressures so how does it matter if Kashmir's demographic changes. We should be looking for the advancement of the people of Azad Kashmir.
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Feb 04, 2015 10:27pm
@SamKelly you don't make any sense. Stop whining
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Feb 04, 2015 10:32pm
@janus LOL.
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Feb 04, 2015 10:43pm
Well, when public complains lack of "roti kapda aur makaan", (lately power and gas too!) just use the Kashmir trump card as always! Unfortunately, in Pakistan it has worked time and again, so sad.
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Feb 04, 2015 10:59pm
Take care of ur home and country guys stop worrying for others they will take care of themselves.
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Feb 04, 2015 11:23pm
Can you guys worry about Pakistan??? its high time Pakistan takes the right road and stop worrying what happens where it has no control
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Feb 04, 2015 11:44pm
@Harmony Well, its a response to Pakistan's obsession with Kashmir actually. This is not really an obsession from the other side of the border, but an attempt to communicate the other side of the story. Remember there are two sides of a coin...
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Feb 05, 2015 12:15am
India just don't care. Keep complaining to everyone.
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Feb 05, 2015 01:11am
@Nilesh in that case India will be at loss
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Feb 05, 2015 01:26am
@Ahmed Gul very very true and commendable. We are children of same ancestors and look what we are doing to each other. Just because of the dirty games of politicians.
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Feb 05, 2015 02:44am
The world must be laughing at the two countries. Like a broken record, the same mantra has been repeated zillion times since 1949. Not a single fresh idea has cropped up.
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Feb 05, 2015 03:02am
This issue is hurting Pakistan a whole lot more than India. We need to get past this and focus on the economy and education. For me and I bet for million others, Economy and Education is much more important than Kashmir. What a drag!
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Feb 05, 2015 04:29am
If Organization of Islamic Cooperation (IOC) endorses Pakistan's claim over Kashmir, it must also support the country with money, material and men and not leave that for the United Nation.
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Feb 05, 2015 05:24am
Whenever there is a statement about Kashmir, how come no Kashmiri does anything about it? Why not just free yourself form both India and Pakistan and then decide what you wanna do and do talk about the part under Chinese control. What about that?
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Feb 05, 2015 05:48am
Kashmir is important for Pakistan. It's the only thing that binds Pakistanis together.
If you take kashmir out of the picture, the politicians will have nothing to talk about. How will they get votes? How will the army get a disproportionately larger share of the budget?
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Feb 05, 2015 05:59am
@Ahmer I think Pakistan should have some self respect here. They have gone several times to UN and being ignored. Lately OIC is doing the same. No OIC country wants to be in India's bad books.
I will be really surprised if even one country in the world today endorses pakistan's viewpoint.
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Feb 05, 2015 06:00am
Now that OIC has been apprised, we can relax.
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Feb 05, 2015 06:00am
demographic of Indian Punjab is changing with Saudi dollars reviving and opening new madrassa and you complaining of Kashmir.it is very hard for anyone to compete with procreation by Indian significant minority.
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Feb 05, 2015 06:00am
so what are we going to do . maybe call un , us or let ZAk take care of it
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Feb 05, 2015 06:01am
To be fair to India, I see very little evidence of changing demographics in Kashmir.
Except ofcourse if the Indian army doesnt decide to settle their 700,000 odd soldier's families in J&K.
India wont hold a plebiscite, nor Pakistan is in a position to do anything about it. So lets just give it a rest and move on. Maybe 50-100 years down the line things might change.
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Feb 05, 2015 06:02am
@kazar
call un and usa please
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Feb 05, 2015 06:19am
@Two-state theory was a given a decent burial at Dacca on Dec. 16, 1971. So the only solution to this mess is for the bureaucrats like Mr. Chaudhry to pack and take a trip to Mecca and Pkistan to merge with India. It will solve all the problems.
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Feb 05, 2015 06:23am
According to the latest census( suppressedby the congress govt) the Muslim population of India has gone up nearly 4% with the Hindus going down by 4%.
May be all the Hindus are moving to Kashmir ha ha ha
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Feb 05, 2015 06:23am
Pakistan has turned into a global spittoon.
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Feb 05, 2015 06:44am
Isn't Pakistan changing demography of Baluchistan and Gilgit and Hunza?
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Feb 05, 2015 06:49am
How can the movement of people is detrimental to any civilized society ?Albeit it is better for the development of mankind so there is no homogeneous set up. People learn, better development, knowledge transfer & better job opportunities.Unless the Foreign secretary is thinking that Kashmiris are tribals & hunters that are on verge of extinction then they should not be disturbed.
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Feb 05, 2015 07:01am
The reality is many young Kashmiris Muslims have moved to delhi, Mumbai and bangalore for careers, marriages, new opportunities and looking for some peace.
The truth is nobody wants to settle in Kashmir, firstly because of the extreme cold and lack of infrastructure, and secondly because all the development is happening in south india.
So what chaudhry sahib is saying is nonsense.
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Feb 05, 2015 07:41am
@kamal India should learn from Pakistan how to change demography. At the same time Muslim population in India has increased even percentage of total population. Pot calling pan black.
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Feb 05, 2015 08:01am
Meanwhile accused murderer Mumtaz Qadri hailed the Charlie Hebdo killers and is being defended by none other than former high court chief justice of Punjab...and this fool has time to talk about Kashmir.
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Feb 05, 2015 08:25am
Well there used to be significant nonmuslim population in Pakistan.
Now that whole demographic has changed.
I suppose Kashmir could evolve similarly.
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Feb 05, 2015 08:33am
@sunil Keep repeating your propaganda will make you feel good......
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Feb 05, 2015 08:39am
Seriously! This is our country our land, what we do or what we don't it's all up to Us. U can have kashmiri if you want but not Kashmir. If u so much concern about them so open ur door let's welcome them in ur country n take care of them. We Don't need them. We are happy with our Kashmir. U take Kashmiries.
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Feb 05, 2015 08:49am
Lol,the same thing what Pakistanis were doing for years.How many Kashmiris are there in PoK right now?
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Feb 05, 2015 09:24am
India as an aspirant of permanent UNSC seat should not keep quite when lot of attrocities are taking place against- minorities in Pakistan, Shias etc. India must take higher responsibility and express its concern over HR violations in Balochistan.
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Feb 05, 2015 09:25am
Anyone listened.....?
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Feb 05, 2015 09:29am
GDP it's a short for Gross Domestic product not ( profit)
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Feb 05, 2015 09:37am
@Pakistani When it is difficult to tame one Child (Present Pakistani territory), why are you burdening yourself by dreaming of another child (Kashmir) ?.
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Feb 05, 2015 09:53am
He shall also condemn change in demography of rest of India. So many Indian citizens are compelled to migrate to urban areas.
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Feb 05, 2015 10:01am
Same lines saame words. .... only one thing is changing that'sDATE
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Feb 05, 2015 10:17am
@Sarah1
no one cares for that matter
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Feb 05, 2015 10:19am
@Jawwad
boss there is a lot of difference between palestine and kashmir. the issue is not same.
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Feb 05, 2015 10:22am
what about the thousands of kashmiri pandits driven out by the muslim jihadis? is that not changing the demography of kashmir
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Feb 05, 2015 10:22am
@Harmony
Yep, keep going buddy. This is the only way your country will prosper.... I say, step this up a bit. Why settle for Kashmir , you must ask for Bangaldesh, Myanmar, and maybe India as well....
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Feb 05, 2015 11:55am
Dear Pakistan when you'll start focusing on your absolute issues? Electricity, Education, Food for all, R&D in science and technology?
Also, do you people still believe in 2 nation theory??? Do you thing it has any relevance in today's World?
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Feb 05, 2015 12:42pm
Pakistan itself is the result of biggest demographic change in the sub continent.
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Feb 05, 2015 12:52pm
@Troll From Across The Border - Thanks for the generous offers but we are not greedy. We will settle on Kashmiris getting their right of self-determination.
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Feb 05, 2015 12:58pm
@SamKelly what about shimla agreement,which overrides UN resolution? have you read shimla agreement,which negates UN resolution!
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Feb 05, 2015 02:01pm
@Mumtaz : Bravo. You took the bull by the Horns.....
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Feb 05, 2015 03:20pm
@V K Das very true, those who do not know the UN resolution, please Google it and read it.
India was ready at that point for plebiscite, but Pakistan was unsure about the out come and did not withdraw her force from POK(Pak Occupied Kasmir).They thought that at least some portion of Kashmir they have got. This continued till 1966, before Gen Yub convinced that he will take Kashmir from India militarily with superior weapon it had got from USA, but failed. The present Kashmir struggle started in 1989 with help of oil money that the middle east countries are giving Pakistan for Islamisation of Kashmir.
Pakistan first have tried hard to destabilize India by fueling Sikh Militant. For years Indian Punjab had experienced brutal murders, violence and disturbance.
India with her strong resolve and might have effectively uprooted the anti India posture.
Pakistan than start with the new idea of Islamisation of Kashmir with generous fund form Islamic countries.
Pakistan should know that NO state / country / block could influence Indias position and her demography.
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Feb 05, 2015 04:26pm
From where these people are getting this secret news which even Indian does not aware!!
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Feb 05, 2015 08:29pm
Some relevant facts as known to me, for the Pakistani friends:
As per Indian law, no non- Kashmiri Indian citizen is allowed to settle in Kashmir. There is no such restriction on Pakistanis settling in Pakistan controlled Kashmir.
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Feb 05, 2015 09:33pm
Why OIC as a body of 57 countries with the world’s one-fifth population and Gross Domestic Profit (GDP) with many trillion dollars cannot influence Taliban or ISIS to stop what they are doing?
If you like to ignore real problems and start pushing on a solution on problem created by none but you, then you would surely top the failed nations' list. By the way... it is definitely a good way to cry foul and beg for money and oil.
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Feb 06, 2015 12:25am
Indians are so much concerned for all the problems being faced by Pakistan. Dear Indians you need to realize that you cannot bluff the entire world by retaining illegal occupation of IOK. This Kashmir issue has to be resolved once and for all..The sooner the better..
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Feb 06, 2015 01:55am
Did India follow UN resolution to demilitarize Occupied Kasmir? But increased number military personnel to more than one billion. migrated lower classes hindus to kashmir to declare Muslims as minority there.
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Feb 06, 2015 04:56am
Article 370 self imposed by India doesn't allow India to do any resettling etc .. so do not spread false information
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Feb 06, 2015 06:28am
Pakistan must focus to remove polio and terorism..otherwise oneday history will repeat again and baluchstan will be pukhtustan.
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Feb 06, 2015 06:51am
@Kalandar
I totally agree with the statement. Kashmir has become an escape route for non-performing, incompetent leaders.
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Feb 06, 2015 09:09am
we can send people to Kashmir to POF will you grant them your citizenship
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Feb 06, 2015 09:20am
Pakistan is combating terrorism and have solid proofs of indian involvement but will support the cause of Kasmir. Indian one million army is to vacate first the occupied kashmir then Pakistan will think about it.
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Feb 06, 2015 10:42am
@Mohammed
No mate. People from other state cannot be settled in Kashmir, Lakhdweep or in Andaman Nicobar islands. It is constitutional and is followed. This guy has no idea what he is saying in public, making himself and Pakistanis at large fools. Alas,he is holding such a important position without knowing fundamentals.
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Feb 06, 2015 10:55am
I didnt know about this. If true, great news! Bring on the firecrackers :)
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Feb 06, 2015 11:00am
Kashmir is atoot ang - a non-divisible part of India. India can change its demographics though I am reluctant to believe it is possible. The Indian part of Kashmir is non-negotiable. The only disputed part of Kashmir is POK - that belongs to India and illegally occupied by Pakistan. The day is not far off when India will take it back.
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Feb 06, 2015 12:36pm
The people in question have been physically present in J&K since 1947. So there is no question of changing demography. Why don't you reveal this fact
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Feb 07, 2015 03:17am
@Harmony we are already swarmed , time for you to leave
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Feb 10, 2015 11:21am
I m an indian but love pakistanis also.
We have been together since millions of years, only since last 70 odd years we ve been apart.
Why fight over 70 odd years, when we have everything else to make us one.
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