Quarter of British Muslims sympathise with Charlie Hebdo terrorists
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One in four British Muslims sympathise with terrorists behind the Charlie Hebdo shooting in January, according to a UK-based poll.
A report published on The Telegraph said the polling by ComRes for the BBC discloses that a significant minority of Muslims validate terrorist activities against those who mock the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).
27 per cent of British Muslims say they have "some sympathy for the motives behind the attacks" on Charlie Hebdo, a French satirical magazine. Meanwhile, around 11 per cent stated that magazines which publish images of the Prophet Muhammad (PBUH) "deserve to be attacked".
At least 12 people were killed and 11 wounded in the attack by two Islamist terrorists on the office of Charlie Hebdo in Paris, which had published satirical illustrations on Prophet Mohammad (PBUH).
Read: 12 dead in shooting at Paris offices of satirical magazine
Another 32 per cent in the polling said that they were not surprised by the attacks.
Only 68 per cent of British Muslims said that attacks on the publishers of images of the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) are "never" justified, while 24 disagreed.
A strong majority — 78 per cent — said that they find illustrations of Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) "deeply offensive to me personally".
On the other hand, polling shows a high degree of Muslim loyalty to Britain, with 95 per cent saying they feel loyal, and 93 per cent saying British laws should always be obeyed.
However, the polls shows around 20 per cent who say Western society is incompatible with Islam and 46 per cent say prejudice against Islam makes being Muslim "very difficult" in Britain. Of those polled, 35 per cent said they did not feel British people trust Muslims.
According to former Foreign Office minister Baroness Warsi, the level of sympathy for the attacks behind the French magazine was "worrying".
Also read: The Charlie Hebdo challenge
She further added that the decision to discard annual surveys of various communities across the UK due to cost-cutting had left Whitehall without comparative detail which is needed to understand the sentiment.
"One of the problems we have had in relation to good policy-making around our minority communities is that it has become headline-driven, it has become sensationalist and it is therefore not dealing with the long-term problem in a calm way," Warsi said.
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| ComRes poll of British Muslim attitudes to Charlie Hebdo Attacks - via The Telegraph |
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| ComRes poll of British Muslim - via The Telegraph |
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Feb 25, 2015 04:43pm
How will people trust Muslims if their first loyalty is towards Islam and second the nation?
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Feb 25, 2015 04:47pm
When you applied for citizenship and British passport, you were required to swear an oath pledging allegiance to Britain, it's law and it's subjects. If you can't honor your pledge then you are be-imaan and need to be punished by law. If you don't like it apply for revoking your citizenship and return back where you came from. Courtesy and respect works both ways.
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Feb 25, 2015 04:51pm
And then people talk of Islamophobia !!
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Feb 25, 2015 04:54pm
As a British person of Pakistan origin I find it amazing the amount of our people in the UK who can only get angry at the west and America, they never seem to care when the Arab regimes kill their own people or groups like Al Qaida, ISIS or TTP kill fellow Muslims. They will usually try to justify these groups actions when they cannot they will just blame it all on a big American conspiracy. If you look into them you will find that they have a distorted view of Islam and they only get angry about Muslim issues when they can blame it on the west. They dont care about the UK or Pakistan but seem to be obsessed with Palestine.
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Feb 25, 2015 04:57pm
There are radical Muslims and moderate Muslims:
Radical Muslim wants to behead infidels
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and a moderate Muslim wants a radical Muslim to behead infidels.
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Feb 25, 2015 05:10pm
Don't really get whats so controversial about this poll. If you were to ask anywhere in the western world 'are drone strikes justified even if they kill innocents' more than 60% would say yes
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Feb 25, 2015 05:16pm
I don't find it shocking at all ... it is in human nature... if i were to show you a group photograph, in that you are in... who's picture you would look for first....even if you happened to be the most ugliest one....The world is a looking glass and gives back to every man the reflection of his own face.
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Feb 25, 2015 05:17pm
So what? Most of the Western world is standing by watching their governments destroy one muslim country after the other. Killing and displacing millions in their neo-colonial rampage. The Telegraph are a bunch of hypocrites.
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Feb 25, 2015 05:26pm
It is obvious now western countries will take strict measures against muslim population because of anti national supporting like this one.
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Feb 25, 2015 05:26pm
(.0001%) radicals don't come out of the blue. There is usually a larger feeder system of moderates behind them, encouraging them. That is what we are all really worried about.
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Feb 25, 2015 05:28pm
i believe rather than criticizing muslims people should make effort to make them feel part of their society in west and other countries...muslims are also people like others...respect their faith within limits of law and etiquette...having said that i also feel muslims have responsibility to adopt the culture and way of life of country of their citizenship.. rather than educating people on islam - muslims should educate themselves on culture and lifestyle of country they make their home...
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Feb 25, 2015 05:28pm
@prem Whatever
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Feb 25, 2015 05:33pm
@gaz ... There are numerous of criminologist and leading psychologists...They profiles the criminals for their behaviors, actions and heinous crimes... they study every minute details... wonder why in this twentieth century, the world specially the Muslim world wont hire such leading psychologists and criminologist to find out the root cause...may be the west and leaders of Muslim Ummah may not like if all the fingers points towards them....
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Feb 25, 2015 05:46pm
its ok for all the hindus commenting here if the freedom of speech is used against muslims. but when amir khan makes fun of shiva in his movie PK they all lose their minds.
I personally am against such freedom to ridicule someones religious beliefs or religious personalities
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Feb 25, 2015 05:47pm
Oh please Imtiaz, how many times have we heard that now?
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Feb 25, 2015 05:58pm
I think your headline is totally misleading. It does not follow that if 27% of British Muslims said that they had some sympathies for the motives of the terrorists that they sympathised with the act of terrorism. Indeed the poll revealed that 94%, if they knew someone from the Muslim community was planning an act of violence they would report them to the police. 95% said they felt loyal to Britain. Please correct as you are creating a misleading impression.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:04pm
@gaz I agree with you wholeheartedly, word by word.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:10pm
These British "muslims" are traitors to the British who allowed them to become equal citizens under law, they are traitors to Pakistan whose image before the world they have spoiled, they are traitors to Islam by considering murderers to be muslims, and finally they are traitors to all humanity whose struggle to progress beyond its animal past they have become a hurdle to.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:14pm
@Tilsim If 27% had sympathy with the terrorists then that is too bad. No one should have symptahy for such terrible criminals.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:16pm
We have to discuss religion critically, once we allow critical thinking we will create a tolerant society, a facist society is one where no one is allowed to comment or criticize an idea. these are not personal attacks these are comments on ideas of peoples, islam is after all like all religions an idea, idealogy.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:20pm
I would appreciate what the pope stated just after the incident in France. We all have to live peaceful life and shouldn't indulge ourselves and avoid interfering other country or religion.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:21pm
what else was expected ? 1/4 seems low.. allegiance to religion first then nation, if at all any...@gaz has summed it up ...
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Feb 25, 2015 06:24pm
@prem "How will people trust Muslims if their first loyalty is towards Islam and second the nation?"
Silly statement. It's like asking someone, are you loyal to your parents first or your country? A barber maybe asked, are you a barber first or British?
One can be Muslim and British at the same time. It's not like one or the other.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:25pm
Please understand that in Islam blasphemy of any prophet is not allowed whether Jesus, Moses or Muhammad (Peace be upon them). These double standards observed by western countries allow mocking of prophet (NaauzubiLLAH) but do not allow talking abt Holocaust etc. I think Pope Francis very rightly said that even if his good friend says something bad about his mother, he (friend) should expect a punch. I can not hurt feelings of billions of people in the name of freedom of expression. This is not freedom of expression; this is callousness & insensitive attitude. By doing this all these magazines, communities & countries are saying that we damn care about your feelings but you need to care about our feelings. Things do not work like this in the real world as it takes two hands to clap
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Feb 25, 2015 06:25pm
Look at two headlines, Dawn sensationalizing it by putting this headline while BBC headline on the same poll is "Most British Muslims 'oppose Muhammad cartoons reprisals"
Dawn has ignored the fact that 95% feel loyal to Britain and also trying to mislead its readers by saying "Only 68 per cent of British Muslims said that attacks on the publishers of images of the Prophet Mohammad (PBUH) are "never" justified". 68% si majority not "only". get your perspective right.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:27pm
@prem read out the pope statement, what he stated and we respect every humans, its up to them they trust us or not.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:31pm
@Joel Please don't teach us through our newspaper by mentioning you comments. I don't like to be out of my country neither i have any desire to become British national, so for get about what the UK law dictates, because we are not entrusted.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:33pm
@gaz do you know the author of all these groups which you have mentioned?
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Feb 25, 2015 06:50pm
@Jatt The question did not ask sympathy with terrorists or act of terrorism. The results said some Muslims had sympathy with their motives. Many Muslims are angry with the cartoonists for running a campain to abuse their central religious personality and conservative muslims in general. This is not so surprising really.
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Feb 25, 2015 06:56pm
@fact but nobody shoot at amir khan or any1 related to that movie thats the difference i guess....
You might have heard of it manytimes
If a dog bites u, u are not supposed to do d same yes u can tell others beware...
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Feb 25, 2015 06:59pm
@prem I never seen anyone asking the Jews or Christians here in the states about their degree of loyalty to religion versus the state. A matter of fact , the state protect the citizen's religion. USA honored the Jews by allowing them to obtain Israeli citizenship under religious grounds. How can you be loyal to both? you see where this leading to?
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Feb 25, 2015 07:04pm
@fact was amir attacked? Was there even a threat against him? PK was a big hit and most Indians loved the movie.
The issue is not about whether you feel offended by something or not ..... Issue is about how you react if you dislike something.
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Feb 25, 2015 07:05pm
Which is the greater offense to God?
Ink in a cartoon on newsprint that will become trash the next day, or wading into a classroom with automatic weapons and murdering schoolchildren?
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Feb 25, 2015 07:05pm
@Jatt No one should have right to mock other's religion. You can have difference of belief and you can debate with arguments but no one should refrain from insulting other's beliefs.
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Feb 25, 2015 07:11pm
@lafanga I know this absurd logic is given by Zakir Naik. first religion or nation is very important. Almost all non-Islamic people of world would will choose Nation over religion except Muslims. This is the reason why we see 'Peaceful' people come out on road and fight for Palestinians not for Kurdish. I hope you get it.
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Feb 25, 2015 07:22pm
Some said yes to the question that they had 'sympathy' for the motives. Most didn't. The loaded phrasing of this question amounts to putting words in someone's mouth, and evidently they saw through the ruse. Conveniently, the people were never asked if they would themselves take the law in their own hands in such a situation, or if they condoned the killing. Indeed, the vast majority asserted fealty to Britain in no uncertain terms.
Herein lies the problem. Multiple-choice surveys like this are only useful if the nuances of the issues are adequately captured. Yes or no answers don't tell the whole story. All this will do is throw some red meat to the right-wing nuts for propagating their anti-Muslim and generally anti-immigration agenda. Some ill-informed 'experts' will also jump in and for a while there'll be some navel-gazing as to how these 'savages' were allowed in British society. All this on a false premise. Shame on the Baroness for giving credence to this bilge. Skew the results of this poll any way you please but they just don't reveal what the authors claim.
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Feb 25, 2015 07:28pm
@Paksitani The main culprits of this are a group known as Hizb ut Tahir. They try to brainwash people from a young age and make people think in an anti western way. They are on the decline in the UK now but were quite big a decade ago when I was at Uni. I have even come across their members who actually try to justify the Peshawar attacks and if they cannot then they just try to blame it all on the American.
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Feb 25, 2015 07:29pm
@fact Did anyone kill Amir Khan ? Or was he even physically hurt ?
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Feb 25, 2015 07:30pm
@ehsan
I was also surprised at this headline. The same news was presented by BBC in totally opposite way. Raise serious questions on credibility and hidden objectives of Dawn.
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Feb 25, 2015 07:31pm
@Pakistani,
Are you blind? I didn't say anything regarding pakistani's. The article says "British Muslims". It's plain english. My comment was for British Muslims including British Pakistanis.
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Feb 25, 2015 07:31pm
@Mohammed So I guess you think Afghanistan was peaceful for decades, like Iraq and Libya. These were all trouble spots before the Americans got involved in fact there were more deaths in the Afghanistan from 1991 to 2001 than there have been in the last 10 years . You can go ahead and research that.
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Feb 25, 2015 07:37pm
@lafanga If you do not want to be loyal to your host country, then why do you go there in first place? Who invites you? Why this hypocrisy ? Why you can not be a Muslim and British to gather? Non Muslims have done it all over the world? Do not spit in the same dish from where you eat.
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Feb 25, 2015 07:39pm
@fact hey here is a fact for you- PK is the highest-grossing Indian film of all time and earned over Rs 300cr in India alone.
Personally i was a bit uneasy to see PK bash majorly the Hindu community and made an alien chase 'Shiva'. But i did not went on a rampage killing the director because it does not diminish any respect i have for Shiva or other Hindu gods.
Indians leave it to God to do his job i.e punish the sinners as we followers have our own jobs to do the day after weekend.
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Feb 25, 2015 07:48pm
@Pooja Desai
yeah so many muslims in south asian countries take on to roads for rallies for what ever happens in the middle-east world politics regarding their sects whether its shia issue or sunni issue.. rather bothering about their country.. why to involve in world politics.
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Feb 25, 2015 08:01pm
Pope's perspective was up to the mark. It is naïve to insult someone and expect no reaction. BTW Is insulting a billion plus people the only way to express freedom of speech ?. It looks like either the west has gone barren on ideas or there is a sinister plot behind this. As for my Indian friends on this forum, if you are so pro freedom of speech then how come your state government leveled charges of sedation against the Kashmiri youth who celebrated a good game by Pakistani Cricket team? Where was your outrage? Coming out in support of the French clown is just shows your double standards. We all know what motivates your perspective.
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Feb 25, 2015 08:08pm
@fact " when amir khan makes fun of shiva in his movie PK they all lose their minds" - But nobody bombed or killed Amir khan..Right???? Freedom of speak gives freedom to speak or protest ... not to bomb or kill..
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Feb 25, 2015 08:11pm
Even after living in such a open and civilized society if 25% Muslim can have sympathy for murderers/terrorists and can device the country which gave them shelter, imagine those who live in those countries from where all these people ran to live in Europe. Than Muslims complain why world doesn't trust them
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Feb 25, 2015 08:13pm
Off course Hindus were angry when one of their religious symbol was made fun off but did any Hindu leader issue a fatwa that its Hindu's duty to kill Aamir Khan? I think not which tell us that how mature Hindus have become unlike Muslims.
Muslims want to create a world based on 1400 years old rules which is unacceptable.
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Feb 25, 2015 08:30pm
The Muslims in Britain who don't respect the British laws also have difficulty functioning in British society and hence they are the ones who create friction between Muslims and non-Muslims. All Muslims who don't like the Western laws need to leave and stop making everyone elses lives difficult. No one forced you to come to the West.
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Feb 25, 2015 08:31pm
@fact there was no terrorist attack on any one for PK
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Feb 25, 2015 08:32pm
The simplest solution to end Islamic radicalization is to cut the funding to the people that create and fund these radicals. All in the western world know where it comes from*cough*cough* Saudia, but they do nothing to stop it. Cut the head, they rest of it will die itself within a few years. So the real question is: Why doesn't the west destroy the mother ship??
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Feb 25, 2015 08:36pm
@Mohammed "Most of the Western world is standing by watching their governments destroy one muslim country after the other." this is simply height of lying / falsehood the truth is when America invaded Iraq the largest protests where held in Western Countries and America kindly give example of any Arab country (so-called custodian of Islam) or any other Muslim country where protests were held bigger than Western Countries or America ?
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Feb 25, 2015 08:47pm
Sadly most of them are British muslims of Pakistani origin.
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Feb 25, 2015 08:50pm
@fact Don't dramatize this. There were no killings or attacks on Amir Khan or other Muslims because of PK. Incidentally, Amir Khan was just acting. The story and script etc were written by ?Hindus, who were not attacked, murdered or punished by the public or law.
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Feb 25, 2015 08:58pm
@prem
Reminds of large number ofMuslims in India
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Feb 25, 2015 09:02pm
I am waiting for their hue and cry over drone killings.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:02pm
Centruries back Britain have seen blood bath due to drakonian laws such as "blasphemy". it took longest civilwar, peoples struggle to get the democracy. Our Pkaistani brothers in Britain challenge everything what Britain stands for. We do not see British muslims of Indian, bangladesh, Indonesian, Iran come on streets to show their disrespect.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:08pm
I wonder what percentage of British Muslims are annoyed by surveys targeting British Muslims. There's only one way to find out!
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Feb 25, 2015 09:09pm
This is very unfair to come up to this conclusion. It's media and they can play it the way they like it. Both events were wrong. The media is using the events to brand the general muslim population as supportive of terror mindset. It is very wrong and heart the innocent Muslims who are victims of terrorism.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:10pm
@fact i am afraid no one is beheaded yet for PK movie
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Feb 25, 2015 09:12pm
@Imtiaz you said it boss! I appreciate your candid confession!
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Feb 25, 2015 09:12pm
@fact bro, it was a record hit in Hindu majority country. He is loved n respected same bofire n after the movie. Stop lecturing on tolerance to us.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:12pm
@Jay That was sponsored by your government and our government have the proofs, which were given to Afghan president.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:21pm
This is the problem with some immigrants. They go to a country whose culture is contradictory to their culture/beliefs and then expect people of that country to adjust to them.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:23pm
@gaz Very true. It seems every Muslim on this planet has some bloodline to Palestine. I think they just like to be anti Jew.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:23pm
@fact but hindues never issue fatwa against Amir khan, or did burned public property world wide.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:23pm
@Imtiaz That was funny and unfortunately maybe true.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:26pm
@Mohammed Because countries don't want anyone interfering in their business. You cant complain that western countries are occupying Arab world and then ask why aren't they helping us. This should be sorted out among themselves.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:29pm
20% say western society is incompatible with Islam. Then why in the world did they move there? Does it mean they will "dismantle" western society? Isn't that a strange way to behave ? Emigrate and then say you stink according to my religion, so I will overhaul your system to conform to my religion.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:29pm
@lafanga Being loyal to my parents doesn't affect my loyalty to my country. But being a stout Muslim might be difficult in a western country.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:32pm
@Ghaznavi That is true but Charlie Hebdo pokes fun at all religions. If they were poking fun at only Islam then I can understand why people feel persecuted. They made fun of the pope and even though more than 90% of France is Christian no one attacked anyone.
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Feb 25, 2015 09:57pm
@Imtiaz
welsaid
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Feb 25, 2015 09:57pm
@gaz
wel said
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Feb 25, 2015 09:59pm
@Shailesh
verry correct...................radicalization is the direct result of pushing human at tender age to forcibly learn about their seperate identity(mad rush culminates to...) other than simple another human or animal on earth
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Feb 25, 2015 10:06pm
@cmvt I think PK was trying to bash god men and not Hindus. We all can agree that some god men are 'for profit' and not social service.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:07pm
@Homayoun
still no change.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:08pm
@Karachiite This is the problem. France has one definition of 'freedom of speech' and Muslims have another. Muslims cant immigrate to France and tell them to change their definition.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:19pm
@Mohammed :: If it was not for the western world, most notaly USA, more number of Muslims would be killed by Muslim despots, beheaders, choppers of human body parts, dictators, kings, and military rulers. Can you argue against that? Why do Muslim countries BEG America and UK to intervene?
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Feb 25, 2015 10:23pm
@Homayoun : Not enough times. Because the message has not suck in.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:24pm
@Paksitani :: The Pope said no such thing as you imply.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:26pm
@Joel
These protestors in London are receiving longer and longer jail sentences (ordered by Westminster) in these street demonstrations, and they are still not getting the message.
This is nihilism pure and simple, preparation for take over. The are no different as nihilists, wishing to break down the system, than international communists were in the 1920's. The Reds were reacting to the World War I and control of their lives in Europe by their capitalists and insensitive insensitive nobility. It seems England has already learned that lesson. Where were you Muslims? Only the Sikhs fought on our side..
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Feb 25, 2015 10:27pm
@fact wow we never said to ban the movie we said to boycott it, at least we didn't bomb amir khan's house
And btw our newspapers and magazine openly criticise our caste system and evils within our religion we are trying to banish these evils while you're trying to justify your religion as peaceful which indeed it's not!!!
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Feb 25, 2015 10:29pm
@fact But its the highest collection movie in India even with hindu majority
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Feb 25, 2015 10:29pm
@gaz
As a British person of Pakistani origin they are putting your life and your family's lives at greater risk than you imagine.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:30pm
@Imtiaz
You've gotten that right.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:31pm
@Imtiaz :: The best and most truthful comment although very sad. I could have never said it better, more accurately, and more succinctly. because it is the cause of majority of the wars and sufferings in the world, right now.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:31pm
Why not come back to your own land where people can understand you. In fact Pakistan has blasphemy laws.
No one will be able to hurt you guys. I feel so sorry for you, living such a terrible life in UK. Come back
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Feb 25, 2015 10:33pm
@Mohammed
Then join them, because it is time for you to put up or shut up.
Actions speak louder than words. Get off the fence.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:38pm
This comment for all those who are crying here PK.. PK,,,, there was hue and cry all over India when that movie was about to release, even Bajran Dal and VHP (vishva hindu parishad) attacked cinemas, and advised our Hindus not to watch that movie.... just go and visit indianexpress.com and see the photos of attacks,
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Feb 25, 2015 10:39pm
@Ghaznavi Those who cheeer Pkiastani team are traitors.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:42pm
@Karachiite :: I want you to understand that in Christian USA, Jesus is insulted everyday but I have yet to hear of a beheading or murder in the USA because of this reason alone. Did you know about Moses; the greatest movie ever made at the time by the greatest movie-maker of his time Cecil D'Mille was the 'Ten Commandment' and there was no no protest or bans or killing in any Christian country anywhere. Jews do not consider Jesus as a prophet nor do Christians. There lies the contradictions to your comment. Please do not believe me, confirm it from authentic sources.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:47pm
@Paksitani :: You commented, "I don't like to be out of my country neither i have any desire to become British national." Good for you. But that is not true of hundreds of thousands of Pakistanis who are in UK, USA, etc and have become citizens in those countries. You must also know that more than 75 percent of all refugees in the world currently are Muslims. A refugee is a person forced to leave a country due to war, persecution mostly religious, and natural disaster.
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Feb 25, 2015 10:56pm
Absolute rubbish and twisting the words, in survey they said they sympathise with the motives NOT the attackers or their actions.
Media twist things own way!
didnt ask direct question do they support such action by attackers?
consistent efforts by media to create Islamophobia dont help harmony among communities. it create more hate!
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Feb 25, 2015 10:57pm
and of course you sympathisers will have to answer before Allah.
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Feb 25, 2015 11:03pm
@ fact - How did Aamir Khan traumatized with PK? Do you know that he won more accolades for the other programs that he has done. The problem Islam is very touchy about certain things, Hindus are not far behind either.
And Dawn forums are moderated one, not sure if they will publish this comment. Otherwise, you will see lot many replies to your comment.
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Feb 25, 2015 11:07pm
@Imtiaz you are too good. It comes right on one's face.
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Feb 25, 2015 11:12pm
@BRR :: But that is exactly what they do. Research article on the net that records what historically Muslims do when they are below 2% of the population, what they do after they reach 5% of the population, then 10% of the population, so on and so forth. You will find the statistical answer to support your comment.
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Feb 25, 2015 11:12pm
@Cyrus Ho Totally agree which is why I and the silent majority have to now take a stand. Even in Pakistan if people are trying to blame things on wild conspiracy theories then it's our duty to take a stand because spreading of these false lies is the starting point of the brainwashing process. The Peshawar attackers would have been fed anti western lies and then told oh look the Pakistan Army is in the pockets of the west. We should challenge these lies at every level.
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Feb 25, 2015 11:18pm
can bad mouthing or drawings belittle god or a religion.......is my question i asked to many, but, am yet to get a satisfactory answer
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Feb 25, 2015 11:18pm
@Joel;
"When you applied for citizenship and British passport, you were required to swear an oath pledging allegiance to Britain"
Most of Muslim Britons were born in Britain, especially among the radical ones.
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Feb 25, 2015 11:22pm
The Pakistani diaspora should accept one basic principle, the right to armed jihad is the prerogative of a state only.
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Feb 25, 2015 11:31pm
@Joel Well said...
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Feb 25, 2015 11:35pm
@ UD exactly my point. Indians who cannot tolerate freedom of expression in their own country and yet come to this forum in support of the cartoonist seems to be driven by hatred of Muslims and Islam. Who says the two nation theory is dead? It is alive and can be seen on this forum.
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Feb 26, 2015 12:26am
@ProudMuslim How many were killed in the so called attacked by VHP and bana rang dal? There were protests and this is the best arm in a civilizes and democratic society and you want to compare it with a massacare in France. I feel pity for your thought and believe me this is the main reason of all what is happening in Islamic world ...instead of criticizing such henious acts ppl like you start find I g reasons and exanples to justify them..... Any way keep doing ..best of luck..... Hope u don't have any dream to go to European and american countries and happy in Pakistan... And feeling proud of a pak Muslim...:-)
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Feb 26, 2015 12:35am
All those who feel that western societies can never be compatible have a very strong point to submit emigration application to Saudi Government as their first preference, followed by Yemen and Syria. LOL! One never stops amusing me that religion is one's personal choice. Everybody in this world who is a celebrity deserves to be ridiculed, questioned and tested. Period!
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Feb 26, 2015 12:40am
@fact Says who? Not all hindus are RSS people,you dummy!!
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Feb 26, 2015 12:57am
@prem Dont Trust. Simple
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Feb 26, 2015 12:59am
@ProudMuslim Those attacks were more political than religious. And besides no one tried to kill anyone. Only property was damaged. Considering that India is 80% that is not too bad.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:13am
Thet's why nobody trust us because we a big time hypocrites...Munaafiq!!!
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Feb 26, 2015 02:23am
The hypocrisy of the people from third world countries who chose to take up residence in the West and then want everything their way is simple appaling. They take advantage of every right and privilage that the western countries give including ironiacally the right to free speech but refuse to cut the umbilical chord with their country of origin. Whereas they complain that they are sometimes treated as third class citizens they forget that in their native countries they are not given basic human rights and that is much worse than being treated at times like a third class citizen.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:26am
@Imtiaz extremely well put. You condensed the whole discourse in two simple sentences.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:32am
@lafanga you tried to make an anology but you landed up giving a non sequitur, in other words the argument is fallacious because there is a disconnection between the premise and the conclusion. Hence your anaology becomes invalid in this discussion.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:41am
Society and people have different viewpoints. So what is the problem ?
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Feb 26, 2015 03:02am
The poll may be accurate, but its interpretation is a bit biased; let me explain-- when Tamils living in India, USA, UK and Canada supported LTTE (A terror group in Sri Lanka) no one concluded that all Tamils are crooks. again, when Irish Americans supported IRA (A terror group in Northern Ireland and UK) no one concluded that all Irish are crooks.
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Feb 26, 2015 03:09am
@Pooja Desai "Almost all non-Islamic people of world would will choose Nation over religion except Muslims"
Oh really? Maybe you haven't read who the pilgrims were in America. They left England because of their RELIGION and settled in America. Modi used the slogan "I am a born Hindu" in his national election campaign. Why not use " I am a born Indian". Jews migrate to Israel from everywhere because of what .... yes their religion.
Need to get the facts before lecturing others.
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Feb 26, 2015 03:18am
@Pooja Desai amazing reply!!
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Feb 26, 2015 03:18am
@Dabang and neither does being Muslim affects loyalty to Britain or America. American constitution have more in common with Islam then even some Muslim countries. Does British law prevents Muslims from practicing their faith? NO. Same is true in the US so there is no problem being Muslim in UK or US. One can have difference of opinion with regards to foreign policy of UKor US but that can happen with any issue by anyone.
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Feb 26, 2015 03:26am
@Imtiaz Firstly the word infidel was first used by the Christians in the 15th century to refer to Jews and Muslims in Europe. How ironic.
Secondly almost every Muslim scholar has condemned groups like ISIS and what they do.
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Feb 26, 2015 03:27am
True or propaganda you want to dismiss as ?
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Feb 26, 2015 03:33am
Why is it that most Indian (I assume Hindu) commenters here are critical of Muslims and Islam in general? Dawn can you do a survey of Indian commenters and post the result?
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Feb 26, 2015 03:41am
@ProudMuslim "This comment for all those who are crying here PK.. PK,,,, there was hue and cry all over India when that movie was about to release, even Bajran Dal and VHP (vishva hindu parishad) attacked cinemas, and advised our Hindus not to watch that movie.... just go and visit indianexpress.com and see the photos of attacks,"
So what was the effect? Did people stop watching the movie? Didn't the perpetrators go to jail?? Did anyone die? Were there 10 people killed? What did courts say? They said "If you don't like it don't watch it". Now this CANNOT be equated or used as justification or counter arguement against KILLING 10 people in France.
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Feb 26, 2015 03:59am
@Imtiaz
Since you know so much about us Muslims, which one of the bunch are you genius?
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Feb 26, 2015 04:05am
@fact
madrassa facts
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Feb 26, 2015 05:33am
@gaz Very well said, we need to learn to call spade a spade, accept/believe that terrorist/extremist are abusing Islam
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Feb 26, 2015 05:51am
Muslim immigrants can turn out to be dangerous to the countries they emigrate to if they have hatred of the local cultures into which they move, if they have no intention to ever assimiliate and learn about local cultures, if they look down upon locals in their new home for religious or any other reasons, and if they propagate their views while living in ghettos.
I would not be surprised if western countries and even others are more worried and paranoid about letting muslims emigrate for various reasons, especially the religious and societal baggage they come with that is an anti-thesis of their local cultures.
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Feb 26, 2015 06:12am
@Karachiite so you are supporting the killings just because they drew pictures
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Feb 26, 2015 06:18am
@Ghaznavi so you are justifying the killings just because they drew pictures
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Feb 26, 2015 06:46am
@Lafanga Try to assimilate yourselves in the culture of the host country and then show this to the world. Mere lip service does not work. To speak is one thing and to put into action is another thing.
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Feb 26, 2015 06:54am
@prem .......trust of muslims has been achieved with a poll of 93 percent who believe british law should be obeyed and 95 percent saying they feel loyal,so don't see what you are trying to get at except you are an Islamophobe!Britain was a colonial power in many continents and they had loyal muslim patronage until the break up after world war 2.
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Feb 26, 2015 07:05am
The West and allies create crusades in the name of 9/11, IRAQ false flag,al Qaeda etc ,ISIS and its affiliates and now carry out surveys to create more islamophobia! GOD is great and will defend ISLAM through those who follow ISLAM not what the agents of evil and their followers have created that is the monster ISLAMOPHOBE!
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Feb 26, 2015 09:10am
@Prem Muslims first priority is always with Islam and Love of Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him)Who has guided the humanity from darkness of ignorance to the light of righteous knowledge. Can you understand and show respect for Muslim's Faith.
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Feb 26, 2015 01:07pm
@Zubair : Then do sign on allegience to a country when getting citizenship. This is fraud.
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Feb 26, 2015 01:10pm
@Lafanga : No you are wrong. All the cases given by you are of people who leave the place to which they could not be loyal and went where they could be loyal. Whereas Muslims are migrating to the western countries, taking oaths as citizens swearing their allegience to those countries but not practicing it. It is called fraud.
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Feb 26, 2015 02:36pm
@Harsh "Muslims are migrating to the western countries, taking oaths as citizens swearing their allegience to those countries but not practicing it. It is called fraud"
And you know each and every Muslim living in the West to make this ridiculous, childish and general statement. By the same logic, there are few Indian doctors convicted of medical fraud in the US so let's say all Indian doctors in the West are fraud and not upholding the law of the land. There are Polish immigrants in the UK claiming benefits. Let's accuse all Polish immigrants etc etc.
You have soundly defeated your own argument. Thanks.
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Feb 28, 2015 07:34am
@Mohammed
Why would the west intervene or for that matter why should it do so when your own peoeple are doing it.It is like general patton who said I do not want want you to die for your country,I want the opposition to die for its country.
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