Pak-Russia talks on delivery of Su-35, Mi-35s underway: Russian Deputy FM
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NIZHYNY TAGIL: Pakistan and Russia are in talks about the delivery of Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets and previously agreed upon delivery of Mi-35M helicopters, Russian Deputy Foreign Minister (FM) Sergei Ryabkov said, Sputnik reported.
Earlier this year, a draft contract for the delivery of four Mi-35M 'Hind E' combat helicopters was sent to Pakistan from Russia, a source in the Russian military and technical cooperation was quoted by the Russian news agency TASS.
Increasing military cooperation between Islamabad and Moscow would not negatively impact Russia's ties with India, Ryabkov said, adding that Pak-Russia ties were improving in other sectors as well ─ including energy.
The Russian Deputy FM Ryabkov referred to Pakistan as Russia's closest partner and said, "I do not think that the contacts under discussion will cause jealousy on the part of any of the two sides."
The twin-engine Su-35 is a fourth generation multi-role combat aircraft which also incorporates technology from fifth generation jets, according to details available on the Sukhoi company's website. It is also said to be more agile as compared to previous models.
Read: Pakistan, Russia sign landmark defence cooperation agreement
Pakistan and Russia had signed a bilateral defence cooperation agreement aimed at strengthening military-to-military relations in November last year. The deal had to be followed by another ‘technical cooperation agreement’ to pave the way for sale of defence equipment to Pakistan.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:15pm
Bravo... Pakistan need to bolster its ‘defence and deterrence capability’... Delivery of SU-35 and Mi-35M will certainly enable us to counter emerging threat scenarios in the region...
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Sep 10, 2015 12:22pm
That's a good move, not to rely only one country especially for defence.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:23pm
s its most important for us to target our enemies like poverty , space technology and so on..!!!
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Sep 10, 2015 12:25pm
that would be great
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Sep 10, 2015 12:26pm
Good news!! At least some where our foreign policy is showing good signs!!!
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Sep 10, 2015 12:32pm
This is much more better and balanced strategy to ease the tension and increase the confidence in the region to handle Indian proxy threats
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Sep 10, 2015 12:33pm
Just googled and it is in top 5 of world's best fighter jets! Wow!
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Sep 10, 2015 12:33pm
Good news,
At least now Pakistan has understand that it should establish military the relationship with other countries except USA.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:39pm
Great News. this will help Pakistan a great deal.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:39pm
great induction; congrats PAF
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Sep 10, 2015 12:39pm
Its good sign for pak foreign policy . FYI, Russia badly need money that's y they selling it now. India already have these in her doctrine and working with Russia on other defence projects .
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Sep 10, 2015 12:42pm
beautiful aircraft...would love to see it flying in PAF colors!
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Sep 10, 2015 12:43pm
@Russia
Best of luck for the deal :-)
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Sep 10, 2015 12:43pm
Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets are the best aircraft in the world. They are also called Super Flankers. It would be a major shift of balance in Pakistan's way. US will do its utmost to dislodge the deal because of deterrence Sukhoi Su-35 fighter jets offer. Well done General Raheel Sharif, you are the flag bearer of Pakistan.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:44pm
Su-35 with Skills of a PAF fighter!!! Thats a deadly dual.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:45pm
Good shift in our foreign policy.Forge good relationship with Russia and other CIS countries.Balance/equilibrium must be the buzz word of our foreign policy.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:48pm
Build schools, hospitals, universities and centers to feed the poor. We do not need anymore weapons. We already have WMD.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:49pm
Great news. The su-35 is a very advanced plane that is also Russia's answer to american stealth planes. It itself is considered a stealth jet. it can outperform any american jet to date
http://planes.axlegeeks.com/compare/173-214/Lockheed-F-16-Fighting-Falcon-vs-Sukhoi-Su-35
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Sep 10, 2015 12:51pm
Grt move by my neighbours .... I remember USSR...
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Sep 10, 2015 12:51pm
Its a nice step from both countries to increase these types of agreements between them because these type of agreements play a better role to strength the ties and foreign policies between both countries.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:52pm
Sukhoi 30 or 30 mki??
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Sep 10, 2015 12:52pm
great achievement.. Moscow is better option then Washington DC..
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Sep 10, 2015 12:53pm
This makes absolutely no sense of having two types of Hi-tier aircrafts, the logistics and the training, all of that will be different and a constraint on resources of PAF budget. We already have a hi-mid tier of F-16s and JF-17s. Adding a twin engine fighter prone to poor service from Russians is no sense. This is just a diplomatic statement. If PAF's budget permits, they'd rather beef up the JF-17s.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:55pm
The Boeing F-15SE is capable of out maneuvering and evading enemy fighter jets such as the Russian SU-35 fighter jet as it has a digital fly by wire flight control system reducing the airframe weight and drag, giving this new F-15SE more range and speed.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:57pm
The good news keeps on coming and coming, great to see Russia is seeing Pak as a huge market for its exports. With already deals signed on Karachi-Lahore Pipeline, Helicopters, upgrade of Steel Mill and now this, great work by the teams working in the background.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:58pm
Question: When will we start making our own world class defence equipment since it has been 68 years since we have been independent?
Answer: When we stop wasting resources and energies of our military brass on projects like defence housing.
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Sep 10, 2015 12:58pm
Mi35 is perfect to eradicate terrorism on Afghanistan side. There is hardly an alternative.
Su35 is the perfect coastline defense due to its range, radar and weapons (dual engine is safety). It will replace all the mirages and be able to protect our naval assets and economic zone.
Both assets are needed to protect transit goods from and to china.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:02pm
Economic and defence cooperation between Russia and Pakistan was long overdue. Good to see both forming strong ties. Su 35 is premium russian fighter and would be great option for Pakistian to further reinforce PAF.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:03pm
Thankyou Russia!
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Sep 10, 2015 01:06pm
Excellent news. Su-35 along with already strong fleet of f-16 will form a very strong 1st line of defence for Pakistan. Add PAf's tactical superiority to the mix and you have an excellent combination.
Hope the deal goes through!
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Sep 10, 2015 01:08pm
Bravo! ...Our dream of closer ties with our great neighbors is finally coming to reality! Welcome to the warm waters Russia, we look forward to your friendship and to be your hosts! Athousand salutes to bothe our leaderships!
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Sep 10, 2015 01:09pm
@Imran Wajid I agree!
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Sep 10, 2015 01:12pm
su-35 is such an amazing machine. I would love love love to see this deal go forward and Pakistan acquiring su-35's!
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Sep 10, 2015 01:13pm
@GiantAsian India currently does not have SU-35s although they are a potential market for export for these planes.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:15pm
We must limit the list of our combat aircraft for ease of maintenance and training of air force pilots. Extensive variations in aircraft inventories would increase the chances of operational and maintenance errors due to varying regimes.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:17pm
So the cold war is turning the other way around. No ones is friends or enemy for ever. India and Pakistan must realize this rather than pumping billions of dollars into the pockets of these companies, resolve their respective issues and live happily ever after ...
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Sep 10, 2015 01:17pm
PAF has been long time in need of a high tech long range interdiction platform, a squadron or two of Sukhoi 35 would do.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:18pm
From Russia with Love! ;)
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Sep 10, 2015 01:19pm
i have seen defence experts in TV shows listing the problems in Sukois and Mig at that time only India was buying and now Pakistan is buying i am confused ???
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Sep 10, 2015 01:20pm
It seems that our priorities are not correctly aligned with the realities. We are nation who's 50% of the population lives under poverty line and the other half live like a royals. So as a nation, instead of addressing issues like poverty, education and eradication of terrorism we chose to buy expensive fighter jets to be fly recklessly on National Parades and took selfies and circulate it on social medial.
Long live Pakistan!
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Sep 10, 2015 01:21pm
Pakistan should gradually distance itself from the influence of USA. Relations with Russia and China should be further strengthened as USA is not a reliable partner.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:23pm
A good balanced approach.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:24pm
@Apache
And?
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Sep 10, 2015 01:34pm
The best thing about dealing with Russia is that there is a good chance of transfer of at least some technology. Whereas Americans and Western Europeans would never share their technology. Secondly Russian hardware is manifold cheaper than its US or Western European counterparts's equipment. Lastly strategic friends of Russians have never been left high and dry in international diplomacy or hardware support at times of crises. Not to say we say tata bye bye to the US. All I am saying here is that its good to spread your risk instead of putting in one basket. If UAE and Saudia can look toward Indians and India_USA strategic alliance is a reality, than we should also spread our bets. Improve relations with Iran, Russia etc while trying to maintain good relations with Saudia and GCC countries, Western Europeans and USA. Good work Nawaz Shareef, Sartaj Aziz, Maliha Lodhi and last but not least Raheel Shareef.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:41pm
Best of both worlds, Pakistan is keeping flexibility in its foreign relations to safe guard its national interests and this shift towards Russia is a great move given the fact that Russia is under Western sanctions. PAF will surely enjoy flying these jets. Cool design.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:44pm
Why Pakistan is not adopting arms making as an Industry, it is a profitable business. Lets start from simple and we can go for complex like we made JF 17. My core wish is to see Pakistan as arms making industry because we have all resources and extremely professional army.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:50pm
good news.pakistan can take its business to any where they choose not to more amirica.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:51pm
This is best news in a while. Pakistan in good firm friendship with 2 UN veto holders!
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Sep 10, 2015 01:51pm
good move.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:54pm
Pakistan is being favoured by China, Russia and U.S. for investment as well as arms.
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Sep 10, 2015 01:56pm
Now that is some news which will send shockwaves all across the globe. Imagine SU-35, F-16 block 52 and our own JF-17 flying in one formation, truly terrifying prospect for the enemies of Pakistan. PAF has always been a single engine jet airforce. This is a big leap from old thinking. We do need twin engine SU-35 not as a luxury but with rapid development of CPEC, we need long range jets which can protect our sea and trade lines deep into Arabian and Indian ocean.
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Sep 10, 2015 02:08pm
i have seen many defence experts listing down number of shortcomings in Russian Technology (sukoi and Mig) , when comparing PAF and iaf now Pakistan is buying i am confused ????
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Sep 10, 2015 02:11pm
Hope it will make pakistan develop and peaceful country with lots of happiness
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Sep 10, 2015 02:19pm
@Mashman For Pakistan to leave the quest for acquiring more lethal weapons, India must discontinue its warheads expansion. Subsequently, the two neighbouring countries should come to the table and draw a red line in terms of these deadly arms. Failing to comply with the danger line, political, economic and arms sanctions be imposed on any of the two countries violating the arms agreement.
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Sep 10, 2015 02:19pm
Su-35 wowww
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Sep 10, 2015 02:20pm
Our foreign policy has improved tremendously.
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Sep 10, 2015 02:29pm
Yet another achievement of General Raheel Shareef.
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Sep 10, 2015 02:44pm
Pak movie industry now must prepare Top Gun Shaheen movie. Take F-16, JF-17 and
Su for a ride up high in the skies.
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Sep 10, 2015 02:45pm
more kickbacks as Russia does not follow disclosure practise like the west...also India has these in spades so why buy the same....PAF what happened to all ur hype and billions of dollars wasted on JF 17
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Sep 10, 2015 02:48pm
Now India has started building weapons in India.So that is why Russia is running for other markets.I dont think this deal would go through.
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Sep 10, 2015 02:52pm
It's good to see Pakistan moving away from USA . Promoting indigenous technology as well as developing relations with China , Russia etc is a very good move !
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Sep 10, 2015 02:55pm
the News of Su-35 is too good to be true. this is Russia's top tier jet in the 4th generation planes not sure if it fits the PAF doctrine or not even if the sale is approved by Russian leadership which has a little chance given our past relations and Indian factor.
the Hind Mi-35 are a different case and are of less significance with respect to India and would be mainly used against Drug smugglers and insurgency
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Sep 10, 2015 02:58pm
Well done Pakistan Armed Forces!
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Sep 10, 2015 03:02pm
@Mashman Well, better Pakistan buys more such weapons!!!
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Sep 10, 2015 03:07pm
@GiantAsian Yea Russia is going to become rich by selling a few engines and 5 helicopters
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Sep 10, 2015 03:11pm
Very nice move.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:13pm
Now Our shaheens have better planes to fly than American built .... we should buy about 200 of these planes ... $85million each ... replace F16s
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Sep 10, 2015 03:13pm
If materialises, its a good move as Pakistan long term strategic alliance lies in the region with China and Russia!
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Sep 10, 2015 03:28pm
Why don't you import agricultural equipment, steel manufacturing equipment and oil exploration equipment from Russia. These planes will be junk in 10 years time. There is no chance of war? so why are we purchasing these toys?. Gunship helicopters were more useful as they engage terrorists. This plane is useless.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:28pm
Diversification of defense preparation is a good move.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:31pm
@GiantAsian
It is not money or helicopters which are important but change in Pak-Russia relations.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:32pm
@Mashman. No country in the world needs weapons under normal conditions. When your neighbor, threatens you on regular basis, violate your line of control, fire at your check point & bordering villages so the need to have in place a fearable military might becomes essential as a responsible deterrence.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:34pm
It is Indian's policy to make Pakistan economically weaker. We are manitaining a huge army and nuclear weapons which are highly expensive to maintain. See the example of USSR. It could not afford to survive. India is a big country. She can maintain big army for a longer duration than us. By increasing expense on nuclear weapons, we are going into the trap of India.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:41pm
Foreign policy is with Raheel Shaeef NOT with NS.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:41pm
This deal will certainly shatter the nerves of Indian military establishment. Su-35 in PAF means the erosion of technological edge that IAF had in certain combat areas of aerial warfare. The edge that IAF had will no longer pose a threat for PAF.
This seems to be the success of Pakistan's foreign policy and the failure of its counterpart.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:43pm
@abdul Don't worry about expenditure. We have some great friends who had been paying for the military gadgets we have purchased in the past. And this is a two way deal. They also get military advisers, training, and other benefits in return from Pakistan. I am quite sure, this time these very same friendly countries will share the financial burden of this deal as well.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:44pm
Now what India will do?
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Sep 10, 2015 03:45pm
In a decade before 1965, both Russia and US sold weapons to these stupid countries Pakistan and India. Now they are playing the same again. Waiting for a short combat between them in near future.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:56pm
Big problem for Chinese defense industries . Russian will change their market as make in India is arising. Good Russian will provide 4the generation plane to Pakistan & 5the generation plane technology to India . win win situtation for both. Pakistan dependence on Chinese defense equipment will reduce a little bit if deal happens . let see...
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Sep 10, 2015 03:59pm
As a good neighbour we (Indians) too want as powerful airforce for Pakistan.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:12pm
Pakistan is entering in new and modern era rapidly.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:15pm
Great News
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Sep 10, 2015 04:16pm
What happened to Chinese jet fighters?
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Sep 10, 2015 04:17pm
@INDIAN LOVE what a silly comment. It is actually China which acted as a bridge between Pakistan and Russia recent thaw in relations. Its about regional connectivity and I am afraid India has choosen allies far away from this region and now left behind.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:21pm
Diplomatic ties with Israel should be started too!
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Sep 10, 2015 04:25pm
Congratulations to Pakistan.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:28pm
Great, very good. Lets do an arms race shall we ? For every plane you buy, we shall buy one. Shall we start with a hundred planes ?
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Sep 10, 2015 04:36pm
Modi will stop this deal. At least his machinery will try.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:38pm
Good to see pak shifting its focus from america towards russia
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Sep 10, 2015 04:40pm
Now Pakistan is recognizing the Russian Tech. India was wise to be using Russian machines for quite a long.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:42pm
China is the new engine in Asia and Russia is a close partner while Pakistan has strategic deep relation with China. No wonder Russia and Pakisan are coming together while India's new partner is on the other side of the globe.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:44pm
Does everyone know that it costs money to buy these expensive planes. USA used to give us AID and soft loans and used to sell us its weapons and we had to use these loans and AID money to pay them back. Ironic right?
I take it Russia will also be doing the same. Otherwise last time I checked we still are a poor country unable to feed our millions.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:46pm
@Syed Hassan Naqvi Raheel Shareef as army chief has done tremendous good to the country - in fact he is the only general who has rendered impeccable and entirely selfless service to the nation. But we must not forget the fact that he is not the executive of the state. In parliamentary democracy,It isthe prime minister who is the chief executive and army chief like others serves under PM. That should bring pride to us as a democracy that is a fledgling today but growing to a grand scale Inshallah.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:51pm
This is good news but not great news! Great news will be result oriented talks with India where at the end the two countries come out as true friends and partners in creating enduring peace in the region.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:52pm
Great going.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:03pm
It seems like Russians have forgotten the past and want friendly relations with Pakistan. If we are this much close to the Russians then we are on our way to becoming permanent member of SCO as China already supports Pakistan almost on every platform.
Having said that, let's not forget that we already a very substantial defense arsenal. What we need to focus on is education, energy, health, poverty e.t.c.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:09pm
If Russia is willing to sell Su-35 to Pakistan then Pakistan must grab this opportunity and don't let funds become an issue in purchase of the same, because purchase of the same will bring some parity in air power in South Asia, which is necessity for the region.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:12pm
US and Russia making money by keeping india and pak on loggerheads. People need to change this. Live and let live
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Sep 10, 2015 05:22pm
Wow SU-35 would be a big thing for Pakistan as it matches US Raptor in all capabilities and some say it even exceeds in performance...I hope this deal goes as planned..
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Sep 10, 2015 05:25pm
@Ghaznavi That will continue to be a dream as long as RAW is busy funding terrorism and agents in Pakistan and Delhi is unwilling to even discuss Kashmir, not minding solving it.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:35pm
India will not let the deal materialize. The report from the forgeign office will be; due to lack of funds we are looking at other options.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:36pm
Pakistan is atomic power and militarily quite strong. Now our emphasis should be on financial strengthing of the country.
What is required to be financially sound is: (1) Those who are not paying taxes should pay tax esp black money holders and (2) Those Pakistanis who have taken money out of country and / or having businesses / properties outside Pakistan should start bringing back the same for the betterment of the country, if they are sincere to the country. Only tall claims for the country will not work.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:38pm
just a thought - till now, Pakistanis used to call each and every Russian machine a "junk". Simply because India was buying them. But now, I guess, the "junk" would become "the best". :)
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Sep 10, 2015 05:47pm
@Confused citizen yeah I have heard a lot of bad things about AK-47 as well and we all know its a great more powerful and more reliable weapon than the trash US has.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:53pm
An excellentt selection of our Armes Forces Technocrats. Historically toppers.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:56pm
Just a note. This has nothing to do with our foreign office. This level of cooperation is happening after Gen. Raheel's visit to Russia last year in October. All the credit goes to It is definitely not due to our highly competent (punt intended) foreign minister, Nawaz Shareef.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:59pm
@Mashman
Never failed to notice, whenever there is an anti Pakistan comment by our internal enemies who live off Pakistan, the recommendations are very high. I wonder who recommends :)
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Sep 10, 2015 06:02pm
Good to have friendship with as many countries as possible but no more weapon please. Instead, we should have signed a deal of cooperation in science, technology and research.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:03pm
@Osama Zulfiqar Ahmad PAF has always operated (quite successfully) multi-technology and multi-origin aircraft simultaneously, including Chinese Mig-19s and 21s, various versions of French Mirage, American F-104 Starfighter and F-86 Sabres in the 50s, 60s and 70s and of course F-16s and JF-17s recently.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:03pm
Russia should sell it at a very high price. .so that they can make up for the economic losses due to sanctions. .
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Sep 10, 2015 06:03pm
@Farooq
Try to get F-15s from USA. Israel will eat USA up alive. They would not even allow Saudi Arabia to get newer versions of F-15. Check your facts before commenting.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:08pm
It took Pakistan 69 years to resolve the US love delusion.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:11pm
@Somnath Bhowmick yes we had our doubts, but sukhoi 35s r one of the top ten jets besides the f-16s we hav had
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Sep 10, 2015 06:29pm
Su-35's are expensive to operate and maintain. PAF's strategy has centered around single engine aircraft, I am not sure how much truth there is to this story.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:30pm
Great. Pakistan must have good relations with all countries. Now we can upgrade JF-17 Thunder's engine which is Russian, though the aircraft is China-Pakistan joint production. China and Russia have very close military cooperation.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:47pm
This is a good move. Though on the face it appears to be a good military move, it actually is a great political move.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:55pm
@M.Saeed Actually the number of the types of aircraft is going to be coming down anyway through attrition as a result of aging of the fleet, i.e. the Mirages and the older Chinese F6s and F7s.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:02pm
We should assemble or co produce these planes in Pakistan with Russia . Pakistan happen to be in the same region as Russia and climate changes in the region are affecting both the countries. We can cooperate with Russian in many fields of science, agricultural and medicine. This is a good start.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:07pm
best of luck Pakistan
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Sep 10, 2015 07:18pm
@Khwarezmi "That will continue to be a dream as long as RAW is busy funding terrorism and agents in Pakistan and Delhi is unwilling to even discuss Kashmir, not minding solving it."
Very true, the onus of peace and end to arms race lies with India. Being a bigger country it must show flexibility and some heart. The arms suppliers and the other stakeholder in keeping the two nations apart will continue to create obstacles but if (a very big if) India show maturity then the dream can come true. We can live in peace as good neighbors.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:34pm
SU35 was offered to India under MMRDA contract but it doesn't qualify technical bid hence India opt for dissault rafale which is half a generation ahead of SU35
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Sep 10, 2015 07:38pm
This good move for procurement of modern fighter jets form Russia to strengthen air defence.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:42pm
Pakistan needs to maintain regional power equality, may be unwillingly due to Indian.Equality exit the possibility of war between these two neighbors of south Asia.India's defense budget and unchecked nuclear program upsetting regional peace and stability.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:47pm
Pakistan should not be buying these off the shelf, they should be locally assembled with a transfer of technology agreement under licence. The Russians are desperate for exports, I'm not sure if they will be so ready to share this technology with Pakistan yet. Time will tell.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:49pm
Most of the global conflict of the past 50-100 years can be traced to the hit and cold wars of US Russia and China. At the core is capitalism vs communism. While both capitalism and communism has entered grey area the proponents of these ideologies now do not fight directly rather fight using proxies they being exhibited in Russian invasion of Afghanistan, Vietnam and presently Syria.
Proxy wars are fought as show of one upmanship and in the bargain places pressure on poor nations to take sides. Side taking is through heavy defence procurement at the cost of basic essentials.
Sadly poor nations have been sucked into this vortex and an act of misplaced priority is worn on sleeve to be displayed as pride.
The market for these masters only seem to be getting bigger. Most weapon manufacturing nations have been blessed with abundant natural wealth while its buyers have none and give whatever of what they toil for a sense of threat partly imagined and ratified by western think tanks.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:50pm
GREAT NEWS.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:56pm
Pakistan would need to balance its relations with the West and China/Russia block. Should not commit the same mistake of the past by playing in the hands of a single super power.
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Sep 10, 2015 08:00pm
Su-35 are great fighter jets but we used to buy the best American Fighter Jets once upon a time. The F-86 and F-16 were the F-22s and F-35s of previous times.
More than that, we need secularism and a welfare state.
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Sep 10, 2015 08:20pm
Diversifying one's supply chain is a good strategy, however, when it comes to defence equipment limiting it in order to manage training, maintenance and service is essential. Having US, France and now Russia as suppliers is likely to be not efficient. We should consider getting rid of the Mirages. These could be sold to other countries with service contracts for our engineering staff. On the diplomatic front Pakistan needs to work with its neighbors to reduce tensions. There should be no tolerance of militant groups creating cross border conflict on any front. This only indicates a loss of control over our defence capabilities.
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Sep 10, 2015 08:28pm
The strength of a country is more dependent on its economy than having the latest millitary equipment. The economy depends on the quality of its educational system, it's infrastructure, good governance and the quality of its civil society. In all of the above Pakistan is weak. It is by all international indices at near bottom of countries in almost every thing. The best millitary hardware is not going to change that.
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Sep 10, 2015 08:28pm
Few month back, we Pakistanis were criticizing these SU-35 & MI-35. What happened now. Going crazy since, maybe we will get them for free?
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Sep 10, 2015 08:37pm
Don't buy Russian jets buy American technology.
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Sep 10, 2015 08:37pm
no one concerned about poverty now? strange!
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Sep 10, 2015 08:38pm
American Jets are fine good in Quality.
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Sep 10, 2015 08:47pm
Don't understand why Pak is moving into Russian platforms - absolutely makes no technical sense. Pak has been using US platform since its birth and its air defence resources - technical support, skills, manpower, production units everything is aligned accordingly. Moving into a completely different platform will offset the competency base built over the years to naught ! However it's amazing to see how Pak is moving into Russian camp and India into NATO camp - it again proves nothing is permanent, neither friends nor foes...
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Sep 10, 2015 08:55pm
Pakistan's military expenditure as % of GDP is close to 4% which is one of the highest in the world and its education expenditure as % of GDP is less than 2% which is one of the lowest in the world. If I was a Pakistani, I would not exactly be rejoicing at this news as I see many Pakistani friends are.
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Sep 10, 2015 08:58pm
This is also good gor russia, except for the money pak pilots known as one of the best will bring out capacity beoyned normal best.
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Sep 10, 2015 09:02pm
Pakistan must enhance its defence capabilities through imports but should also continue to develop local resources.
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Sep 10, 2015 09:05pm
@Sky warrior Perhaps you have no idea that Pakistan knows very well how to use and maintain Russian equipment and weaponry. Most of the Chinese weapons systems we use are basically based on Russian technology. Our pilots are using Russian jet engines assembled in our JF-17 Thunder jets. The tank technology that we have is all based on Russian systems. We use variants of AK-47 in our army. We have been using Russian helicopters for decades. The largest fleet of helicopters in Pakistan Army Aviation is composed of Russian Mi-17 Helicopters. Hence, we can say that Pakistan has a very long experience of using both Western and Russia based military equipment.
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Sep 10, 2015 09:06pm
If pakistan gets Su 35 then it's going to be a woory for us. Su 35 will make Pakistan air force to stand up against IAF's upgraded Su 30 MKI. That's not good for us. I think India will furhter move towards West. Russia will loose us.
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Sep 10, 2015 09:07pm
If we buy 36 planes at $50 million a pop then it would cost around $4 billion just the purchase price. Then the infrastructure and support and operating costs additional. Wake up every body
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Sep 10, 2015 09:15pm
these are impressive planes would'nt hurt to have a squadron of them
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Sep 10, 2015 09:16pm
It doesn't mention how many planes they will buy.
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Sep 10, 2015 09:18pm
SU-35 is outdated 1980's technology and has failed to attract any potential buyers in the international market.
Pakistan should put the money towards education and health for it citizens. We don't need more weapons.
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Sep 10, 2015 09:43pm
There are So many experts commenting that it is mind boggling!!! Sharif and Moodi will come and go but Pakistan and India will always be neighbors. It is in PIR interest to solve after problems and move forward. Our people need this, but of course that does not for exciting news!
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Sep 10, 2015 10:04pm
Always good to have a diverse supply base and interaction with other world players.
It is good that Pakistan Russia relationship is moving forward in a good way.
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Sep 10, 2015 10:19pm
Great move. Pakistan needs to broaden its defence supplies. Similarly it needs to broaden its base of friendly countries. Remember: one of India's goals is to isolate Pakistan internationally.
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Sep 10, 2015 10:27pm
Not really a big fan of the Su-35 but we could use a couple to practice since the neighbour to the east has it. I would instead focus on increasing our helicopter force.
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Sep 10, 2015 11:05pm
Musharraf's policies paying off. Sukhoi has always been a very advanced fighter jet and is cheaper than its European or American competitors.
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Sep 10, 2015 11:30pm
Interesting turn of events, i hope russia can play a productive role in south asia's politics. being a freind of india and maybe a future partner for pakistan they can surely inject influence on both for future peace? Who knows.
On another note the US will offer pakistan a counter offer to negate russian influence, would be interesting too know what that could be.......F35?... Maybe wishfull thinking.
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Sep 10, 2015 11:30pm
hmmm....seems like Russia is aware of the dirty game India is playing in Afghanistan.
If India doesnt purchase military equipment from Russia....India isnt in the interest of Russia at all....India is working on the western agenda to destable the muslims of south asia....Afghanistan and Pakistan....and this is not in the interest of Russia....Pakistan has killed the entire terror army created by India and Afghanistan but seems like USA is still not in a mood to sell latest F-16's.....
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Sep 10, 2015 11:32pm
Russia,China,Pakistan and Iran should work closely and together to counter all threats....WE should be e one because one country India which sponsors its state terrorism is continuously sponsoring its terrorism in Afghanistan.
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Sep 10, 2015 11:47pm
great - it is fantastic flying machine
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Sep 11, 2015 12:11am
@abdul Exactly you sir are a deep thinker. ;)
Arms race is what India wants to bankrupt PK and avoid it to develop.
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Sep 11, 2015 12:34am
" As an air defence analyst, I am fully aware that the Pakistan Air Force ranks today as one of the best in the world and that the PAF combat commanders school (CCS) in Sargoda has been ranked as the best GCI/pilot and fighter tactics and weapons school in the world. As one senior U.S. defence analyst commented to me in 1997. " it leaves Topgun(the US Naval Air Station in Miramar, ( California) far behind". Sergey Vekhov, Russian Aviation expert.
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Sep 11, 2015 12:50am
Lets feed the poor first and then educate them and then these toys at home.
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Sep 11, 2015 01:03am
Why not buy from China ?
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Sep 11, 2015 01:32am
Cooperation with Ruaasia is OK but don't forget India has long relation with Russia since the time of JLNehru. Why do we need Russian jet fighter when locally produced Jet fighter as proclaimed is as good as any fighter ?
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Sep 11, 2015 01:45am
Am surprise at such arrogant and stupid comments. Pakistan is going backwards as far as EDUCATION, STANDARD OF LIVING is concerned. The people are still living in the DARK AGE. Instead of spending millions of dollars on defence. Use the same money in upgrading the education system/ standard living of a common man.
This will only put PAKISTAN more into debt.
Get up all you ARROGANT SOBS
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Sep 11, 2015 02:25am
Great
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Sep 11, 2015 02:53am
@Redz F35, do you know it costs over 220 million U.S. Dollars.
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Sep 11, 2015 04:18am
Way to go. Those SU-35 jets are state-of-the-art, and one of the best available at the moment. If they can get this deal done, it would be a great step forward for Pakistan technologically and a strategic boost in the relations of the two countries.
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Sep 11, 2015 04:41am
I don't think this deal is going to happen. Russia has made overtures to Pakistan in the past as a ploy to pressure India to buy more. The Su-35 is as front line as it gets in Russian military technology; I don't see why they are suddenly open to selling to Pakistan.
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Sep 11, 2015 04:54am
Indian SU-30 MKI are fitted with western avionics. They took all Russia Radars out and bought European stuff so Pakistan can get the aircraft but it wont provide them any advantage over India SUs.
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Sep 11, 2015 05:23am
well all these time we were telling russian equipment are junk , india equipment are junk migs are falling from skies etc and now we want russian equipment , remember these Russian equipment are highly unreliable
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Sep 11, 2015 05:45am
@Taimoor Khan - Add China 5th generation fighter jet J-31 in the list. Deal will be done soon with China. PAF skills + Latest technology jet fighters make Deadly combo!
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Sep 11, 2015 08:08am
Si 30 mki is way ahead of this aircraft .though this aircraft is awesome .it will take Pakistan ahead .
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Sep 11, 2015 08:49am
@Karachi Wala true
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Sep 11, 2015 08:52am
@Ahmed USA
The Russian planes will definitely be better than the second class planes Pakistan is getting from China
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Sep 11, 2015 10:06am
@GiantAsian "Russia badly needs money" and Pakistan money to spare?
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Sep 11, 2015 10:46am
@TARIQ SHAHID India will concentrate on poverty eradication.
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Sep 11, 2015 12:33pm
That's a great move! Pakistan needs to work overwhelmingly with more courageous foreign policy toward Russia from modest to stronger bilateral defense ties.Time has come to enhance people to people contacts for speedy strengthening of bilateral relation
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Sep 11, 2015 02:00pm
40mn$ a piece, it's think too expensive for pakistan.
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Sep 11, 2015 02:06pm
@RJ
If India does not already have su35 then this news might be a hint and might well motivate India to cough up some money to buy the same even before any deal is through with Pakistan. In any case whether or not we buy this toy the fact that Russia and Pakistan, previously in different camps, are now re-calibrating their relations with each other is reassuring. Pakistan should certainly try for transfer of other important technologies which India did thanks to the opportunity provided by Cold War years.
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Sep 11, 2015 02:11pm
@RJ
If Indians want we can probably Liscence produce su35 and export them to India!
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Sep 11, 2015 02:15pm
@Karachi Wala
Agree but it will also help if we can make our people understand the importance of population control.
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Sep 11, 2015 02:32pm
@abdul
You may be right but nations have to pay a price for dignified survival. All we need to do is to enhance our economy alongside.
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Sep 11, 2015 02:44pm
@Somnath Bhowmick
You got it man!
In Pak hands its performance will multiply because of our superior pilots.
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Sep 11, 2015 04:47pm
Pakistan should buy at least 200 of su-35 super flankers from russia just to offset over dependency on American and chinese arms
This will also enable pakistan of a strong reliable airforce against india which is backed by USA in disguise
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Sep 11, 2015 09:32pm
That's very good news. I can see plenty of Indians crying across different print & electronic mediums and spilling their usual filth out. I wonder they don't even feel shame. Good work Pak. It's time to go big.
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Sep 12, 2015 08:07am
@MICHAEL ROSS you are so right. i wish more people understood
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Sep 12, 2015 12:24pm
@M.Saeed Not a chance! Standardization is one thing and specialist machinery for specific jobs and roles is another!
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Sep 12, 2015 12:38pm
Su-35 is an excellent twin engine multi role fighter. Su-35 has shown its capabilities at USAF Red Flag exercises in Nevada. Su-35's had only two shortcomings, susceptibility to FOD Foreign Object Damage from runway debris, as Russian engines are vulnerable in this regard, and poor battle-space integration in the hands of some air forces resulting in own-kills as pilots were unable to verify friendlies in time. PAF pilots do not like the smoke trails from Russian engines under military power as they give away warplane positions. PAF has the technological skills to resolve the runway debris, battle-space integration and smoke trail issues. The difference between the Su-35 and the F-22/F-15/F-35 trio comes down to turnaround time during sorties which depends heavily on competent ground crews.
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Sep 12, 2015 02:49pm
@mustafa What disclosure policy??? You have no clue of military purchases!
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Sep 12, 2015 04:22pm
Great news, we however should make sure we have enough technology transfer if not in joint manufacture to fix and maintain these planes with spare parts in case of sanctions - you never know with the big powers...
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Sep 12, 2015 04:33pm
@That 70 Pakistan makes all its conventional weapons and export to more than 78 countries including some parts use b stelth F14 fighter jets for U S A airforce.
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Sep 12, 2015 04:44pm
@Mekal Faruki thanks for the info.
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Sep 12, 2015 04:47pm
@Osama Zulfiqar Ahmad PAF pilots learned flying Russian fighter planes in a few days during 1971 Israeli and Arab wars. Then they went on to shoot 4 Isreali mirages and phantom F-104s. And you were saying.......?
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Sep 12, 2015 07:11pm
@Usman
It's called business. Straight and simple.
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Sep 12, 2015 09:29pm
In my opinion the reason Pak would be interested in this extremely capable and expensive (to Pak) aircraft lies several hundred miles to the West of Karachi--the port of Gwadar. I believe Pak has been implored by China to up the defensive capabilities against blockades and/or even hostile action against the port. Pak is interested in the long range of this aircraft and maritime operations. As the Mirage fleet is almost at the end of its lifespan, Pak needs a replacement. I wouldn't be surprised if China is helping, financially, in the purchase of this aircraft as the price-tag of $40-65 mil is much higher than what PAF is used to paying.
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Sep 12, 2015 11:02pm
I guess Pakistan is just interested in su-35 but in reality pakistan will buy J-10 from china as it is a substitute for latest f-16's...as Usa is still not in a mood to give new F-16's.
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Sep 13, 2015 12:35am
@sami could be, but Pakistan is now a fast rising regional power and with that comes responsibility, to keep the skies over its land and over the Asian ocean , clear of mischief makers and wannabes in the region.
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