Chinese investments dwarf American package: US media
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WASHINGTON: Compared to the $46 billion China plans to invest in Pakistan, the $7.5 billion US package for Pakistan was too thinly scattered, according to a former Pentagon official.
David S. Sedney, who headed the Pakistan desk at the Pentagon, said the US package also failed to make a strategic impact on Pakistan.
Some Western diplomats told CBS News that China’s increasing economic engagement with Pakistan should be seen in the context of Beijing’s “efforts to counter the US efforts to deepen alliances around the Asia-Pacific region”.
Read: Economic corridor in focus as Pakistan, China sign 51 MoUs
In an interview to The New York Times, Mr Sedney noted that the 2009-2012 US aid package for Pakistan designated $7.5 billion for development projects over five years. He called the package a “dramatic failure” because the resources were “scattered too thinly, and had no practical or strategic impact.
The official noted that the Chinese seemed to have learned from the American programme, “including the notion that the American plan was designed to deliver a strategic result - deterring terrorism -- but failed to do so”.
To do better than the United States, the Chinese have come up with “a much larger financial commitment -- and it is focused on a specific area, it has a signature infrastructure focus and it is a decades-long commitment,” he said.
Other US media outlets pointed out that China would use this massive investment package to expand Pakistan’s network of roads, rails and ports. The purpose of the initiative was to connect China to Europe through Central Asia and Russia, the reports said.
The reports noted that in November, China announced plans to build the Silk Road Economic Belt and Maritime Silk Road, which would connect Pakistan to China and Central Asia.
Pakistani officials told The New York Times China’s $46 billion would be used for the construction of roads, rails and power plants. Chinese engineers will be dispatched over 15 years to work in Pakistan in projects that overshadow past US support.
The newspaper also spoke to senior Pakistani officials and politicians who pointed out that “the Chinese are stepping in, in a much, much bigger way than the United States ever contemplated.
Published in Dawn, April 21st, 2015
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Apr 21, 2015 06:20am
China friendship is stronger than steel. A true big brother.
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Apr 21, 2015 06:37am
The difference in US aid and Chinese is simple that American aid usually considered for petty designs to be fulfilled by Pakistani Govt. or politicians. While most of Pakistanis think that China invest in Pakistan out of sheer friendship and want to see Pak stronger. USA should only try to win heart at first and stop its hatred policy against Muslim countries. Long live Pak China friendship
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Apr 21, 2015 06:44am
All schemes by the enemies of Pakistan to isolate it have failed. This news has shocked New Delhi and Western Capitals. With this corridor all regional countries will benefit and Pakistan will become an economic power.
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Apr 21, 2015 06:46am
US uses tiny aid just to keep pakistan dependent whereas Cheen wants people around its biggest future trade route to progress...
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Apr 21, 2015 06:47am
At. Least they are more trustworthy than America
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Apr 21, 2015 06:48am
US 'foreign aid' is actually corporate welfare for American companies, and comes loaded with high-price constraints.
China's aid is largely 'government' funding, and dollar-for-dollar will go much farther than US/ EU 'aid'.
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Apr 21, 2015 06:55am
China's gain is more than Pakistan's. They get excess to port and to their export. Friend in need is a friend indeed, whose need?
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Apr 21, 2015 06:57am
America has little intention of investing in Pakistan where Americans are hated and always at risk of kidnappings or being murdered. With friends like Pakistan America doesn't need enemies.
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Apr 21, 2015 06:58am
Someone is pretty interested in Pak-China friendship eh !! American media gave full coverage to this eve highlighting this humongous investment amount again and again.
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Apr 21, 2015 07:00am
With primary focus on Middle East & Afghanistan wind up, Pakistan's strategic importance has declined. China knows that well, good for Pakistan.
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Apr 21, 2015 07:06am
"Chinese engineers will be dispatched over 15 years to work in Pakistan in projects". Wonder how many jobs would be created for Pakistanis if this is the case !!!
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Apr 21, 2015 07:08am
Sharifs starting work for a new master. Are they allowed to?
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Apr 21, 2015 07:16am
What US is giving is aid and what China is doing investment at least that is what is being claimed. Only time will tell how much investments actually happen over how many years, and how much it is loan that Pakistan will have to return. It will take decade or so. US aid had been real and Pakistan has actually received it, Chinese investment is actually on paper at the moment.
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Apr 21, 2015 07:23am
Al of US aid was going to the corrupt officials and no results were seen by the public. At the same time US media continue to degrade Pakistan at every opportunity thus creating dislike and lack of trust between the people of the two country. USA should look deeply into it's policies if they want long lasting and solid alliances.
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Apr 21, 2015 07:25am
China will connect Gawadar to Kashgar thru rail and roads. Gawadar port sits on the mouth of Harmouz and will be China Oil supply lines whether one like it or not.
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Apr 21, 2015 07:29am
Pakistan due to its well placed strategic location holds the key to Chinese economic expansion through its western region. We need cheap energy and development of strategic communication infrastructure including roads, railways and bridges which the current Chinese investment will target. This is good for both the countries.
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Apr 21, 2015 07:30am
Let us have a strong and economicaly vibrant pakistan as India's neighbor.
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Apr 21, 2015 07:33am
US is a failure at nurturing friendship with anyone other than the few dearest and closest. Everyone else is there to be exploited for 'US Interests'. The British, while equally exploitative in their colonisation, were far more involved and committed. The vacuum just needed time to be filled up, and China stepped in at the right time of their global expansion. It would not be easy for Pakistan to exit out of the US influence, but it is the beginning of the end of that relationship. Good Riddance!
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Apr 21, 2015 07:34am
Many interest groups are worried about the emerging infrastructure development projects, especially the Gwadar Project, and ensuing Chinese - Pakistani strategic partnership. Pakistanis have to be on their guards against schemes and conspiracies that are expected now.
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Apr 21, 2015 07:43am
Awesome now we can see. made in China on Pakistan parliament:)
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Apr 21, 2015 07:44am
So what did pak promise China for such huge sums? It's natural resources. .. China is still a better influence than any middle east countries. .
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Apr 21, 2015 07:47am
@Pakman yes you right lets how many mou's will be in action form and how many in written form...!!
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Apr 21, 2015 07:49am
Congratulations Pakistan, Grow, Grow and Grow.
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Apr 21, 2015 07:49am
China Pakistan friendship is time tested, its not transactional, the notion that its there is no permanent friends but permanent interests between nations has proved wrong here.
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Apr 21, 2015 07:51am
Whatever Assistance China or US provides its negligible given the long term objective and exploitation they pursue on the Pak. Its other way of saying it that thay give u wound and then first aid.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:03am
@Pakman 46 BN is for Chinese companies putting up infrastructure - it essentially means like in Africa - only Chinese will gain - its a bit like made in China on Pakistan. Please read the fine print. China will put up power plants & make roads to bring chinese products - so essentially Pakistan will remain undeveloped with no new skills & factories.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:03am
Investment doesn't mean free aid.these are loans at concessional rates.if Pakistan doesn't reign in the internal security problems then it will all go to waste.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:04am
A prosperous Pakistan will be good for the West too. Spending by China does not mean that it was time for the US and the West to fold and walk away...if anything, they should increase their spending in Pakistan but make sure that their funds are used honestly to make a difference in the lives of the Pakistani people.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:08am
Inshallah whatever is in vision in near future would become reality too. Ameeen.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:09am
Now US will come up with a 100b $ package to please Pakistan.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:09am
you watch
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Apr 21, 2015 08:13am
China is a lot wiser than the US and has adopted a long term approach whereas the US successive governments have proven to be short sighted
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Apr 21, 2015 08:15am
America is far too selfish and unreliable, whilst Chinese friendship is truly genuine
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Apr 21, 2015 08:20am
United States uses nation for its national interest only where pak-china cooperation will benefit both nations.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:27am
Don't depend too much on any foreign country.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:29am
time to find a final solution to Kashmir problem with the help of China
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Apr 21, 2015 08:29am
First time i saw a music video of sorts, was of the Chinese workers building the Karakoram Highway, way back in the earliest 70's on PTV. long after that I learnt that i don't always pay attention when reading. So since learning that, i learnt to pay attention to everything i read. Little bit of ADD you see?:)
Data HAS TO have a smell. Or else its just a design, a construct, NOT data.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:34am
thankyou china now we can finaly say Goodbye to Uncle Sam
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Apr 21, 2015 08:34am
US always refused to respect Pakistan while China decided to bring Pakistan to a respectable level in international arena. All we need is professional execution of all the projects in a timely manner.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:35am
A true friendship that will grow.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:38am
Are these FDI'S greenfield or brownfield Investments in the Country...
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Apr 21, 2015 08:42am
Well ..they have signed MOUs ..how many of these will actually materialise time will tell..Modi has signed MOUs worth 452Billion USD during Vibrant Gujrat Summit in 2011 and hardly any of these take off..these are just political gimmicks undertaken to make fool of common man ...to incite jingoism nothing else.Anyhow best of luck to Pakistan..u have to look inside ..improve investment climate and u will prosper .Stop being a client state
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Apr 21, 2015 08:43am
When whole south asia is protesting against China for its adventurism in south China sea and here we are celebrating Chinese help? Asiyan member countries are snubbing China. Where is our foreign policy?
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Apr 21, 2015 08:46am
China will benefit a lot from their investment in Pakistan. We are loyal to our benefactors.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:47am
There is a big difference. American aid is a sort of charity and reimbursement for " services " . Spend as you ( Pakistan leaders and generals ) please. China has signed a investment deal. They will take home more than half of the profit, plus will dominate the politics and the region. There is no such thing as free lunch.
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Apr 21, 2015 08:50am
I just hope that the government of China will directly spend this money, if it goes through our politicians, God knows how much they will spend in the country . I am sure many of politicians and government officials will become richer now.
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Apr 21, 2015 09:07am
These days any news which is not a bad news is good news for Pakistan. Today Chinese investment is seen as end of all problems and road to utopia ,everything needs to be looked with perspective. Though blue prints off all investment/loans was ready before sep last year, it has yet to see daylight, there is more to it than what meets the eye, lets not forget Qatar LNG deal. Pakistan is looking answer of history in book of chemistry. firstly Chinese never gives budgetry support like USA and this time by Saudi(1.5$) . secondly, Pakistan problem in energy sector is fundamental , Pakistan is utilizing only 40% of its existing capacity, because it does not have money to provide for subsidy . setting more plants will be costlier than reforming existing one specially if it is done through loan. thirdly even opening of silk road through Pakistan will not help Pakistan as has been projected, because western china does not have enough money to support big changes in Pakistan. part II to continue
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Apr 21, 2015 09:12am
US only wants war. That's not how you make friends.
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Apr 21, 2015 09:16am
The economic corridor should not only benefit Pakistan & China but the region and the world at large.
It is in everybodys interest
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Apr 21, 2015 09:24am
Since decades AMericans aim was to remain IN & involved,hijacked and sponsored few characters through out in army ,politicians and specially bearuecrates . Secondly Pakistan used as jump board to disturb the region and specially all neighbours. So all what is happen now is out come of "might is right "USA approach.
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Apr 21, 2015 09:25am
continue:- Fourth china will not import anything through Pakistan except oil as it will directly hurt its coastal industry, however Chinese export to Pakistan will become much cheaper directly impacting indigenous industry . Pakistan does not export much which might be of Chinese interest except farm product, but here too they can not compete with chines govt subsidized farm products. lastly Chinese are known for low cost low standard product and technology, they are setting or transferring their coal based plant , which they are discarding in their country. in the end what i want to say is don't have very high expectation as , happened in case from USA and Arabs. it is a good deal with major strategic implication less economical. Chinese are the only people who are taking risk of investing in Pakistan,PAKISTAN CAN NT TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THIS INVESTMENT TILL, IT CORRECTS ITS FUNDAMENTALS, of which expenditure on army and weapons is major part.
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Apr 21, 2015 09:27am
we need to come to the expectations of Chinese friends.because in business there is no free lunch.
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Apr 21, 2015 09:28am
A friend in need is a friend indeed
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Apr 21, 2015 09:31am
lets just hopes something actually happens
thank you China
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Apr 21, 2015 09:34am
It's too late David Sedney ,all those who were on this desk had short of strategic sight.
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Apr 21, 2015 09:43am
China is so frequently analyzing Pakistan and its strategies that's why they are investing here, "hoping our army make the same grounds for common peoples of Pakistan so they can easily breath out and stand equally".
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Apr 21, 2015 09:49am
Correct me if I am wrong, but isn't it Chinese "Investment" and American "Aid" ?
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Apr 21, 2015 09:50am
long live Pak China Friendship
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Apr 21, 2015 09:59am
Chinese agenda is too well known - to weaken the Americal influence in the region and use this route to increase their exports. Pakistan in the end is going to get shattered home industries and unemployment in the end. Nothing comes without a price. Your self reliance going to get a hit.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:08am
The MoUs signify that Pakistan accepted one sided trade with China. China will be bringing in men, material and money. Hence it is obvious that they will create jobs to support Chinese candidates.
The china will be the sole beneficiary of the cpec since china commands superiority over Pakistani products and services. In my opinion, it is indeed a good move by China but not for Pakistan.
Again, GoP proved it's inability to initiate reforms to normalise Pakistan's state of affairs and searching for Shortcuts to success, but in long term every Pakistani will tout this initiative as "another big blunder". Pakistani domestic industies will feel the heat becase they are not at all prepared to compete the chinese products and skill gap at this moment. It is a decision taken in a hurry. God bless and Congrats Pakistan!
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Apr 21, 2015 10:12am
No investment is small investment and can be ignored. why do you think China is making big investments? Just because they like you? or to get profit out of their investments?
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Apr 21, 2015 10:20am
@B R chawla I suppose that does not go with US aid to India?
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Apr 21, 2015 10:22am
Today I have big tears in my eyes as I am unable to control my emotions looking at the love and respect being given by China, particularly President Xi, to Pakistan. China being such a powerful and rich country could have ignored Pakistan but they have shown money does not come in between true friends. I am crying because Chinese have opened their lockers without giving a second thought. I am certain that China will not think twice of Palistan needs another $50 or even $100 billion.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:22am
I hope Chinese will spend this money directly and not through the hands of our politicians and government officials else, God knows if we will see some improvement in our country or theses politicians will become even richer.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:22am
Don't be ungrateful. How many Pakistanis have acquired citizenship of China compared to US. They are only MOUs the real result will be known 15 years from now. But seize the opportunity and work for your country. Don't expect Chain to perform miracles for you.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:24am
@Pakman When we will become big..
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Apr 21, 2015 10:28am
This investment should help Pakistan in weaning away youth who have been radicalized. This should bring peace in the region.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:30am
It is China which will make the best use of "Silk Route" which will save time and money to transport oil, in shortest way.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:30am
China is our brother country since last 50 years.Chinese are our brothers. We are proud of this friendship
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Apr 21, 2015 10:32am
@Pakman China is big brother, they are very intelligent. Nothing shall come free as Pakistan knows it with experience with the close ally's KSA, US. Pakistan should ensue that they don't sacrifice their culture and religious values which are more important than other benefits.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:32am
Pakistan has to be watchful what technology it is getting and should not compromise on quality. After all we are paying for it and not getting it for free.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:32am
The biggest mistake that the US has made was supporting the Pakistani military instead of the political Governments. They never trusted the elected governments. It is ironic that , china, a more autocratic government is reaching out to a democratic government in Pakistan while US always supported dictators.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:34am
@Pakman
When you go into minute details, you will be impelled to reconsider your views on the Steel like Pak China Relationship. Still corrodes and rusts with time. Nothing is permanent in this World.
I tell you minute details. USD 34 Billion in August 2014 cost has escalated to 46 Billion because of 10 Billion bribery to PM and his brother. Pakistan Govt. has committed to provide Coal and other inputs for Power Plants and has agreed to purchase entire power generated at a price which will be decided by these Power Plants. Power Plants will seek a minimum return of 27% on their investment.Burden of Costly power will fall on Pak citizens. Pak will have to import Coal in case of deficiency in domestic production with the result that fragile foreign exchange reserves of Pakistan Govt. will be further stressed.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:36am
U.S. Only come in to play where they find their own interest as they are coming to India to dominate India ocean but China is our true and all weather friend.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:47am
The Chinese package is as big as the dent US and its allies created in Pakistan. The mess created by US and allies was so big that a mere 4-5 billion dollar per year package is now seen as strategic game changer for Pakistan. US and allies need to get out of the shackles of their military mindset and start thinking differently...
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Apr 21, 2015 10:47am
BRAVE JOURNALIST BROUGHT news just in time from David S. Sedney,when PML govt really need it. The actual outcome of this much triumphant relation ship with China will come lateron
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Apr 21, 2015 10:55am
interesting comments... i wont add any thing further but only this quote...
"There will be no end to the troubles of states, socially economically or morally or of humanity itself, till philosophers become kings in this world, or till those we now call kings and rulers really and truly become philosophers, and political power and philosophy thus come into the same hands". sincerely hope that our friendship grows...
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Apr 21, 2015 10:56am
What investments? These are mostly loans.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:02am
I will hold China's hand rather than the US glove.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:05am
@Kittu China still has its own sea. its not dying without it. however we are dying because of lack of energy and infrastructure. thats what it means a friend in need is china indeed
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Apr 21, 2015 11:13am
Americans are our partners (on their terms for their interest) on war against terror. while, Chinese are our brothers. These two relations cannot be compared, so their support too.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:15am
The Chinese have stepped in, in a much, much bigger way than the United States ever contemplated.
Chinese can be trusted. JS Thunder aircraft is an example.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:18am
@Kittu Do you think that Pakistan would not get benefit from China trading from Pakistan. Are you kidding? I think this is nothing in return of what China is doing in Pakistan through investment so grow up you people and spread the fact. Pak-Cheen dosti Zindabad.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:18am
Its 21st century, china done this for Mutual benefits. The only concern is the corruption, 100% full proof not possible, but at least reasonable. I hope, after five year we will not discussing the failure of the project. We are hopeful, that we will change our attitude and get full benefits of this opportunity.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:21am
@Shobhit
Exaclty china considers Pak as a partner and American with their arrogance only a person requried to do the dirty work..
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Apr 21, 2015 11:22am
@NORI
Engineers..who will head the project... Labours and major work force will remain Pakistani..Thus with time our engineers will get trained as well....Think big ..!!!
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Apr 21, 2015 11:24am
@faisal
yeah and right now your Iphone was made in California right..I dont get the double standards here...Yes China power in world is export and they dont import such items..so it on us to use our brains and use this infrastructure for our profit..World has different markets as well..
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Apr 21, 2015 11:25am
What Americans gave Pakistan was reimbursement for expenses. China has offered loans.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:28am
@Old Ravian
I think some one here needs to read some books again. China during Mushraff time got complete support. Its those beans that today they are able to invest so huge ......
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Apr 21, 2015 11:29am
15,000 Chinese will work on projects in Pakistan while 15,000 Pakistanis will provide them security!? WOW!
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Apr 21, 2015 11:32am
Pakistan does not need US help anymore!
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Apr 21, 2015 11:39am
Countries do not have friends. They only have self-interests.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:40am
@faisal SPOT ON with your assessment :-) Hope Pakistanis read through this
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Apr 21, 2015 11:41am
long live China-Pakistan friend ship!!!
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Apr 21, 2015 11:41am
@Al So shocking in New Delhi that indian media just gave this bare minimum coverage ... I had to come to dawn's website to get detailed info ...
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Apr 21, 2015 11:50am
Good for Pakistan and China. It is these kind of developments that changes the face and future of a country. With an economically developed and competitive Pakistan, the common folks will have lot more reason to survive and be hopeful of their future.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:55am
@CYRUS what is the reason, why Pakistan hate America, go and read those reasons too.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:56am
We must not feel arrogant on this, instead we should encourage America and other countries to invest more in Pakistan.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:57am
@NORI in GCC and some other arab countries, majority comprises on expatriates. But still they are progressing.
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Apr 21, 2015 11:59am
The Pakistani government and people need to do all they can to keep the Chinese engineers and investors safe when in Pakistan. I have a feeling certain third parties will do their best to target Chinese interests in Pakistan and undermine the cooperation.
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Apr 21, 2015 12:00pm
many people comment just to show themselves different from others, it is very simple that these projects will boost Pakistan's economy.
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Apr 21, 2015 12:13pm
Coal is death for Sahiwal people ,Please dont sign coal projects , Coal plant are death deal for cities Sahiwal and jehulm ,
Coal is killer please people of Sahiwal wake up ,
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z5mQwpNZ.
Our 2004 study showed that power plant impacts exceeded 24,000 deaths a year, but by 2010 that had been reduced to roughly 13,000 deaths due to the impact that state and federal actions were beginning to have. The updated study shows that strong regulations that require stringent emission controls can have a dramatic impact in reducing air pollution across the country, saving lives, and avoiding a host of other adverse health impacts. The study also shows regrettably that some areas of the country still suffer from unnecessary levels of pollution from power plants that could be cleaned up with the application of proven emission control technologies.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sCITQ8AO0f8
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MrVLBLzs3Uo
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Apr 21, 2015 12:15pm
@Al Rest assured, we in India have not been 'shocked' at this at all. We are happy that China has lent a helping hand, which should help in elevating the economic conditions of your country. Just a word of caution - in geopolitics, there are no free lunches. Otherwise all the best..
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Apr 21, 2015 12:16pm
@faisal
You are disregardinh the fact that we are in a virtual state of war and have a hostile neighbour. We our military expenditure is already very low than India in size.
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Apr 21, 2015 12:21pm
No nation can develop without its own technology.If China is investing 46bn who is going to be benefited.In all infrastructure and other projects Chinese engineers n professional are working. Chinese technology can work only in Pakistan.So it is understood Chinese so called 46bn is very much in favor of China.
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Apr 21, 2015 12:22pm
Americans should learn from the China Pakistan friendship that if you are sincere then people will definitely admire you.
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Apr 21, 2015 12:24pm
But take note that american funding was donation while Chinese money is coming as investment, they will reap heavy profit from it only.
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Apr 21, 2015 12:26pm
True friend indeed...
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Apr 21, 2015 12:28pm
The main problem with US aide is not really its overall size compared to current China package. The two key issues with US are (1) a large percentage of the aide finds its way back to the donor (US in this case) via various consultants, NGO's and persons with US nationality. Not even going into another debate of politicians making money in such deals also sending it back to the western countries. Also not considering the fact that "expansion of US embassy and its conversion into a fortress" is also considered part of US Aide package; and (2) the aide has no strategic value as already highlighted above. Meaning no singly mega power project with US stamp or no major highway etc etc. Apart from these two points,US its seems does not really consider Pakistan as its long term ally, unlike in case of India or Israel. Pakistan should actually refuse aide from any country and encourage investments and technical assistance only.
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Apr 21, 2015 12:36pm
@mk_India This is beyond MOU's. Many of the projects are in various stages of completion with China help, apart from this particular investment, Like Neelum Jehlum power project is 70% completed. The Solar park block one with 100MW is completed, KKH(highway) is renovated and completed. Chashma nuclear power plants I,II, III are completed, working on IV and V. Huge contribution in defence field as well.
There are more than 12000 Chinese working in many projects without creating too much noise about it. This is how Chinese work.
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Apr 21, 2015 12:51pm
People of China make us learn how to fish.... The US govt just makes us dependent on their fish and make us feel the hunger when we don't do what they want.
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Apr 21, 2015 01:02pm
The main problem with the chinese investment is , they don't want pakistanies to be inducted or employed.
The reason should be less technical skill on pak side,language problem or
something else?
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Apr 21, 2015 01:13pm
Good for Pakistan. Now the development will be with great speed.
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Apr 21, 2015 01:17pm
India require Pakistan to look at its economic development. This investment will keep Pakistan busy in development work and cause less trouble to world.
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Apr 21, 2015 01:19pm
friend in need is a true friend indeed - china
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Apr 21, 2015 01:21pm
Pakistan needs to understand its China doing investment as opposed to aid.
So the Chinese would be well within the rights to profit out of this venture.
The Pakistan-China corridor for a start disenfranchises Balochistan. Why did the Gwadar Khasgar highway bypass upper and mid Balochistan is beyond comprehension. Surely that route is much shorter.
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Apr 21, 2015 01:25pm
There is one missed point
a big chunk of US AID is sent back to US with exaggerated consultant fees and their levish living allowances for stay in Pakistan.
Then, larger proportion is set aside for so called advocacy and awareness programs, which makes many foreign educated NGO bosses look rich, without any real impact.
Whereas, Chinese money promises work on ground with men, shovel and concrete, so difference is obvious
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Apr 21, 2015 01:30pm
One should look from the perspective of Pakistan first. The deal sounds great but what will Pakistan get? All all workers going to be Chinese? What happens if terror strike happens on the Chinese workers? There are too many issues that need to be sorted out first.
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Apr 21, 2015 01:35pm
@Mr Universe ....Do you know the impact of roads and rail links? It's my observation and thinking that transportation links in the shape of roads (highways and motorways) enhances economic activities and pursuade investors to invest in such areas. Even if chinese setup their own factories, power plants etc. they simply can't bring all the human resource from china, so in a way our workers' will be able to equip themselves with new technologies and skills. Also the trade route passing through pakistan will increase our geo-strategic importance and create economic activity.
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Apr 21, 2015 01:36pm
The difference is that this will mutually benefit both countries whereas US aid was meant to benefit Pakistan only. China will strategically gain much more than Pakistan. An access to Central Asia, Iran through Pakistan, control of Gawadar port and hence augment its "string of pearls" doctrine and increase Pakistan's dependence on china to keep it within its fold and find a market place of 200m people to sell its domestic product from plastic toys, to railway engines. Pakistan will in turn benefit from improved infrastructure and will overcome its energy needs. Hope it works
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Apr 21, 2015 02:12pm
China is a neighbour and a friend that remembers that Pakistan was at its side during its hour of need and continues to do so .
The Chinese do not consider themselves as a Superpower (very modest of them) and do not suffer from the mind-set of conquest and subjugation. They have in fact suffered immensely like Pakistan and understand our pains.
The Chinese philosophy is to progress through "peaceful-coexistence" and they are proving it to be a viable concept.
This is how hearts and minds are won in third world countries trying to rise from the ashes of colonialism.
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Apr 21, 2015 02:21pm
Aid is AID, will Pakistan be able to stand on its own feet some day.
Why it needs aid at all. It is a country of well built and intelligent people.
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Apr 21, 2015 02:26pm
We appreciates this but there are preferences to Punjab in these projects, but prime Minister is for all Pakistan.
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Apr 21, 2015 02:27pm
@Patriotic Time will tell the truth.
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Apr 21, 2015 02:39pm
@mk_India More extent agree but the case with China is different as she wants to see Pakistan stronger that it could keep challenging India and find out suitable routs to Gulf.
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Apr 21, 2015 03:03pm
The main difference between the Western and the Chinese aid is that the West gives loans in financial terms which change hands and are mismanaged by the donors and the recipient and a big chunk goes into non-developmental spending like wages and salaries etc. Where as the Chinese aid comes with their own professionals who oversee their aid projects and their engineers work beside the locals and implement development on ground.
Western aid work is on papers and Chinese on ground.
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Apr 21, 2015 03:07pm
China sits with four trillion dollars in their kitty, while USA is in debt up to its neck. How can any one compare the rich landlord with a pauper.
Besides China is a trustworthy lender who has stood by Pakistan in the time of need several times, compared to that just to give you one example, in the 1965 war between India and Pakistan, USA very magnanimously put a halt to supply of military equipment to both India and Pakistan, what a joke when Pakistan was the only recipient of arms, while Russia continue to supply arms to India. This is called a betrayal by a so called friend.
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Apr 21, 2015 03:19pm
USA did not want stabilized Pakistan, however CHINA can't afford a destabilized Pakistan. Objectives of both clearly depicts their policies towards Pakistan.
Americans are shortsighted because they don't have any idea of importance of Pakistan.
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Apr 21, 2015 03:20pm
When it comes to Pakistan, immediately the West thinks of their alliances with Asia-pacific region. However, when it comes to India where China's investment is around 100 billions dollars, they don't even utter a word. What a hypocrisy. It means westerners do not like Pakistan to gain economic prosperity and regional stability.
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Apr 21, 2015 03:26pm
@CYRUS you should ask or inquire yourself what has made Americans so hateful among Pakistanis?
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Apr 21, 2015 03:33pm
By bringing in Chinese companies for the construction, China is essentially ploughing back most of the investment into its own economy. What Pakistan will eventually get is power and a road which isn't bad at all. Since Chinese are bringing their own workforce, I wonder what kind of jobs will this generate for Pakistanis.
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Apr 21, 2015 03:33pm
Comments from my countrymen express great concern about China exploiting our neighbor, but they conveniently ignore the fact that in any successful business negotiations, both parties get what they want. This deal will give Pakistan much needed investments in infrastructure to push growth upto levels of emerging countries. China is obviously investing to diversify its trade routes (existing trade route and oil supply can be blocked in straight of malacca if US wants that). Moreover, it's economical for China's western areas to trade through Pakistan reducing the transit cost. In long term, China is looking to assert domination (may be in few decades) but then it will need pakistans infrastructure to do so. I don't see Pakistan being exploited as it was by US.
The bottleneck now for Pakistan is internal security issues and effective implementation of the projects. Need to wait and watch how these things pan out. Pakistan has potential to become a leading emerging market as India did.
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Apr 21, 2015 03:37pm
@fida sayani USA: US does not need foreign currency deposits. It's biggest export is USD. US can just print dollar and service its bonds thereby exporting inflation to world. China and India don't have that luxury
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Apr 21, 2015 03:48pm
Let us not get carried away here. It does not have to be one or the other. We need to have friendly and strong trade relationship with BOTH China and US. There is no reason to antagonize US as the only way to have stronger trade links with China.
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Apr 21, 2015 04:14pm
One must understand that Pak-China ties are of strategic nature which have got a long historical background while Pak-America relationship has always been a marriage of convenience. Comparing the two would be a big mistake.
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Apr 21, 2015 04:20pm
@fida sayani USA you forgot 71, when the 5th fleet was coming to our aid but never made it
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Apr 21, 2015 04:34pm
a good slap to the americans who have historically looked down on us. Now they can see us joining their rivals.
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Apr 21, 2015 04:40pm
The realisation of the Pak-China Economic Corridor with its roads, raiways and and oil and gas pipelines from the ME ,is going to be a geopolitical game changer for the world and away from the West. A new brave world!
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Apr 21, 2015 04:49pm
Is this a competition on who invests how much.I guess it is unto each nation to decide what is strategically appropriate.
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Apr 21, 2015 05:01pm
China is showing its confidence and commitment to Pakistan. It has always come to Pakistans aid when needed.
China is a time tested friend.
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Apr 21, 2015 07:50pm
Wel, I think this strategic decision by China was expected and is a win-win situation for both Pakistan and China. It is high time that we Pakistanis should work hard and think collectively as a nation.
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Apr 21, 2015 10:59pm
@Zaffar I think all of the world is affected by made in china thing. This does not mean that Pakistan doesn't get anything.At least it is the infrastructure. We Pakistani even don't pay taxes to build infrastructure.
So congrats to the non tax paying critic nation.
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Apr 22, 2015 07:33am
USA is not friend in need but hidden enemy who raise its head when you are weak. Friend of Saddam friend of shah of Iran, friend of Gaddafi and many on list but betrayed them and killed.
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Apr 22, 2015 09:10am
@faisal AlHumdulillah for you are thinking.
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Apr 22, 2015 09:30am
Pakistan's policies will be dictated by China now.
It will be nearly impossible for Pakistan to stop China to meddle in their affairs. Sounds like a colonial rule.
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Apr 22, 2015 11:04am
@Einstein Babar There is no need to wait for Einstein's opinion on who is going to benefit from this. Surely it is China all the way. They will bring their workers and transport their goods via Pakistani land with security provided by the hosts.
This model is already functioning in Africa and to some extent in Sri Lanka. The hosts their have not much benefits at all.
Please look into that before concluding.
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Apr 22, 2015 11:08am
@Nizamuddin Ahmad Aali Thats is the point here. China is not a democracy and they are not answerable to anyone. All they need at the moment is to run their economy and Pakistan is a right country which will lease out large tracts of its land to build the infra to transport goods to other countries.
There is little benefit to the host country here. Maybe little bit of trade, but no new jobs are going to be created as the workers will mostly are Chinese.
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Apr 22, 2015 11:10am
@Rizwan Do not worry. Your tears will also continue for different reason after you come to know about the real beneficiary here.
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Apr 22, 2015 11:17am
@Zaffar That is the point here. Chinese economy is slowing down and they would like to create more jobs outside China and hence they bringing lots of their workers to pakistan who will send back their money to China thereby improving Chinese economy.
India smartly ignored the chinese overtures to help in their silk road project knowing about these facts.
What is the point in helping another country when the locals do not benefit much ?
First thing any country should focus is to create more jobs for the locals which will improve their economy.
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Apr 22, 2015 11:43am
Nobody does charity Globally. The past history, of this part of continent shows that British came for trade and then ruled for 300 years . Motive and Intention for generosity need to be understood with proper control and checks in place.
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Apr 22, 2015 01:10pm
The comparison is flawed. The major part of Chinese money is for investing with an aim to earn it back & more in future. These earnings will be by Chinese firms.The American money is a gift with no need to repay.
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Apr 22, 2015 02:31pm
It is imperative in international politics to review the impact of bilateral relation.Naturally there are mixed reactions in some countries emerging.There are also positive signs . Some western and major Indian media have been projecting Pakistan as an isolated state if not pariah over the decades.It did not help neither none of them nor Pakistan.China did not care. It has come to rescue its old friend Pakistan from its financial isolation.Hopefully, SAARC region as a whole and Asia will reap the benefit from China- Pakistan economic corridor.
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Apr 22, 2015 05:32pm
@CYRUS hahahhahah...... i smell evil
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Apr 22, 2015 05:49pm
1. USA aid to pak was like a salary plus perks for Pakistan Army and politicians to fight american war.
Pak Military did a good job to keep the fund coming with little or no service (i mean results) to USA , it has also played double games to keep the salary coming forever by keeping the trouble alive.
Results : USA did not gain anything , Pak public did not gain anything, Pak military and Politicians made billions plus got military might.
2. China interest in pak are different , it need pak to connect it to Afghan and Europe by road so it is building road and other infrastructure for the same. It may help Pakistan and its public as well. Second interest is to provide military power to pak to counter India and put pressure on India to give in the Chinese favor for border dispute as well as other strategic points like Indian Ocean.
Result : The relationship is win win situation for (may be for) pak and (more and absolute for) china. One way relation driven by Chinese interests
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Apr 22, 2015 10:10pm
@mmh ...that is only possible if Pakistan develops good relations with India.
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Apr 22, 2015 10:12pm
@Guest ..But unfortunately Pakistan has misutilized US aid. Either the money was used for developing terror infrastructure, or arms against India, or gulfed by corrupt politicians.
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Apr 22, 2015 10:21pm
@Mr Universe China is conquering Pakistan indirectly, in an intelligent way. It brings infrastructure developments, power projects, and use it for its exports and access to African markets.
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Apr 22, 2015 10:30pm
@ahmad This should not convert an all-weather friend to all-weather enemy.
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Apr 22, 2015 10:32pm
@B R chawla ..yes you are right!
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Apr 22, 2015 10:37pm
The ultimate truth is that- Pakistan can only survive or grow with good Indian relations.
If you compare Chinese and Indians, Indians are more close to Pakistanis than Chinese w.r.t appearance, language, culture food etc.
Sino-pak relation is of lesser scope.
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Apr 23, 2015 12:12am
@Rizwan bro its exactly this emotion of yours, or for that matter anybody among us, which enables the person next to us takes us for a ride! Do u seriously believe the Chinese are pouring those huge amounts of money just to develop u my friend?? They are investing in ur country for their own personal benefits..
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Apr 23, 2015 03:08am
@mk_India we are talking about foreign investment in all sorts of sectors here-dont you get it
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Apr 23, 2015 05:39am
Its time to say good bye to America and there WARS and stick with china
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Apr 23, 2015 06:01am
There is no comparison. What US gave was aid. What China is doing is investment and would certainly hope for return. Now whether this investment turn bad and become aid or whether Pakistan can utilize it and able to give some return back to China, that remains to be seen.
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Apr 23, 2015 08:33am
@Wasif Farooqi
Your views are flawed. Just see how your provinces are reacting. Govt didnt take the provinces on board. Govt is not telling the people that 80% of the project costs are in the form of loans. Govt agreed that all materials of the project will be sourced from China. It means, China is giving you loans then compelling you to buy chinese materials, workers will be chinese and then Pay back the loans. Again Pakistan will buy the produce too. Yes, Pakistan will get the infra and hope this infra will be feeding the Pakistanis. What a revolutionary proposition!
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Apr 23, 2015 08:50am
Nobody gives money for free to anybody. In return you may have to pay heavy price. Americans paid billions for their own interest and world is watching the result of free American Dollars in Pakistan. God knows what China is giving now and what fruit will be reaped after 10 years!!! All the best Pakistan!!
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Apr 23, 2015 09:01am
Well the intentions of Chinese are very clear. Pakistani people are in love with them so can't really find any fault in that. But here is something to ponder for Pakistanis. Punjab govt has given the contract of a 900 MW solar power plant in Bhawalpur to a Chinese company at a cost of 1.5 Billion USD and funds are provided by Chinese banks. The cost per unit of power generated is not disclosed yet. Now this is not an aid but a loan. The plant will use 4500 hectares of land. Compare this to 750 MW solar power plant in India at a cost of 643 Million USD requiring 1500 Hectare of land. Pakistan would end up paying more than double for 150 MW extra. If China is indeed a true friend as it claims, it should give soft loan to Pakistan but let Pakistan decide the suppliers to build infrastructure.
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Apr 23, 2015 11:38am
May be it is good fortune for Pakistan but China should have first taken India's approval and permission before arriving at offer. Pakistan is not grateful to USA for its generous helps in almost all field. Its a different story that their government did not use the funds for public welfare utilities . I believe the same way Chinese help will go. Anyway, Good luck Pakistan janta.
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Apr 23, 2015 12:46pm
US package is nothing more than bribes to politicians, bureaucrats and technocrats to take care of US agendas in Pakistan. It had never aimed at Pakistan's prosperity. Whereas Chinese plan will make both countries unstoppable.
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Apr 23, 2015 01:38pm
The difference is USA gives it as charity while China will ensure they get 25% return
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Apr 23, 2015 01:39pm
@ziaurrehman if you would have used the littlw aid during the last 10 years then Silk route project would hqve been complete without any debt
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Apr 23, 2015 02:41pm
@umer Well USA did given you (Govt & Army) hard cash and it is up to the receiving party how to utilize them why usa is at fault here and not your govt and army ?
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Apr 23, 2015 02:57pm
@umer
You seems to be a fortune teller. Pakistanis used to sing the same tune for US a decade ago then they sang it for Turkey and the latest one is China.
Boss, countries do not progress when people starts looking towards another country to pull them up.
Confused! Be ready for another round of exploitation. You must start demanding that a Chinese must sit Iin the examination on behalf of you. Start oiling your own machine.
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Apr 23, 2015 05:00pm
our best friend usa no more. now let's see how long the next friend takes to leave us.
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Apr 23, 2015 09:12pm
First things first: This is not an aid; it is an investment.
People in Indian subcontinent or SE Asia are the poorest in the world. one of the reasons is: neighbors in Indian subcontinent hardly trade.
From Indian perspective, it is much awaited and welcome development. Instead of money going to buy arms and increase military strengths which indirectly strengthen terrorists and become a direct threat to India, $46 billion is going to build infrastructure project and create more jobs. With better infrastructure capabilities, trade will progress further between neighbors and bring prosperity to the region.
Pakistan cannot get a 'better' friend than China who is investing in their future. On the other hand, Pakistan need to remain cautious and don't put the sovereignty on lease as they did for Americans. They need to make sure that they get the fair deal. Any negative sentiments against the deal need to be evaluated and addressed instead of curbing them.
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Apr 23, 2015 09:28pm
@Raja Parekh
Haha this is the funniest comment of all. Yes Raja, China should have sought permission from hindustan first. Just like they should have done in 1962!
Hasan
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Apr 23, 2015 09:35pm
The difference is in civilisation. One is a truly great civilisation, with broad and long-term thinking. The other is an upstart by comparison. Also the Chinese understand the importance of trying to maintain best possible relations with their neighbours, India included. The Chinese are superably focused on economic develeopment and to maintain their number one position. They do not interfer with the running of the other nations but are quick to do deals for mutual benefit. By and large their approach is one of respect for other nations - live and let live. The Europeans should learn from the Chinese and try not to antagonise the Russians, just because this is how the US wants it.
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Apr 23, 2015 10:39pm
I feel that Pakistan cultivates friendship with any country for two reasons-One,that country should help Pakistan in cash and kind and two,that country should preferably be a rich Muslim country not too friendly with India.Pakistan should be aware of the fate of such understandings of the Chinese agreements with the country of Sri Lanka.Mortgaging country's future with unworkable agreements just because these agreements are against another country like India do more harm than good.
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Apr 24, 2015 02:24am
This could be a game changer for China, Pakistan and the whole region. If India and Pakistan can get their act togeather, this could benefit everybody. It could open up vast markets for Chinese and Indian goods in Central Asia, and at last peace could prevail.
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Apr 24, 2015 07:04am
@mk_India. For Pakistan, China always had a different attitude. It is time tested with no constraints. Please read the history.
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Apr 24, 2015 11:09am
and vice versa
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