No talks with India without Kashmir issue on agenda: FO
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ISLAMABAD: Pakistan on Thursday clarified its stance for talks with India saying there would be no talks with India without the 'all important Kashmir Issue’ included in the agenda.
"Pakistan will also not accept any pre-conditions for talks with India," Foreign Office spokesman Syed Qazi Khalilullah said during a weekly news briefing held in Islamabad today.
The spokesman added that there is no proposal under consideration for a meeting between National Security Advisers of India and Pakistan on the sidelines of UN General Assembly meeting.
According to UN website The 70th Regular Session of the UN General Assembly (UNGA 70) is scheduled to open at UN Headquarters on Tuesday, September 15, 2015.
The General Debate of the 70th Session of the UNGA will take place from September 28 to October 6.
Security adviser level talks between India and Pakistan, scheduled for August 23 and 24, were canceled as both nations reached a deadlock over Pakistan's insistence to hold a meeting with Kashmiri Hurriyat leaders in New Delhi on August 23 despite India’s ‘advice’ to the contrary.
Pakistan on August 22 said that it had come to the conclusion that the proposed National Security Adviser (NSA) level talks between Pakistan and India would not serve any purpose if conducted on the basis of the two conditions laid down by Indian Foreign Minister Sushma Sawaraj.
The announcement comes hours before NSA Sartaj Aziz was to leave for India on August 23.
The Indian foreign minister had earlier said in a presser that India had made clear on August 18 that the scheduled meeting between national security advisers will only discuss issues related to terrorism.
"No other topic will come under discussion," she said, adding that all outstanding issues including Kashmir are part of the composite dialogue between the two countries which had not yet resumed.
Sawaraj had also said India did not recognise a third party in talks with Pakistan, referring to Pakistan's invitation to Hurriyat leaders for a meeting in Delhi.
Also read: NSA level talks cancelled over Indian conditions
Ball in Afghan court over ISI-NDS deal
Answering a question about agreement between Pakistan’s premier intelligence agency Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) and the Afghan intelligence outfit National Directorate of Security (NDS), Khaliullah said that it is up to the Afghan government to decide how to proceed on with the vital agreement signed for security cooperation between Pakistan and Afghanistan.
Earlier in May this year, the two intelligence agencies had signed an accord for cooperation, aimed at bolstering fight against terrorism.
Read: ISI, Afghan intelligence in landmark deal
Under the agreement, the two intelligence agencies would cooperate in counter-terrorism operations. An essential element of the accord is a provision for joint probe of the terrorism suspects. The ISI would also equip the NDS and train its personnel.
Talking about the anti-terror operation within the country, Khalilullah maintained that Pakistan has taken decisive action against all terror groups in North Waziristan without discrimination while also downplaying rumours of Islamic State's presence on Pakistani soil.
"There are no foot prints of IS in Pakistan however Pakistani security agencies have taken all measures to meet any possible threat from the terrorist group", said the spokesman.
Also read: Pakistan Informs US of its stance on NSA level talks
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Sep 10, 2015 03:37pm
Whos expecting you for talks.... Either talk with Elected Govt of India or no talks at all... we can continue with the same situation... question is can Pak continue the same situation...??
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Sep 10, 2015 03:43pm
Okay. Have a good life.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:43pm
Kashmir Kashmir Kashmir Kashmir Kashmir Kashmir to much noise
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Sep 10, 2015 03:46pm
Let's stop all this drama. Let's just say that for next 20 years, India and Pakistan will have very limited relationship.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:47pm
Good….because India is already not interested in talk, so India will keep setting pre conditions, and pak will keep refusing talk with any condition, thus there will be no talk…hence India get what it actually wanted
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Sep 10, 2015 03:52pm
Claims on territory aside, even on purely humanitarian grounds, Kashmiris need to be heard.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:54pm
Sir, Please also clarify if you wants to talks 'Kashmir' with India or with Hurriyat leaders?
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Sep 10, 2015 03:55pm
Why don't we say so during the talks and just walk-out?
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Sep 10, 2015 03:57pm
Pakistan should not talk to India unless she resolves Kashmir at her own.
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Sep 10, 2015 03:59pm
If Pakistan is serious about the Kashmir issue, Then why they insists on talking with separatists..?? No country where government is elected will tolerate such things.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:00pm
If Pakistan is serious why it let use non state actors to use its soil against India..?
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Sep 10, 2015 04:06pm
Fine. We will not talk to you :)
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Sep 10, 2015 04:07pm
I don't think India and Pakistan can ever resolve their issues through talks even though there are no other option available. Pakistan want the whole of Kashmir and India will not give an inch of land. So where is the solution? What do you expect from talks? India can survive with the status quo. However Pakistan will continue in a pathetic path trying resolve the issue or trying to push the Indian government to talk through the so called "Moral support" .
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Sep 10, 2015 04:07pm
That is the way forward from now on. Kashmir is the mother of all issues between Pakistan and India and without Kashmir on agenda, its simply a non starter. India non cooperation in this regard will keep putting it under more isolation in world community. Things have changed, mood has changed, world has moved on, its about time India realize this, status quo is no longer an option.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:10pm
I don't know why Kashmiries separatists limit themselves in Kashmir, when they have whole India to work, live and settle down:-(
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Sep 10, 2015 04:12pm
No talks with India without Kashmir No cricket with India without Kashmir
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Sep 10, 2015 04:15pm
In Actual no one want to talk. SO please don't waster the time.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:20pm
@Jeff question is can india keep occupying kashmir and freedom fighters taking their toll on indian army. Freedom movements are long and deathly but occupations never last.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:22pm
@Taimoor Khan : world has moved on, Pakistan needs to move on too...........status quo is only viable solution. Indian Muslims will the one who will fight most for it. any change will exponentially weaken their position and we know it
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Sep 10, 2015 04:23pm
No Talks !!! No Problem...!!! Less Drama, Less Media Coverage.....
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Sep 10, 2015 04:23pm
It is up to you sir, no countrymen will allow their country to be split on the basis of religion, however it already happened in 1947.
Sir you have a part of Kashmir you please see how much you have done for them, develop that, and we have a part of Kashmir we will develop that along with whole of India - I am offering a solution
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Sep 10, 2015 04:25pm
It's dawning on India slowly, that Pakistan is Growing regional power, and India has to now deal with it as a co regional power. In the end, India will realise, that it is better to sort kashmir, befriend the co regional power pakistan and let trade flourish due to regional harmony.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:25pm
@Jeff : Your question is enough of its answer!
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Sep 10, 2015 04:27pm
Pak wants to put pre-condition that, it will talk to Hurriyat before any talks. But india should not put condition that, it should not meer Hurriyat. How can this be one sided. India is always ready to talk Kashmir but now at pak;s precondition like this. By the way, India has got elected represenatives for J&K, hurriyat is not one among them. So india has a point that, if Pakistan wants to talk it can talk to PDP, BJP, NC, Congress etc. But not Hurriyat because, they are not representative of J&K. Just because, hurriyat supports merger with Pakistan does not give pak any authority to decide and impose hurriyat on india. If it wants it can talk silently without making it public.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:31pm
Kashmir is the issue. Settle Kashmir issue and be our friends!
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Sep 10, 2015 04:31pm
@Taimoor Khan "things have changed, mood has changed, world has moved on" - exactly!!!! Only Pakistan is still stuck on the "Kashmir" record .... wisen up!!
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Sep 10, 2015 04:32pm
Agree. No talks...which actually works for India better.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:35pm
Just wasting time
Its been dragging and dragging pak leaders
Please talk other than war please we are tired
Using war tone will never solve your internal problem
KASHMIR WAR KASHMIR WAR
PLEAESE STOP
TALK PEACE
WE ARE BROTHERS..
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Sep 10, 2015 04:37pm
@Jeff, It is not Pakistan but India has to live with the current rebellion in occupied Kashmir. Remember it is costing Indians money and lives denying rights to Kashmiris.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:40pm
@Taimoor Khan so you are saying India is more isolated than Pakistan in the international community?
When USA came to Pakistan, there was no mention of Kashmir. UN told you multiple times, Kashmir is bilateral issue. Bilateral means between only 2 parties.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:41pm
@raja hindustani, Sir please it is not rocket science to know that Pakistan and India have to talk about Kashmir and remember Kashmiris live there. So you cannot ignore that they have a stake in this. They are the ones living under brutal and illegal
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Sep 10, 2015 04:44pm
Lets see how long the Indian economy can sustain huge spending incurring on the maintenance of huge army in the occupied territory. Why don,t they learn that it is 21 st century and they can,t getaway with undemocratic stance by continuity of illegal occupation of Kashmir? They need to understand that by giving freedom to Kashmiris they can cut down their defence expenditures manifold and the money can be utilized for the improvement of living standard of their people.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:49pm
Indians are so smart. We keep saying no talks with India without Kashmir. So all they have to do to avoid talks is to say "No Kashmir in talks". And then we stop talking, while the world blames us. They do not want talks, and maintain status quo. We give them a nice excuse to do so. Wow! What leaders we have.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:52pm
@Taimoor Khan Wrong calculations bro...its Pakistan... not India is in isolation, Indians have expended their reach in all the countries and world know how important and talented Indian are... thus they know us better then you guys...
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Sep 10, 2015 04:53pm
@BA Same goes for Pakistan bro....we have farthest better Economy then you have.
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Sep 10, 2015 04:58pm
There is nothing to talk about except Kashmir and terrorism with India.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:04pm
The comments are the same from across the border whether we talk about Kashmir or Palestine. There is a reason why India and Israel are "close" friends. They both are occupying forces but try to fool the world by giving a different twist to their occupation. The thing about human struggle s that when it is just, it never ends.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:06pm
How about talks with open agenda.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:07pm
Sir, you people are keep on saying the same word kashmir for 100 times in a day and India is busy with the upcoming elections in Bihar. No body is caring about kashmir. please move on from this and strive for peace instead making the people bore on the same topic. In India people are enjoying with their families and friends, movies and so on. I suggest you also leave that stuff and enjoy with your families.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:16pm
@John : Oh what was that, TAPI, the gas pipe dream , running from Central Asia via Pak to feed Indian needs; , and the issue India likes connectivity to Afg, by land and onwards to Central Asia. Seem either India govt, don't ever learn or live in Alice in Wonderland , on other hand, Kashgar-China to Gwadar -Pak, feasibility, plan, are under, to connect by high speed train, those who don't know, I already seen on Chinese TV, right after, Gwadar port handover, plan to run train from K-G. And to rub salt on wound, from Urumqi to Astana - their is train service already, get the picture, if Pak wants, it's goods can reach Central Asia via China, by passing Afg. Ops India can use Charbahar, than Afg. To Central Asia, but what about those die hard Taliban, IDE, road bandits, Robin Hood, ransom, Afg is rife with such, can Indian business, survive such slaughter , and still profitable, time will tell.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:20pm
@Zak and BA....India has progressed well without pak, and continue to progress well without pak...
just like South Korea progressed well without North Korea
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Sep 10, 2015 05:20pm
@M. Siddique : Bro, I am not denying the fact that kashmiri are stakeholders and we have elected govt in jammu & Kashmir who are real representative of people of J&K. Hurriyat leaders are not real representative; infact only handful people of Kashmir valley supports them; and they are not exists in other 2 part of J&K - Jammu & Ladhak.
(FYI, J&K state (Indian held) has 3 part- Jammu, Kashmir valley & Ladhak and only kashmir valley is muslim dominated)
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Sep 10, 2015 05:24pm
water ,trade , terrorism , Kashmir, culture , each matters handling different department in India .if you want talk trade you can't bring Kashmir there .
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Sep 10, 2015 05:24pm
Then ask your self?Why are we giving statements like these.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:38pm
Man have got that which he want, today or tomorrow. I think Pak should see the dream kasmir to Afgan becouse history called religion ,cultue, physical apperance of human all over everything are same. So Afgan is Pak and Pak is Afgan kabul is islamabad korachi,lahore. Love you our muslim brother.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:47pm
@Farrukh When you put conditions to become friends it means you dont want to become friends and your offer is not sincere. In that case Indians dont want that friendship.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:50pm
Pretty good foreign policy, Pakistan must stick to it. In the mean time devise other ways.
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Sep 10, 2015 05:59pm
A very practical approach for both the nations shall lead to a permanent peaceful solution. If this is resolved, would see the harmony at the border area.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:04pm
It seem like this board (including my Indian friends) are agreeing on one thing. No talk. I know Pakistan is ok with no talk so at least we agree on one thing. Let's just move on with our lives. No talk. No cricket. Nothing.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:19pm
From happenings of past 68 years I have a serious doubt whether pakistan really wants kashmir. It successively raises expectations then suddenly catches cold.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:23pm
@ghazal Indian Muslims are non issue in Kashmir problem which is as old as India and Pakistan. I am struggling to find a connection between the two. If we have to be cynical, that after losing Kashmir, the Indian Muslims will have to bear the brunt of Hindu rage, then thats not Pakistan's problem, its a problem with Indian state and its social makeup. In any case we are not concerned about what can or what cannot happen on the basis of theories. Pakistan simply wont allow India to use Kashmir against Pakistan as a water weapon which India has already started doing so.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:24pm
@Ali (Proud Indian) "Only Pakistan is still stuck on the "Kashmir" record .... wisen up!!"
We are NOT stuck in the record, we are setting the record "straight", understood?
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Sep 10, 2015 06:29pm
@Great giant To be honest, USA has become more or less quite irrelevant in this region. Its more about China and Pakistan partnership which is keenly observed by Russia as well. Pakistan is not asking but telling India to resolve the Kashmir issue. Whatever said or happened in past , is part of history, welcome to present. Pakistan is a no mood of non sense anymore and there are solid reasons behind this. A keen observer of geo politics would understand this new Pakistani assertiveness. Seems like its India which is stuck in past.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:31pm
@Peace Monger Good on the Indian diaspora and wish them all the best in their endeavors. But in geopolitics , it hardly matters. India to be honest has been reduced to Saarc level countries where as Pakistan is working on bringing the whole region closer, CPEC is just the start.
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Sep 10, 2015 06:55pm
Both India and Pakistan are reeling under terrorism. Terrorism is the core issue of the world today. So, talk should be on terrorism. Once action against terrorist had been taken, the Kashmir issue would have resolved peacefully.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:04pm
Kashmir was, Kashmir is and Kashmir will continue to be the single core issue standing between a peaceful Indian Suncontinent. Indians claim Kashmir to be a bilateral issue between Pakistan and India but then refure to even talk on Kashmir. Indians should not complain the rise of terrorism when they are not even willing to discuss the root cause.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:05pm
Why would you guys want ot talk?Talks for what?India doesn't want to talk if Kashmir is involved,Pakistan doesn't want to talk without Kashmir.So stop this drama.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:10pm
@M. Siddique Rebellion? Every five yrs in elections more than 60% voting in Kashmir.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:13pm
I hope he will stick to his words.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:21pm
Beautiful. There is absolutely no need to talk if root cause is not resolved.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:22pm
@AC : Thank you sir, please tell this to your leaders very strongly. Leave and let us leave.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:31pm
Lets see if everybody acts upon this advice.
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Sep 10, 2015 07:31pm
India is happy with status quo !! No solution till next century !!
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Sep 10, 2015 07:55pm
No Talks now...So focus on your issues..We will check after 5-6 years
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Sep 10, 2015 08:08pm
This correct stand Pakistan not to talk without Kashmir issue on agenda .
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Sep 10, 2015 08:09pm
@Timetostopthis - You are right no pre-conditions on friendship. I wonder why India did that before bilateral talks?
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Sep 10, 2015 08:42pm
India wants to discuss everything but Kashmir. A classic case of an elephant in the room but not talking about it.
Better for both countries to look away from each other and have minimum contact.
Suits both India and Pakistan just fine.
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Sep 10, 2015 08:50pm
Thank you sir. Finally the drama ends. Talks have been such a waste of time. But please don't keep repeating ... we won't talk to india,
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Sep 10, 2015 08:56pm
Back to square one.
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Sep 10, 2015 08:59pm
@raja hindustani
Yes with ALL concerned parties inclusive of Kashmiri leaders
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Sep 10, 2015 08:59pm
Good stand by pak...cam someone tell me whether kashmir speaker is invited by international community for commonwealth meet?
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Sep 10, 2015 09:07pm
People of Pakistan and India can fight here on Kashmir Issue but fact of the matter is that there is no solution on Kashmir. Talk or without talk, nothing will work
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Sep 10, 2015 09:37pm
We should understand that No Talk is in favour of India. It helps India to keep its possession of IHK. We should try to bring India on table.
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Sep 10, 2015 09:50pm
@Northeastern Indian - You must have a heart of stone then if you think "nothing will work" and not to care about the plight of Kashmiris!
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Sep 10, 2015 10:05pm
Kashmir is unfinished business and the jugular vein of Pakistan we share the same culture, linguistic, ethnic and nation bonds with Kashmir. Kashmiris are largely pro independence and/or pro Pakistan. We will never abandon the cause, we will never abandon the support. That's all there is to say.
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Sep 10, 2015 10:18pm
Not many people in the press briefing room. No one seems to care what the FO spokesman has to say, including himself.
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Sep 10, 2015 10:24pm
@Tamoor Khan, take a chill pill as you won't get Kashmir in your lifetime!
And of course, you don't care about Kashmiris, its all about water!!!
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Sep 10, 2015 10:45pm
@khan To reach central Asia you don't need Afghan, see the map dude and see Iranian railways up to Kazakhstan ,now the Train from Chabahar is under construction with the help of Indian co called Ircon . You know the truth Chinese invested 45 billions with 17% returns per annum from Pakistan who must provide them 10000 army to protect it which china will not spend a penny,contrary India will invest just 300 million to get access to central Asia- who is smart Bro just judge
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Sep 10, 2015 11:05pm
Kashmir on the agenda is a non-starter. If this is Government's official position, then stop talking about India, your have said your position, and now wait for eternity. It will never happen.
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Sep 10, 2015 11:41pm
@khan
Let's not be under any per conceived notions. In order to reach Central Asia, Pakistan is not the only route. There is a hassle free route through Iran and international waters..
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Sep 10, 2015 11:43pm
@Sajid Syed
Well said. But this is not the case. These are called raising alarm bells across the world. The tragedy is that no one is listening. The one which needs to listen you have an attitude towards it. Well this position keeps people employed.
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Sep 11, 2015 12:01am
This topic should be resolved peacefully with out war.
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Sep 11, 2015 12:05am
@Peace Monger
I will add that is Pakistan economy is weaker... Pakistani rupee is 103 to $1.00 where as Indian is 65 to $1.00. I can provide more statistic but leave it this time.
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Sep 11, 2015 12:49am
@PK - Japanese Yen is 120 to the dollar. So, exchange rate doesn't prove which economy is better. Try other "statistic" that you wanted to come up with.
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Sep 11, 2015 02:09am
@ghazal
Well said! Why can't other realize this simple fact?
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Sep 11, 2015 04:22am
@Harmony-1 -- Eh Purdahnashin, you are a true patriot and a real Pakistani. Hats off to you!
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Sep 11, 2015 04:25am
@Farrukh Why?
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Sep 11, 2015 05:11am
Dear Mr Sayed,
Are these not preconditions?
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Sep 11, 2015 05:12am
Yes, talks b/w Pak & India should be on the key issues, not to have a cup of tea together
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Sep 11, 2015 05:37am
Noted. It means no talk at all.
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Sep 11, 2015 05:54am
this is Exactly what India wants.
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Sep 11, 2015 06:19am
You know what let's build a wall like Israel did , it will be best for both countries and cut off diplomatic relations , makes it easy no talks and no hassle .
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Sep 11, 2015 08:06am
@abhay well said
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Sep 11, 2015 08:07am
@khan don't worry we will get oil from iran thro chambhar port..!! you don't worry abt it
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Sep 11, 2015 10:34am
Its refreshing to hear that Pakistan has taken a different stance at leas they have shown some courage
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Sep 11, 2015 10:48am
As A Pakistani let me tell you, please according to Simla Accord & Lahore Process, LOC will be a permanent border.
Why are setting precondition to talk?
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Sep 11, 2015 11:19am
@Zak Pakistan needs to have economic relations for betterment of both India and Pakistan. Learn from China your new close friend, China does not get stuck on only one track, it shows flexibility in relations with other countries even if they have differences on some issues with them. Let us sort out economic issues and side by side discuss Kashmir issue. If there is no dialogue between India and Pakistan both countries loose a chance to become dominant economies of this region.
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Sep 11, 2015 11:24am
India is fastest growing major economy. And in next 10 years, it will become major manufacturing economy and also become 4th largest economy in this world.
Basically India is able to grow rapidly despite all this trouble on border, wars and terrorism.
It is Pakistan who has to think what it is gaining out of all this.
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Sep 11, 2015 01:01pm
India's forcible occupation of the State of Jammu and Kashmir in 1947 is the main cause of the dispute. The current agitation in Indian-Held Kashmir is rooted in the struggle of the people for the exercise of the right of self-determination. Peaceful processions chanting demands for freedom were fired upon by Indian Army and police. Thousands of men, women and children have been killed or wounded. Pakistan should continue to build on Adviser’s letter and ask the UN for resumption of its rightful role, by tabling a UNSC resolution under Chapter 7 of the UN Charter.
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Sep 11, 2015 03:50pm
@rajeev no they are not. We say come with blank sheet of paper and even told you what we will discuss, that is kashmir. You said, no, we will only discuss terrorism, which incidentally is due to IOK. So we did not set any condition, you did, by evading kashmir as always. You can run but not hide from Kashmir issue.
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