By the news articles here it sounds as though Pakistan beat India very solidly in 1965.

Good to see that truth was (is and will be) always first causality in the war. So now I believe there is no Kashmir problem neither for Pakistan nor for India. 1965 war settled the problem once for all.

What a fight it was. Pakistan brought a 10 times bigger army to its knees. I wonder what would be the result now. With our warplanes and nukes.

Thanks Pakistan for saving my family from Indian hegemony, we are now living happily under just rule of Pakistan.

Pakistan should remember the sacrifices made by our forefathers for kashmiris welfare, Is their any museum to commemorate and showcase it ?

The most interesting thing is the hysterical tone of the reports, e.g., the phrase "Indians killed" as if each and every Indian is a bloodthirsty tyrant whose killing is to gloated over! War reporting in 1965 seems to have no subtlety, rather it was just savage chest-thumping, just as would you see in head-hunting tribal conflicts. The Indians are just plain-and-simple villains and the Mujahids are shining angels. Perhaps what we gained in the last 50 years is learning to pay some respect to the enemy, and the ability to differentiate between civilians and combatants. Clinging on to these childish binaries is the most serious impediment to Indo-Pak stability.

Nice coverage

"A collection of reports from the Dawn newspaper archives provide a day by day account of the August build-up to the India-Pakistan 1965 war" The international community should wake up & face Kashmir issue that has been the cause of three conventional war between India & Pakistan. The suppressing & killing of Kashmiris by the Indian armed forces neither helped before nor will help in the future. A just solution acceptable to Kashmiris will help clear the looming danger & make the area more peaceful & prosperous place to live. Almost every day border skirmish by Indian forces is inviting trouble.

After having nukes, news will not be the same this time. Instead of war we should hove solution of Kashmir as soon as possible, my dear here and there.

What happened??? Did you ultimately win!!! 1965 / 1971/1999 or 2015!!!! Please also publish the aftermath!!!!

In almost every newspaper cutting above, heavy damage on Indians is being reported but still Pakistan unable to grab a single inch of Kashmir from India in 1965 war? :)

In all these news how many so called patriots are killed no where mentioned in head line.do their life not counted or just Indians were killed.

Indian news papers published story with another angle.

@bit saf Things arent very different even in 2015. Just try watching any Pakistani or Indian news channel for 15 minutes

@Salman Khan A war is won when the declared objectives are achieved. For Pakistan it was the 'liberation' of Indian occupied Kashmir which did not happen. Also, if you read books written by Altaf Gauhar and Qudrat Ullah Shahab who were the top government officials at that time you will come to know that towards the end Pakistan's position was pretty bad. They were barely holding it altogether. There was no other option then to accept a ceasefire. 1965 was an unnecessary military adventure and in terms of results at best it was a stalemate.

@raja hindustani Sorry to break your myth , we already have more than half of J & K and will take it completely one day

All those sacrifices meant nothing ,kashmiris are still suffering day and night, in their sleep the violence haunts them and they wake up from the nightmare screaming and sweating profusely.

@raja hindustani Ignorance is bliss, Pakistan army made significant advances in the chamb jorian sector and in panic Indians opened up all fronts on 6 September to divide the smaller Pakistan army and relive the pressure on Kashmir.

With the news coverage it seems pakistan should be sitting in kashmir in 65, what happened? what happened in 71 and in kargil..news reports seem to be painting a victory story whereas truth is something else..

I am not sure how Dawn was reporting causalities from Indian side when it is not able to do same from FATA and Wazaristan which are in Pakistan. Or those were also could not be verified :)

You guys should also create stories on how Bangladesh got created!

And than Pakistan won the war and got Kashmir..

1948/1965 / 1971/1999 story is same

Then what happened to Kashmir?

Kashmiris turned their backs on Pakistan Army.

@Anand Bardhan they did lose east Pakistan in 1971 if memory serves me right and had to retreat after asking for USA's help in 1999. Unfortunately we could not inflict as severe a damage in 1965 even though Pakistan army was desperately clinging on to defend their part of the turf, with operation Gibraltar a total failure.

In the first week of Aug 1965, 5,000 lightly armed men slipped across the ceasefire line (from Pakistan). Please read this article from Dawn: http://www.dawn.com/news/839808/war-blunders-in-1965

@einstein babar Save Karachi and Balochistan from internal rebellion or you may get Kashmir but lose another arm like you lost Bangladesh.

Nice !! now waiting for article on 1971 war also!!

@raja hindustani have you ever been to mardan.we will provide the khusboo.you just need to get visa :)

@einstein babar We lost Bangladesh in last effort

@kamal what?

@anil very true!

Yes. Kashmir was liberated by Pakistan in 1965. So why are we fighting now?

@einstein babar - Did you win that half in 65 war?

@haider rehman you can go by the facts and decide which country is better

@anil keep dreaming in 1948 you lost part of Kashmir, in 1965 despite the superiority in numbers and armaments you failed to make any significant breakthrough on Pakistan. Keep dreaming. despite all your efforts Pakistan still exists and InshAllah will continue to do so. Time for you people to wake up and smell the coffee or the reality in this case.

So Kashmir became a part of Pak? Where's the outcome of Op. Gibralter?

Thank you DAWN for showing how comical the propaganda was then as it is now. With love to both sides of the divide

After going through these war reports, I have to confess that without obtaining the Pak visa, I had visited Srinagar recently !!!!!!! What is the end result of the 1965 war? Pakistan occupied 500 plus Sq. Kilometers of Indian territory and India occupied 1900 plus Sq. Kilometers of Pak territory. R.S. Menon, Bangalore

and what happened to HAJJI PEER pass ?

Thanks a lot Pakistan Army for saving my country..... Amazing bunch of news, Thank you for sharing.....

These are patriotic reports and there nothing wrong in them.But truth was something else and nothing wrong in it either.

@Abdulla Hussain International community is pointing fingers at atrocities it is committing in Pak occupied Kashmir and FATA. Please listen to that.

Pakistan Raged the War by sending these Patriots,all know who were these patriots,after seeing india is weak after 1962 war with china.Still Pakistan could not achieve its objectives. clearly shows who won.

It is a fact that India was initially taken by surprise and was overwhelmed but fought back. Mujahids and army that supported them almost depleted all their arms and ammunitions Had the war continued for another week it would have been a major debacle for Mujahideens and those supporting them. It cannot by denied that it was a close shave. Had Mujahids managed to capture Srinagar it would have been very difficult. In contrast 1971 was almost a cakewalk for India. The battle of Longewal is considered as a major debacle with hardly 120 Indian troops fending of massive tank formation. Jews and Arabs have stopped fighting Russians and Americans have stopped . Germans and French (who tore each others apart in two world wars) stopped. We are still sabre rattling in a silly manner.

So reassuring to see that some things never change.

Inshaallah we will repeat the history again. We all Pakistani will make this country strong. Pakistan is iron fist for India.

Bhutoo went into war when ayub khan wanted peace with india ,after water treaty with nehru ,ayub and nehru almost settled border issue . India fought back after shastri asked armed forces to open the battle on all frontiers ,a very courageous call ,bhutoo never thought of it,Indian went offensive and pushed pakistan back. Mushraff tried same game plan in kargil ,but escaped as vajpee being moderate didnot open all fronts....

Kashmir plebiscite by UN should have been held then and matter resolved according to kashmiri wishes. 50 years on and the conflict rages. India still occupies illegally and brutally the kashmiris in IOK and Loc violations are raging daily. India's stupidity is mind boggling, it is a wound which is slowly turning into cancer for India and will spread to Sikh Khalistan. Still time for India to save itself from a certain end.

For an unbiased account I suggest the following book: Kashmir in Conflict: India, Pakistan and the Unending War By Victoria Schofield The truth is has a different color than this article in Dawn.

@Krishnan It is all about Justice. If you do beleive in Justice why not allow the people of Kashmir to decide and we can all agree with the Kashmiris decisions and move on. Why India is denying the rights of self determination to Kashmir.

Brother fighting with brother and then decide which brother won. The world laughs and enjoys the show.

Shaikh Abdullah had just arrived in Pakistan as a special emissary of Nehru under a major breakthrough in Indo-Pak relations, when nature acted suddenly taking the life of Nehru and removing him from the scene. Shaikh Abdullah had to rush back home and after that, things took a new turn, culminating in 1965 war.

@Salmon Khan my bother research the damage done by nuke in Hiroshima and Nagasaki todays nuke are capable of doing damage at the biggest scale then in 2nd world war and radiation will also effect the Pakistan in the same scale if used by pak army and result would be so dangerous that even 200 years are not enough to heal

@bit saf well said

Well done , U.K, & Pak press .

I love dawn for bringing the annals of history to the readers.

It needs really a big heart to celebrate your defeat...indian PM got one.

The world has moved on. But political maturity of both India Pakistan hasn't moved a bit since 1947. Those who disagree, please compare the political scenerio of 1947 and present for Subcontinent and rest the world i.e. Europe , SE Asia, Middle East etc

As long as we will listen Govt propaganda, democracy will not be established and people will not be empowered. Due to this war propaganda, instability will keep our people poor and weak forever. Lets empower the people by education and discuss the Kashmir situation again after 10 years.

Pakistan thinks Indian army doest not kill. He he he

Independent source. At the time of ceasefire India held 710 sq miles of Pakistani territory and Pakistan held 210 sq miles of Indian territory. Casualties and equipment losses were were higher to Pakistan Army.

@Salman Khan cute 1971 :P

Anyways, the things is with so much nuke you are not gonna benefited. you will be benefited when you find good upbringing of you kids and a healthy life style. What our elders did in past which is not glorious and its time of our generation to come up with love and to provide better place for living. In India we give love to Pakistani actors/ Musicians/ Sportsman and do you think that could be possible if there is any hatred in Indians..Answer is NO. But when we read Pakistani newspapers found you guys teach your next generation as India is an enemy country and see them with anger only. Come on guys, in India we have much better work then only talk about Pakistan bad things. Its time for change and spread love. What our govts doing is their job but if we guys contribute in harmony then I'm sure our govts. would dissolve borders as had happen in Germany.

@einstein babar More than half. Are you really einstein ?

Why did we pick an English name like 'Gibraltar'? for this operation?

@Rashid. Well said Rashid. We need to progress forward in our thinking and act like "human beings" instead of "savages". Let us leave all this militaristic past behind us. Time to act and fight the"real enemies" (poverty, bad governance,poor infrastructure, corruption, bigotry, etc). In order for that to happen, the media including Dawn should stop digging into our bitter past and post positive re-conciliatory articles. Else, meaningless human emotions come to bear as is evident from some of the comments here.

"Those who survive a nuclear war, will envy the dead" - Nikita Khurashev (President of USSR 1953-1964). India and Pakistan please take note. Putting ego and empty rhetoric aside, this guy almost single-handedly averted a third world war by removing Russian missiles from Cuba on a very short ultimatum from US President Kennedy. He must have known something about a nuclear war that we don't understand yet.

Neutral assessments: According to the Library of Congress Country Studies conducted by the Federal Research Division of the United States[17] – The war was militarily inconclusive; each side held prisoners and some territory belonging to the other. Losses were relatively heavy—on the Pakistani side, twenty aircraft, 200 tanks, and 3,800 troops. Pakistan's army had been able to withstand Indian pressure, but a continuation of the fighting would only have led to further losses and ultimate defeat for Pakistan. Most Pakistanis, schooled in the belief of their own martial prowess, refused to accept the possibility of their country's military defeat by "Hindu India" and were, instead, quick to blame their failure to attain their military aims on what they considered to be the ineptitude of Ayub Khan and his government.

@WaheedNoor Giraltor is actually Jabal At Tariq in Arabic, after Tariq bin Ziad, the moorish general who conquered Spain.

@bit saf: Do you listen to yourself talk? it's ok, relax, you might be the biggest liberal in your own right....do you ever hear the Indians talk about their country/history/government/actions the way you and some of our other brothers and sisters do? NO you don't, you want to know why? because they are not stupid.

@SK This is a great conclusive summary.

"PAKISTAN ZINDABAD"

Must say fighting with neighbors does not solve problems. I wish both sides become good neighbors and even remove borders. So many have died on both sides and if there is another war many more will die but neither side can live in peace until they take the hate out of their minds. Yes this may be a dream type statement but is possible and should be implemented.

@Nasir Khan wow...its people like you who give Pakistani people bad name. cool down, and try to diffuse the tension.

@kamal You are right

Great article; thanks for setting the records straight once for all.

@Iqbal great thought dear...

Pack of lies. I being from Kashmir, remember every day of this conflict. It was repeat of 1947 attempt, sending marauders as freedom fighters. Radio Sadai Kashmir was operating from Pakistan occupied kashmir. Srinagar was normal all through the conflict.Life was normal. Scoops and colleges were open and so the movie theatres.The infiltrators got absolutely no support from locals. In fact the locals reported the infiltrators to police. Indian army reached the doors of Lahore and then it was cease fire.

Still remember when I was a young boy of 14 years old and the skirmishes in Kashmir had begun.Now after 45 years I am reading the day by day events of 65 war in DAWN with excitement and events are as fresh in my mind as it had happened yesterday. Besides the technology I must thank Dawn for publishing such historical events.

@zulfiqar

@zulfiqar OK. How about Grand Slam the operation that followed Gibraltar?

Reading these headlines - No Pakistani causalities were reported? Pakistan came out of the war without loosing a soul?

Great article..But all are lies...as they do it now...Nothing truth...:-)

@SK Totally agree. My point is that none of the headlines talk about Pakistani causalities.

The most revealing aspect of this revisit is a testimony to the improvement in the quality of journalism that has taken place in the dawn in the last half century. I only saw the coverage of the events from the Indian side at that time. The quality of journalism of the Indian newspapers like Statesman was much superior. Now, it is dawn which is superior.

@Iqbal : Only sane opinion - no need to be jingoistic who on who won the war and who lost. What you said is right? Hope both India and Pakistan come to their senses and focus on development than digging in the past.

That's all you have for us. We won but we do not say you lost because we are neighbours and we know how to respect the relation. Your foreign minister just could not stand in front on our NSA Ajit Doval, that's what we have for you today.

@Jatt No mate it is neither about Justice nor about morality. Its about international politics and perceptions of national interests Vs Individual pride. Till the day Indians pakistanis will be economically well off and 100% literate no they will continue to behave and be ruled or " won" like sheep . Only mature nations and populations hold plebicites to decide about territorial shifts. No body in this world cares about what their great grand fathers did 60 -70 years ago so don't think indian politicians will ever care about UN resolutions from 1940s . These are now like bed time stories like once upon a time... Lets just live peacefully and improve our quality of life. If we all are well fed in next 50 years and still care about we are breathing indian pakistania or kashmiri air then we can hold a plebiscite. And by the way if you still concerned about justice and right for self determination lets talk about Tibet etc too .. Just chill guys

@Salman Khan try and find out will be my answer.

@WaheedNoor We picked the name Gibraltar because in actual fact it was (Jabl ul Tariq), a high place (mountain) where Tariq Bin Zyad addressed his handful army before they defeated Spanish king and liberated Spain and it's people from an oppressor.

I was posted in Srinagar(Capt) and was attached to a special unit commanded by Maj.Gen.Umrao Singh did not see any fire burning or uprising or masacare of civillians in Baramula or any where else.There was no uprising. Surinder Singh Kade(Capt rtd)

Nobody wins a war-there is no point in glorifying any war. Both India and Pakistan would have been belonged to first world countries today had not they been fighting each other for last 66 years and not wasted billions of dollars in building up there military machineries.

@Kumar -- Please don't rub salt, it may hurt. We have after all lived together for centuries and are still neighbour for the rest of all times!

Kudos to Dawn to republishes snippets from the old time. This gives glimpse of how was the media coverage in the country during the war for younger generations (who missed the war).

War hysteria on both sides of the border will neither help India nor Pakistan. I feel that the Media should refrain from creating a hype on our side and sanity should prevail. 1965 war gave Pakistan nothing in return and the economic recovery was stymied. I hope we would learn something from history and aim for peace along LOC.

There is no glory in war but only in peace!!!

Dear Pakistanis and Indians, we should remember the lives lost and maimed in this war today and try to do see that how we can stop hating each other so that our countries grow out of this habit of fighting each other. Do we not have enough choice in common enemies that we also need to fight each other? Poverry, corruption, illiteracy, diseases, stravation, lack of jobs, superstition, clean air, clean water, childhood - the choices are unlimited. The powers that be only protect their rule to pass it on to their families/organisations - they couldnot care less about the man on the streets - this is true for powers that rule us and also the world powers/media who seem to support them.

@Abdulla Hussain; ' The international community should wake up & face Kashmir issue that has been the cause of three .... ' Mir kya sada hain beemar huay jin ke sabab.

@ehsan That's called war strategy in case you aren't aware.

@Iqbal ..I agree "One Hunderd Per Cent" Iqbbal bro.

Operation Gibralter was very perfectly timed.Pakistani economy was good, Indian economy bad, India had recently lost Indo china war. Indian leader Nehru passed away (who had relations with many world leaders and who was a capable person). Lal bahadur a very gentle person became the Prime Minister of India. Even at that time Pakistani leaders' aims were not achieved then imagine what will happen in future, when there will be Indira Gandhi,Vajpayee or Modi as Prime minister, India have and developing many satellites and anti missile technology. East and west Pakistani are not together, Indian economy better, Pakistani economy bad, Indo china have huge trade dependency, many big countries have investment in India, Pakistan no longer have great relations with Iran, UAE, Afghanistan, Talibans and ISIS are there to gain any opportunity,

@Sadhu read Wikipedia or other neutral war reports and you will find the truth!

@SK There is video of Gen[R]Roedad Khan of Pakistan army explaining the sequence of events 1965 war that you can watch on Youtube.Very candid.

@Salman Khan Problem still persists so what was achieved?

@ehsan which mean when we became aggressive you went into defence mode...... it says it all

We should discuss peace and promote peace and understanding.

Indian claims[76] Pakistani claims[77] Independent Sources[1][78] Casualties – – 3,000 Indian soldiers, 3,800 Pakistani soldiers Combat flying effort 4,073+ combat sorties 2,279 combat sorties Aircraft lost 59 IAF (official), 43 PAF.[9] In addition, Indian sources claim that there were 13 IAF aircraft lost in accidents, and 3 Indian civilian aircraft shot down.[79] 19 PAF, 104 IAF 20 PAF, 60-75 IAF; Pakistan claims India rejected neutral arbitration.[80][81] Aerial victories 17 + 3 (post war) 30 – Tanks destroyed 128 Indian tanks, 152 Pakistani tanks captured, 150 Pakistani tanks destroyed. Officially 471 Pakistani tanks destroyed and 38 captured[82] 165 Pakistan tanks[dubious – discuss][citation needed] Land area won 1,500 sq mi (3,900 km2) of Pakistani territory 250 sq mi (650 km2) of Indian territory India held 710 sq mi (1,800 km2) of Pakistani territory and Pakistan held 210 sq mi (540 km2) of Indian territory

go to wiki for truth

@zulfiqar Thanks for raising a sane voice. But it is not India who is blackmailing with its nuclear. Infact India did its first nuclear test in way back to 1975. But i never came a single incident were Indians blackmailing Pakistan with their nuclear weapon.It is Pakistan who fluants its nuclear weaponary.

Whatever had happened had happened. No point talking about war. Lets talk about educating the children and improving livelihood pls. How can India help pak on this and how can pak help india? When can we discuss that?

Its dangerous to manipulate, forget and learn from history..

In wartime, truth is so precious that she should always be attended by a bodyguard of lies. Winston Churchill

As Kashmir has been the route cause of war between two countries,both of them should work towards a legitimate solution. By media hype and politics, lot of hatred has been cultivated.Talking about, killing each other is not a solution,it will hurt more . We being part of Occupied Kashmir are feed up with both counties diplomacy. Leave us alone,a open border for both countries. U come for travel,trade etc. Dont think abt ruling us.

Nice to read news from that time. After next war only Kashmir will survive hosting billions of refugees from India and Pakistan.

@bit saf Agree.

Indian government should answer why they occupied Pakistan's land like Kashmir, Junagadh, Manavadar, Hyderabad and others which granted to Pakistan at the time of partition (why they are at Siachen glacier, Sir Creek....)? Why they dis-integrated East Pakistan to Bangladesh? So its natural Pakistan feel insecure to India who is far bigger in size as well Indians should have dealt Pakistan as a big brother since begining (if Kashmir not captured and plebicite awarded) for prosperity of people of both sides but that never happend and unlikely in future>>>>

.thank you Dawn for showing it

@Sadhu share links and archive

@Salman Khan read facts now you have internet more than text books published by Pakistani Govt.

Prepare for the upcoming conflict between India and Pakistan typically between September to November. 2015 War will be only for less than a week. It will leave two nations mostly paralyzed for conducting day to day operations and will slowly recover to routine business in about three months. Limited nuclear war will isolate many important cities, and logistical supports of all kind will be close to non existent. Eventually Pakistan will come out liberating occupied Kashmir. India will slip into chaos of separatists movement and will get divided into smaller independent states over a period of two to four years. Moody and his modes will start the use of nuclear weapons strike in early to mid September 2015 by striking in the north, west and south of Pakistan. Pakistan will retaliate by hitting key targets in highly dense defense concentration areas of military might and key defense installations. India and Pakistan both will slip into the hands of China's growing influence in the region

@Anand Bardhan False propaganda by them to befool their own ppl.

@einstein babar Sir, tht was taken in 1947 by deception when Raja Hari Singh was there and Indian Army was not present.If IA would hav been there the picture might have been different.

@Ali It was concocted for domestic purposes and just to justify the failure of Operation Gibralter, face saving was need of the hour.

in this modern developing world, this silly pakistani journalist talks of war and kiling. some pak live only on anti-india media. there are millions in both countries who dont have food to eat, please build roads, make hospitals . pakistan should get a development leader

@Junaid kashmir had been made a root cause by politicians.

so Pakistan use same book every time "Mujahid fighting" Can you publish headline also when Dhaka fall?

To Q ADIL, Interestingly a significant portion of Kashmir is still with India. So then Pakistan didn't beat India-right?

Only solution to bring peace on south east region is to have dioelog no war otherwise the region will pile up with refugees like Europe and many territories will be born like Israel

These news were all propaganda war against the Indians and to instigate and boost the morale of the fighters. I am sure Indian newspapers were printing exactly opposite of this and truth was very little whether it was in Pak or Indian newspaper. One thing sure, Pakistan never won over Indian and all its claims of victories were simply for the consumption of its people.

@einstein babar First of all it is not one half but it is one third. Secondly not an inch of Kashmir was won by Pakistan in 1965 or any other war with India. The part of Kashmir Pakistan has was taken right after partition and that too due to the mistake of Nehru and Gandhi. I hope Sardar Patel was given a free hand and the issue of Pakistan would have been finished right then. Anyway in the quest to liberate Kashmir Pakistan lost half it and part of Kargil. Thirdly if you you try one more time then you may lose more instead of gaining an inch of Kashmir or any other part of India. I will suggest that citizens of both countries should realize that war never brings any gain but more and more misery. The best thing is stop bragging and as decent citizens of Pakistan and India should work toward a better future for their coming generations.

@SAEED PK You will not only we will have solution of Kashmir but there may not be anybody left in both the countries to relish the liberation the Kashmir minus people. Sometime I wonder the people who put comments like this know what are nuclear weapons and how the work.

@ehsan Please answer if somebody hits you on your say shoulder then you can't hit him anywhere else?

@Woz Ahmed Woz Bhai I live in USA and during last 35 years Indian and Pakistani are live families. We celebrate everything together but why it is so difficult for people of the India and Pakistan to do the same. If you dig deeper it is the fault of our politicians who brainwash people with false propaganda to stay in power. Until this changes I do not see relations will get any border and people on both sides will keep on suffering from death and destruction.

@Rashid Yes Sir, but at least Indian PM has heart when your leader even refused to accept the outcome of 1965 and any other war with India. I don't know why people are so naive that they don't care to read the history of the wars from any impartial international source.

Guys, I am from India & staying in US ... played with Indo_pak team with Pak gentleman as captain. I felt we have same mentality .. went along very well & even discussed eachothers issues/problems ... it was great. Point is why r we doing this ? (we dicussed music ...inparticular Gulam ali saheb , kishore da,Mohmammed rafi saheb, Lata mangeshkar etc .. Anyways, any war is ugly , people want to move on with their own lives & make it better .. but tis is utterly flase... pl wath this video from your own --> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=exAlTqrfRa4 .. pl do NOT let the students learn false/distorted history .. wake up & let them support eachother inpositive way,share the knowledge & make life better for eachother ... just like US & Canada does .. just my 2 cents here

If India would not have cross the international border from Punjab and Rajasthan to relieve the pressure from Pakistan army on LOC, then this war was surely in favor of Pakistan. Pakistan has better fighter planes and tanks from USA.

My dear friends, There are no winner in any wars.

@SAEED PK "After having nukes, news will not be the same this time. Instead of war we should hove solution of Kashmir as soon as possible, my dear here and there" What will be different? Are you aware that India also has nukes making it quite impossible for Pakistan to use its nukes against India?

@Sunil Lakhanpal India escaped narrowly in Kargil, thanks to the rift developing between Gen Musharraf and Nawaz Sharif. And thanks to President Clinton's mediation which resulted in Pakistan agreeing to withdraw its forces and vacate the captured territory. As far India not opening other fronts Vajpai and his advisors were wise not to go for that option because Pakistan this time around was much stronger than in the past so that any Indian attempt to cross International border could result in devastating escalation.

@Zak For the plebiscite to take place, pakistan ALSO has to vacate its army from kashmir along with India. Do you see that happening?

Good analysis and judgement by vespa. Pakistani are always left to live in fool's paradise. From then till now.

I was in Kashmir during the period covered. Strange I did not see those posters and did not see or heard of the great operations carried out by Revolutionary Forces as mentioned here. The only thing was a great worry on every face and villagers coming forward to report landing of armed men from parachutes at various locations. It was the great cooperation of locals that helped elimination of huge number of intruders through land and air. If the locals had supported the intrusion the story would be different. It is nice to know through this publication as to what was happening in Pakistan and what was reported. Thanks Dawn.

Thank You all contributors. I thoroughly enjoyed it.

@That 70 It's true that Pakistan was in no position to continue the war any longer and cease fire was blessing in disguise.

@Afghan Maihan "The only thing that we learn from history is that we cannot learn from history" - Bernard Shaw.

Good analysis

YOUR COMMENT ALL these reports published here are true.All indians should listen that we kashmiries would repeat the same history inshallah as a lot of educated kashmiris are joining our freedom movement which will be lead by a hero like burhan of Tral.proud to be a kashmiri and respect to pakistan.

@einstein babar Both claims wishful, not facts.

OK...OK...OK... All the Indians are most decent, educated, realistic, intelligent, experienced, brave, and secular people.... And soon they will force their govt to accept that Kashmir belongs to Kashmiris just like Maharashtra belongs to Marathis, Tamil Nadu belongs to Tamils etc.... and out of respect for Kashmiris, India will soon hold a long pending plebiscite in Kashmir to decide of their future...

@Salman Khan ... here news are published before september 6.....after september 6...kinldy read out.. then you will know who is great

@Srikanth ....Yourstatement is well enough.. to explain who beat who.

@ehsan Incorrect. In 1948, the maharaja of kashmir lost kashmir, not India. Both India and Pak gained half each in 1948.

"All War is a symptom of Man's failure as a thinking animal "

Another article about Gibraltar in dawn after all these years.: http://www.dawn.com/news/1203708/gibraltar-grand-slam-and-war

@WaheedNoor ....Unfortunately most of the South Asians still have an inferiority complex and for any inspiration they look up to the Whitemen.

@Ramesh Sharma ....All these people who talk so carelessly about nuclear war, should be taken on a tour to Hiroshima & Nagasaki and meet the survivors of those horrendous events.

@Sulaiman well said

Very Nice! You people are very good at writing wonderful articles. All this is beyond truth and ground reality of that time.

@Gaurav Chopra u are right

We do not need to fight but take care of development and poors of both sides.

Now you know the truth that all these reports are internal consumption.

@einstein babar in your dreams

Dream on! And still on!

@Kumar Jealous I must say.

@Abdulla Hussain we are ready for another also if it impressed upon us, and more good thing is after every war, Pakistan financial position is declining.

@Rashid Totally agree with you from the Indian side. Lets set aside differences maintain status quo and see what progress 10 years of peace brings.

Why would it was named "Operation Gibraltar" that is amusing, they could have named it something local?

@Salman Khan Didn't you get the answers in 71?

In the hindsight how much news provided to people was really true??

What a glorious victory for Pakistan!

yes , Qadil because the report was written in Pakistan Actually the fact is just the reverse

@Sadhu that is the true angle

I request readers to Google 1965war Wikipedia, then go to the tabular data to see who is victorious and there is no reason to argue who lost how much so in Wikipedia page go to neutral experts data to see who lost how much..

@Zak Thanks for wise words for the welfare of India. You are a well wisher.

@Sajid Abbasi This is not history. It is wishful thinking.

@Salman Khan What happened in 1971 war? What happened to East Pakistan?!

@sonny afridi, You want Museum, save what we have now else that will be also lost

@Abdulla Hussain , Peace is not in the dictionary of states like us...forget it

As in 1965, so today, Pakistan continues to suffer from grandoise ambitions of a few at the cost of many. Pakistani populace is fed concoctions and plain simple falsehoods by state managed media. And the results are there for all to see. It has lost all the 4 wars, has been dismembered once, and today stands as a pariah in international comity of nations. Hope the new PM charts a new course of action.

@Sudhanshu Swami PERFECT statement

To all my pakistani friends posting here. Be proud of the men who lay down their lives in this war. But please dont be mislead by propaganda into believing something that did not happen. This is how the powerful control the masses. By propoganda. And yet, your men would have fought bravely on the front. As would our jawans and officers. Respecting them (and hopefully each other's soldiers too) is a noble thing. But without the propaganda that is pretty obvious in the nature of the coverage

@sana-1 This is what you are made to believe, reality is quite different.

How much of this is myth! How much of this is reality!

@ehsan so what you expect an army to do,fight with your strength.

@Q Adil yes, I guess you haven't read the news article of 1971 which was claiming Pakistani victory on 18th December 1971.