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Pakistan International Airlines (PIA) on Friday rejected claims circulating in the media that its fleet of aircraft is faulty.
"It defies common sense that pilots and engineers would fly an aircraft that does not meet safety standards, and risk their own lives," the statement issued read, referring to speculation on mainstream media as well as social media that the national carrier was operating with fault aircraft.
The PIA Spokesman Danyal Gillani clarified that the ATR is perfectly safe for flying. "It is useful and economical on short haul flights in both hot and cold weather conditions," he said.
A PIA flight PK-661 carrying 48 passengers and crew crashed on the way to Islamabad from Chitral on Wednesday. The Civil Aviation Authority confirmed there were no survivors from the ill-fated flight.
Popular singer-turned-preacher Junaid Jamshed also perished in the crash along with his wife.
Read more: 'I fell in love with Junaid Jamshed's voice'
Pilot association speaks out
Speaking to DawnNews Thursday, Pakistan Air Lines Pilots Association (Palpa) Captain Khalid Hamza said that flying a faulty plane is incredibly difficult for any pilot.
"They should not be blamed for such incidents," he said, adding spare parts for PIA aircraft are never readily available and that the airline has been informed about it time and again.
However, Capt Hamza said the aforementioned problem is not limited to PIA.
"Other private companies also face similar inadequacies," he added, urging the Pakistani government to look into and invest in improving the aviation sector.
"A pilot only sends a 'May Day' signal as a last resort," the Palpa president said, adding aircraft can land safely even if one of the engines is working.
Capt Hamza was of the opinion that the investigation of the recent PIA plane crash should be done independently.
"Pilots, who die in a crash, cannot defend themselves," he said, adding that is why it is easy to blame the pilot and close the investigation.
"A crash, be it of a car or a train or a plane, does not happen all of a sudden," he said.
"An entire chain of events is involved that leads to the crash," the Palpa president said, adding an investigation is necessary to dissect these events and ascertain where the fault lied.
"In my 38 years of experience, I've never heard a pilot give out the 'May Day' signal, except for when I was in training," Capt Hamza added, saying the signal is only sent in extreme emergencies such as when the engine catches fire.
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Dec 09, 2016 03:16pm
Unfortunately and surprisingly its true in case of PIA.
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Dec 09, 2016 03:18pm
Because they have no other option
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Dec 09, 2016 03:17pm
yeah, you are right we pakistanies are always wrong. only you people in the driving seats are right, thats why pakistan is the best country in world.
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Dec 09, 2016 03:16pm
I think why can b answered ... After analyzing that engine failed and last flight had reported engine problems ...
PIA should b banned on safety records ... Especially international flights ...
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Dec 09, 2016 03:38pm
Yes, thanks for stating the obvious PIA. The issue here however is something else and the rabbit hole goes much deeper. The entire Nation is pointing towards the malpractices of PIA that have been going on for a very long time. The FIA exposed a corruption of Rs 9 billion. The airline is in a Rs 180 billion financial loss. PIA is known for cost cutting, customer complaints, late flights, nepotism, over staffing etc. In this case propellers of ATRs were being fixed in house by PIA when there were no authorization certificates issued. Please wake up from your slumber. 47 people are dead.
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Dec 09, 2016 03:38pm
Why are you supporting an airline which has been involved in the highest number of accidents ? defies common sense.
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Dec 09, 2016 03:39pm
Privatise please and give retirement to useless staff and buy good aircraft with low milages instead of going Vietnam or SriLanka
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Dec 09, 2016 03:42pm
Let's hope it is not faulty, but definitely aging fleet - except for the handful of 777s in service.
The other day, Mary Schiavo, a CNN aviation analyst commenting on this crash, categorically stated that PIA has been banned from flying into EU for its poor safety record. That was defamatory to say the least, because we know PIA does fly to many EU destinations. And except for unruly staff and few instances of smuggling of drugs or Mobiles involving PIA jets, the flights were NOT considered unsafe.
Nevertheless, I have yet to see PIA management call CNN to rebut this allegation or or to demand a retraction and apology from Mary Schiavo.
The PR department at PIA needs to get its act together, pay attention to what is being said about it in the press, before more damage is done to the carrier's reputation.
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Dec 09, 2016 03:45pm
@ahmad : I guess you have never seen how things work in other countries. Stop degrading your own country. No one is perfect and sure as hell we Pakistanis are not perfect. Try flying any American airline and you will realise that they are worse than any airline in the world. One time a plane I was travelling on from U.S.A to Europe, we found out after landing that storage compartment was not properly locked during flight. Any idea how dangerous that could have been?
We have a lot of room for improvements but we definitely aren't the only airline in the world with problems.
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Dec 09, 2016 03:54pm
Nothing makes sense in case of pia
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Dec 09, 2016 03:57pm
there is always pressure from top on pilot to take the plane to destination. corruption and nepotism has ruined everything. Mr Sehgall is MD PIA, why ?? why not me i have 20 years of education , dual masters. why not someone else.These high profile people from high profile family , do you think they have time for looking after an entity. big house luxurious cars. ohh come on ..we need worker on seats not the businessmen. Shame on politicians. they people sign appointment papers as if they are distributing rice among poor. Again i say the supreme is watching, any day can be the last for any one example of plane crash is right in front of you so why not show some loyalty to the people and country. else you people will regret when reach the other side of the wall.
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Dec 09, 2016 03:56pm
I personally used pia while traveling from Japan to Pakistan or china to Pakistan quite a few times. I wasn't satisfied with the conditions of the planes the seat covers were torned, hospitality of staff was worse and the movie that was showing on broken LCD was 1972's movie of Muhammad Ali I think the name was Deevar. Despite realizing that the flight were coming from Japan (a high tech country) the quality of audio visual was totally a noise. I wonder the flight I used from isb to Karachi was much better than the flight from Tokyo to Islamabad, then I realized that a majority of bureaucrats politicians and businessmen use the latter one. yet they claim there is no problem in pia. I finally switched to other airlines like Srilankan Thai Cathey ittehad or emirates. Sometime I feel guilty of not using national carrier but life is most important thing beyond all ethics and norms.
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Dec 09, 2016 04:06pm
The aircraft's engine exploded in mid air and yet it was in perfect flying condition. Am I the only one here who's confused?
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Dec 09, 2016 04:07pm
Pilots fly faulty aircraft all around the world because they need to feed their families and with the hope that the odds will be in their favor. Also if PIA does not operate faulty aircraft, then why did Europe ban 35 of its 42 aircraft in 2007. WHY?
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Dec 09, 2016 04:07pm
Amateurish statement. One might drive a faulty car on the belief that since it has been running for so long, one more journey won't kill anyone. Until it does.
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Dec 09, 2016 04:19pm
No one dare to put ones life in danger intentionally. Probably forced by senior authorities to fly this aircraft. Why PIA trying to blame pilot and engineers. PIA should blame senior management and safety authorities who allowed this faulty plane to fly.
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Dec 09, 2016 04:24pm
This plane was hit by some type of ground fire, which resulted in structural failure, ATR can fly on one engine or glide. Someone was filming the last moments of this plane before crash. It would be worth while to find out why was it being filmed and who was doing it ?
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Dec 09, 2016 04:29pm
Everything in this great country defies common sense I believe. I will share a personal experience. The flight notification board in the airport runs through a software which was almost depreciated in 2000. I went there to explore the alternatives and I was being told the system was purchased from France. Every year the airport staff was supposed to go for training & system upgrades, but these trips were availed by the people sitting on the higher post and their families. This is the bitter truth found commonly in our country.
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Dec 09, 2016 04:29pm
Most commentators here keep missing the point and are so eager to hurl insults and blame on PIA without considering all the facts.
http://www.dawn.com/news/1301205/pia-crash-high-court-order-to-make-caas-safety-board-an-autonomous-body-not-implemented
There are political angles involved which caused the safety standard to be compromised and poorly maintained aircraft were allowed to fly. The ultimate blame lies with the government and those who are using the airline for their personal benefits to provide jobs to their incompetent and inept cronies, who have no business operating an airline, no matter how small. This is nothing but criminal wrong-doing, interference in the safety of airline operation, and airworthiness certification, which is the domain of CAA of the country.
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Dec 09, 2016 04:31pm
Common sense is most uncommon with PIA.
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Dec 09, 2016 04:32pm
Let me tell you about QANTAS, which is Australian national airline. QANTAS has been operative since 1921. It goes to a lot more countries than PIA. QANTAS has the best safety record in the world. QANTAS has never had a fatal accident means no one has ever died in a QANTAS flight accident. Here a PIA representative is telling us that it is perfectly safe to fly in a PIA aircraft. My question to him is that "Why then, PIA is ranked amongst the top ten worst airlines in the world ? "
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Dec 09, 2016 04:40pm
This is absurd. Economics need to be kept aside when human lives are at stake. You should not have allowed the plane to get off the ground.
This whole line of argument is extremely asinine.
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Dec 09, 2016 04:40pm
@Umer Salahuddin good it's the point u mentioned
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Dec 09, 2016 04:43pm
In Pakistan everything defies common sense.
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Dec 09, 2016 04:49pm
**Pilots, who die in a crash, cannot defend themselves that is why it is easy to blame the pilot and close the investigation** VERY VERY TRUE
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Dec 09, 2016 04:52pm
we are failed nation indeed and that is a Pakistani saying ... sad
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Dec 09, 2016 05:18pm
The pilots and engineers will STILL fly faulty plane due to pressure from politicians. The sad story is our politicians all money minded and do not care about loss of precious life.
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Dec 09, 2016 05:19pm
@Z Nations are made up of people and society. If the nation fails, it is a reflection of the society that is made up of the people within it. Therefore, your logic says, people of this country have failed, because they keep electing corrupt, incompetent and useless leaders - who are a representation of themselves.
People do get the leaders they deserve. And the leaders are picked from among the failed people.
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Dec 09, 2016 05:22pm
PIA has one of the worst safety records in world, but still the institution is unable to recognize that there is a "problem", No wonder why they are consistently failing since 1980's.
Below article mentions the data since 1985, ranked PIA as an airline with fourth worst safety record in world (yet they are reffering to common sense):
http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/should-travelers-avoid-flying-airlines-that-have-had-crashes-in-the-past/
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Dec 09, 2016 05:29pm
@Sam sorry but if you look at the ratio of accidents to flights flown America has one of the highest safety records . Also don't forget the pilots there have landed planes in the middle of the Hudson River with no casualties . It's easy quoting extreme examples to get off topic . I have flown pia and I will never fly my family PIA for safety and reasons beyond safety . My last experience I had food had listeria and passengers became wildly sick yet it never made it to news 2012.
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Dec 09, 2016 05:38pm
It's shameful to blame someone who isn't there to defend himself , Pia should be stop operating immediately until its upgrade all the fleet and certified from international Airline standard team
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Dec 09, 2016 05:40pm
PIA need 10 good working planes instead of 100 scrapped/repaired planes
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Dec 09, 2016 05:48pm
@Khalid Who gave you this story sir?
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Dec 09, 2016 05:50pm
@Mahmood
I agree, some planes were banned to travel to EU for a few months namely 747 (but this was a few years ago). This plane has now been retired and replaced by 777's and a a330 on the premier service.
I hear pia will refurb all its 777's with new IFE in economy class and new business class seats starting early next year and the
I believe PIA is on the road to reclaim its former glory.
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Dec 09, 2016 05:53pm
In this era of inflation and unemplymnt pilots have to oblige their bosses and fly faulty aircraft. Airblue slashed its salary for pilots last year and this isnt hearsay coz i know the pilot. Pia is banned in europe.
Pls stop flirting with lives of people. Onus and blame lies on govt and pia. Adequate compensation must be provided however it wont repair the damage.
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Dec 09, 2016 05:57pm
They fly faulty planes as there is no alternate job for them.
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Dec 09, 2016 06:01pm
@Philosopher (from Japan) Well said. I feel guilty too but it is my life
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Dec 09, 2016 06:03pm
may be may be its pressure from the management or owner of airline to compromise on safety stranded or quality control to save the money or raise the profit. As pilot and other technical staff also wants to earn their bread and butter and have to made compromise . I think this practice is adopted world wide in many countries as in latest crash in Brazil plane ran out of fuel. to save the money fuel in tank was only sufficient to reach the destination city and if due to emergency plane have to take longer route then there was 100% chance of accident and thats happen in the case of Brazil . Money may came or gone but life once gone could not be got back. Main culprit should be prosecuted for murderer charges. Pilot and other staff are just a pawn in this making money game.
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Dec 09, 2016 06:01pm
I am eagerly waiting to fly with pia from London to Islamabad in the summer holidays on the new a330 (leased from sl airlines). I have heard rave reviews for this plane and service and the plane seems to be on time departing and arriving.
In fact if you check flightradar 24 most pia planes flying from EU are punctual, on time or reach destination early.
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Dec 09, 2016 06:02pm
"Safety Culture" is missing in all fields of our country. It is not a Priority but a Liability for this PURCHEE PROFESSIONALS of today. I do not see anyone even discussing it. RIP our fellow Pakistanis you were born here it is not your fault.
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Dec 09, 2016 06:08pm
We should accept the fact that we don't have any accountability, starting from a sweeper to Ceo. Same with both Indians and Pakistanis
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Dec 09, 2016 06:11pm
Dear brothers and sisters. The flight manifest clearly stated that one of the engines was either "faulty" or "not working". The ground engineer is the one who clears the aircraft for departure. Is it possible that they presumed that a 45 minute flight which includes 15-20 minutes of take-off and 15-20 minutes of decent can be made with just one working engine. Also what technicians and equipment was available to actually do repairs in Chitral. Who made the final call?
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Dec 09, 2016 06:13pm
I request authority to involve Mr Khalid Hamza in this investigation. I am impressed with his professionalism and honesty.
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Dec 09, 2016 06:23pm
Common sense is paying jobs are scarce,pilot can't air his grievances,airline maintenance is a costly affair world over,running a national airline is impractical for third world countries,private sector will always have an upper hand in such responsible enterprises as airline and multi speciality hospital..
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Dec 09, 2016 06:25pm
Then why u have health, safety and quality check departments??
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Dec 09, 2016 06:29pm
Just blame a dead man... Right?
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Dec 09, 2016 06:34pm
People! People! stop cursing yourselves. Lets wait for the investigations & then give your comments. ATRs are being used by various Airlines across the world & is considered as a safe aircraft. I have travelled through Etihad, Emirates, Thai, British Airways & PIA is as good as these. PIA has replaced their old aircrafts after EU ban & now there is no Ban for PIA any where.
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Dec 09, 2016 06:40pm
Please don't blame and make joke out of this tragedy and my question is to the management is Why don't the management accept their fault and why they allowed him to fly? Is there anyone to ask from these people?
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Dec 09, 2016 06:42pm
Politicised institutes and common sense are two different things.
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Dec 09, 2016 06:51pm
@Seemab
As per Dawn news article "Initial report says PK-661’s left engine malfunctioned" no one appears to blame the pilot and whether it's nicely crafted or all of it is facts, everything appears to add up. In fact, the pilot is reported to have undertaken all the appropriate and correct measures/actions but the free fall and damage to the wing were the apparent culprits.
Kindly review.
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Dec 09, 2016 06:50pm
Engine failures do.happen and what aviation industry doesn't want you to know that it happens occasionally and in countries like USA as well.. the problem.is with PIA safety procedures and protocol. Why was this aircraft allowed to fly when it first reported engine problem? All these lives could've been saved of the pilot should have been rerouted to the nearest airport to land. Also ATR is a safe aircraft but not safe when running on one engine engine ...why ? Because it can only Maintain a altitude ceiling of 11000ft when operating on one engine...so please do the math.uograde Islamabad airport with terrain reading radars and revise saftey procedures with pilots and air controller...make them.strict and mandatory to follow.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:00pm
@BISWA I guess you've never heard of 'Pilot error' before?
I suggest you watch the movie 'Flight' which will give you an insight into how some pilots hide their problems and incompetence and make themselves look like angels.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flight_(2012_film)
Hiding the truth is not going to make a problem go away. In a 'pilot error' which results in a crash, who would you blame? God, the Whether or the Plane Manufacturer??
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Dec 09, 2016 06:59pm
@Irfan_Sydney your remarks on QANTAS is 100% correct. We should send people from PIA to learn safety measures and rules from that airlines.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:01pm
Unfortunately when the staff is inducted in an organization based on nepotism and cronyism the result will always be that similar disasters will occur repeatedly. This unprofessional attitude in the Pakistani society is one of the major reasons why the country is lagging behind the rest of the world.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:01pm
We are a thirld world country with 50 percent of population still unable to read or write. we can not win a single gold medal in olympics and can not manage garbage collection. I am surprised we have an airline and we fly aircrafts and most of them reaches its destinations.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:07pm
The statement 'Pilots ad engineers flying unsafe aircrafts defies common sense' is true but in PIA's case it is not.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:06pm
Denial. Yes, that's the response? We, as a nation, must admit our errors before we can correct them. Oh, but there's no accountability - uh huh!!!
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Dec 09, 2016 07:10pm
You people will never gonna accept your fault.THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF TRUE LOOSER......
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Dec 09, 2016 07:10pm
If Pilot know that the fault is in plane, he never fly the plane. It is the responsibility of the ground engineer not to permit to fly the plane.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:08pm
You people will never gonna accept your fault.THIS IS AN EXAMPLE OF TRUE LOOSER......
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Dec 09, 2016 07:12pm
Does anyone see the irony of their scorn being heaped on the Plane, PIA, the Pilot etc.??
Ever few months, we read about Pakistan Aeronautical Complex manufacturing trainers and fighter jets like JF17 and selling dozens to foreign buyers.
Have any of these crashed so far after being inducted by the buyers? If the engineering standards in aviation were so lax in Pakistan, I seriously doubt anyone - such as Dubai, Paris or Farnborough airports, will even allow our planes to participate in their Air Shows, much less someone shell out good money to buy dangerous aircraft and risk their expensively trained pilots and the public on the ground.
Enough said!
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Dec 09, 2016 07:21pm
PALPA is always like this.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:19pm
ATR like most other planes are capable of gliding incase of all engine failures. In this case what has known uptill now is that one engine failed, which means the Pilot can compensate by tilting towards the engine which is operational.
A lot of questions here. Perhaps once blackbox is decoded, we should be able to find out.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:28pm
"Pilots, who die in a crash, cannot defend themselves"
What an interesting comment. Shows his intelligence and reasoning skills..
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Dec 09, 2016 07:34pm
This is fact that PIA is the most corrupt and efficient government funded airline. There is nothing good about the airline. Some needs to review the number of employees per play plane, as well as records (if any) for the maintenance of plans, customer service.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:48pm
@AsifButt True. And in his case, it is "VERY VERY TRUE". :)
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Dec 09, 2016 07:48pm
This of course is true that pilots do not take any risk of flying faulty aircraft neither they are forced to do it. Moreover, PIA safety ranking is not ideal but not one of the lowest as many have commented. Safety ranking of PIA stands at 5 stars. The highest is 7 and lowest is 1.
Before criticising, we should see the entire sense of responsibility in our society. However, this is for all the institutions to build a greater criteria of showing responsibility.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:51pm
PIA officials instead of making political statements should concentrate on crash investigation.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:53pm
PIA the first step to solving a problem is recognising there is one. Acknowledge the fact that PIA has a dismal safety record recently. Even some African nations poorer than us seem to be better than us In this regard. PIA has been in decline for a while now. Most of the fleet is old and outdated. Have fewer but first class international standard aircrafts that are properly maintained by professionals. Run fewer but safer flights. The safety of the passengers and not profits should be your first and foremost priority. Most of the people I know now fly by Emirates from London to islamabad even if it means stopping over at Dubai for a few hours.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:56pm
Accidents happen and they are going to happen. However what humans can do is to make sure that the chances of that happening is as less as possible, which obviously means highest safety , training and infrastructure standards. The frequency of PIA's crashes is alarming. I am not a professional but I can connect the dots. There is an immediate need of over haul. I would advise my fellow Pakistanis to avoid using PIA or use it as a last resort. In other words boycott PIA. May all the deceased in that plane crash rest in peace.
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Dec 09, 2016 07:55pm
"It defies common sense that pilots and engineers would fly an aircraft that does not meet safety standards...."???? In a country run by corrupts can you still talk about common sense? If you take corruption out, people will start believing and take accidents as misfortune.
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Dec 09, 2016 08:15pm
PIA officials demonizing their own practices and pilots? Then who to turn to to fix the problems within this organization... can someone respond to the mourning nation.
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Dec 09, 2016 08:25pm
Extreme indifference, carelessness happening all the time around everyone does affect the decision-making abilities of a person, and he tends to become more careless, sometimes at a very dangerous situation.
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Dec 09, 2016 08:38pm
Come on PIA. You are disallowed from landing at many international airports because of safety and payment issues. Pilots will continue to fly, even subpar equipment because that is the only choice they have other than unemployment. Nepotism, corruption and mismanagement has taken a once premium airline to this low of a reputation. We need someone like previous MD, Noor Khan to bring things back in good repute at PIA.
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Dec 09, 2016 08:42pm
how will a pilot or flight engineer know that a plane is faulty, it's the maintenance department that would know. What if fualty maintenance practices are in place?
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Dec 09, 2016 09:00pm
BUT you showed your intelligence by giving green signal to such plane...WELLDONE FOR EXPLANATIONs thereafter!!!!
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Dec 09, 2016 09:02pm
Unfortunately PIA has every excuse to defend itself.
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Dec 09, 2016 09:10pm
ATR is a safe aircraft and can land even on one engine. In my opinion it seems like that the cold weather had caused ice to form on the wings of the ill-fated aircraft, and lack of power from one of it's engines effected the anti-icing system (ATR is fitted with boots on wings). Ice on wings can dramatically alter the flight profile, and if power is lost the aircraft can become unstable. In 2009 ATR crashed in Buffalo, NY due to significant ice-build up on wings, killing 50 passengers on board in
My heart goes out to all the affected families of the air-crash victims.
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Dec 09, 2016 09:22pm
@Adnan when gov has an excuse to defend itself then WHO is left?
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Dec 09, 2016 09:31pm
PIA is an unfortunate story of mega corruption and scavenging by every incoming Government's goons without slightest concern that, they also travel by the same airline.
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Dec 09, 2016 09:32pm
@Mahmood It is true that PIA had been banned from flying into EU because of "safety" of a certain fleet. Once the issues were resolved the ban was removed.
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Dec 09, 2016 09:40pm
@Khalid
proof or evidence please?
Don't spread stories with out any evidence.
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Dec 09, 2016 09:39pm
What is not faulty in PIA??
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Dec 09, 2016 09:45pm
Conspiracy theory: may be the pilot really didn't know that plane has some faults because the ground staff / maintenance engineer gave him 'ok to fly' report. I assume its is not the job of pilots to check the plane and they only realize the fault after flying when all the meters show the fault. That is why, the initial report stated that the pilot suddenly reported the fault after taking off.
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Dec 09, 2016 09:45pm
Pakistan and some other countries have different mindset when it comes to probabilistic chances, and they do stretch them too far. Still don't understand if some leniency in following the procedure is working alright most of the time doesn't mean that it will work all the time!
If you are flying enough flights then it will bound to happen sooner or later.
Just them using logic that this plane could be landed safely on glide or on only one engine shows serious flaw in mindset.
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Dec 09, 2016 09:49pm
@Jason
You do not know what you are writing about.
A flight manifest does not have record of aircraft technical faults or relevant details
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Dec 09, 2016 09:48pm
The people who are responsible not for this but any incident should be punished. This trend must start. And minister concerned should resign
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Dec 09, 2016 09:59pm
@Sam you are 100% right.
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Dec 09, 2016 10:02pm
corruption and bribes ! PIA should be checked that money go to repair planes!
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Dec 09, 2016 10:08pm
PIA is notorious for skipping safety regulations and guidelines. Parts are hard to get because suppliers are NOT PAID BY PIA and almost impossible to get for small repairs like the one in the tragedy in a remote part such as Chitral. Pilots and engineers are forced to take risks. The PIA administration is putting out ridiculous excuses and dancing around the accusations by giving misleading statements.
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Dec 09, 2016 10:10pm
@Mahmood It's true. PIA flights travelling to North America circumvent the EU airspace and take dangerous routes that skim Russian, Eastern Europeana nd Northern Atlantic regions.
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Dec 09, 2016 10:11pm
Three young pilots dead and nobody to blame for it?
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Dec 09, 2016 10:13pm
@Sam Nobody is asking them to be perfect - just moderately safe. PIA has enough budget to maintain safety standards, but they don;t because of corrupt practices and looting of funds. Ask ANY supplier or company that has dealt with PIA and they will tell you PIA NEVER PAYS MONEY OWED TO VENDORS after which vendors who supply things like crucial spare parts refuse to sell them anything. These planes are dangerous and not well maintained.
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Dec 09, 2016 10:31pm
We do not need to get mad on this situation, its obvious we cannot afford brand new airplanes, same with India. The other thing is that how many times you fix the old cars or old airplanes, one cannot fix it for life time, there is a certain age to dispose off. We should have to get better airplanes not new airplanes, so we can at-least safe precious lives.
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Dec 09, 2016 10:48pm
we must go back to 1973 wonderful efficient ,punctual. friendly staff with its excellent management My first flight were with PIA from khi_Nairobi very smooth flight. (1973)with so many expatriate 's passengers.Even more wonder struck to notice big PIA posters in East&Central Africa places like Burundi,Rwanda and Congo (Zaire now).Felt proud of its status then why so much decay? ?
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Dec 09, 2016 11:07pm
Check out how many employees were inducted without merit by the PPP government!!!!!! That adds up and makes PIA a mess.....
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Dec 09, 2016 11:10pm
This is the kind of response you get from an organization that's crawling floor-to-ceiling with unqualified, undeserving political appointees who are only there to collect a paycheck. No remorse, no regret, no apology - just more blame shifting. Shame on PIA.
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Dec 09, 2016 11:18pm
Don't fly PIA
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Dec 09, 2016 11:16pm
How convenient, blame the dead
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Dec 09, 2016 11:48pm
@Sheraz Ali no one wants to buy
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Dec 09, 2016 11:49pm
Accidents do happen and in case of airlines accident means the tragic end of all on board. Before flight, aircrafts are checked for airworthiness but malfunctioning is always a possibility which no one can control. There will definitely be a thorough investigation of crash from the aircraft manufacturer and CAA to know the reasons. Lets wait for that. Indulging into politics is not the call for the day.
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Dec 09, 2016 11:58pm
To see what PIA management can do when nurtured in a healthy meritocracy, you don't have to look much further than Emirates of Dubai. Stop appointing sycophants and "chamchas" to PIA and almost immediately its planes will stop falling out of the sky.
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Dec 10, 2016 12:06am
Authority of Incompetents also defies common sense....
A deficited corporation being over-hired also defies common sense.....
To not maintain the fleet & hoping for miracles ... Also defies common sense
To say that Everything was working fine but drastic tragedy happened... Defies common sense
To blame Almighty for own failures.... Defies common sense
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Dec 10, 2016 12:12am
@Farrukh
The engine should have caught fire mid air in that case. I don't think this theory flies.
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Dec 10, 2016 12:14am
Shutdown this source of corruption, politicians will never let it happened
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Dec 10, 2016 12:17am
IMHO, there is no reason to have a blame game against PIA or anyone. As a logical way to approach things, the best course of action is what Toyota did, ask the 5 whys! Asking the why will lead to the root cause of the problem and will help PIA resolve many of their other occured/future occuring accidents like this one. The exception is that PIA is actually willing to get to the root of the issue and resolve it.
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Dec 10, 2016 12:48am
I think, PIA should get rid of all current maintenance staff and get it maintained by more capable foreign staff temporarily and get a good team of Pakistani Engineers to get trained under them. Get rid of all unqualified pilots too.
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Dec 10, 2016 12:50am
Well just remember, it is the side effects or our corrupt government who is least interested in Country well-being after all. Since they or their families do not use these below par charter aircraft's so why would they care at all. But thanks to the common citizen for bringing these thugs and killers in power over and over again. So why anyone surprised here, continue to dance and celebrate for these thugs and killers and no one can help you. This is another beginning for Aviation and before we all know, PIA will be suspended for International Travel that is the plan after all. Started from Zardari and concluding by Nawaz and company.
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Dec 10, 2016 12:52am
@Hatim : Well your statement itself quite illogical to begin with. If you are a Pilot who should know better to fly a faulty Plain, to begin with. If folks like you are PIA pilots , I would stay away from that Airline for sure. What a logic you have provided here, I am quite speechless
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Dec 10, 2016 12:54am
@zibbi : Nope you are quite wrong, it is thanks to our current and Past government corruption is to blame for. Plenty of money and resources in this country but only a few are hoarding it for their small family and saving it abroad. Jagoo Pakistan Jagoo
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Dec 10, 2016 12:55am
@Beandoc : You are right on my friend, and this is the by-product of Corruption and corrupt government we have
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Dec 10, 2016 01:00am
Its called jugaar in lay man terms whole of pakistan is on the same rule but at the end a crash is what awaits us.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:09am
What a silly logic!. Don't blame the pilot but find out if he/she did make a mistake so that it is not repeated again. Is it so difficult to just follow the safety rules the world follows?. PIA is, without a doubt, one of the most unsafe airlines. When are we going to learn?.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:42am
Well done Mr. Hamza and hope Government of Pakistan will take note of your comments.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:45am
The crash was the result of our collective negligence and culture of corruption.
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Dec 10, 2016 01:47am
Blaming a dead pilot is not fair. After all, there is none unfortunately to defend or justify his case
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Dec 10, 2016 02:15am
To make money by hook or by crook defies a lot of common sense in Pakistan..human life is secondary. Things Money Can’t Buy
Time. Happiness. Inner Peace. Integrity. Love. Character. Manners. Health. Respect. Morals. Trust. Patience. Class. Common sense. Dignity
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Dec 10, 2016 02:18am
If you only want logic then logically speaking Nawaz Shareef is the most corrupt man in the history of this country.
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Dec 10, 2016 03:09am
PIA needs to be dismantled and recreated. Management's mindset is way too fuedal in nature.
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Dec 10, 2016 03:31am
Unfortunately, Politicization has destroyed bulk of national institutions.
PIA's claims are not worth an iota!
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Dec 10, 2016 04:06am
PIA has lost all credibility. Outdated fleet can only take so many hits. The pilots are no doubt very qualified. I mean they have to be when flying a dinosaur.
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Dec 10, 2016 04:07am
@agree but stats dont lie. Read through the findings of kate silver and think sensibly and you will be able to come to an educated opinion rather than to come to an emotional opinion
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Dec 10, 2016 04:12am
@Irfan_Sydne y I work for qantas and i can say that qantas doesnt fly to more countries than pia but its safety record is impeccable and safety is of highest priority even if it means inconveniencing passengers
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Dec 10, 2016 04:13am
@kash plane may be okay my friend but what about the staff flyimg and maimtaining the plane. Thats the issue with pia
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Dec 10, 2016 04:17am
@Mozaffar Ahmad who told u its five star. And the stars are not just for safety but include other aspects of travel as we
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Dec 10, 2016 04:28am
@Zulfi so true... I am one of them.
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Dec 10, 2016 04:43am
@Sam you need to be aware that Skytrax International rates PIA at 2-stars out of a possible 5-stars. So you are right, there must be airlines with a 1-star rating. Hip Hip Hurray!
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Dec 10, 2016 04:50am
@Umer Salahuddin I shall tell you why... because both of them are dead and can not defend themselves, that's why.
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Dec 10, 2016 04:54am
@Khalid... Wow! and the genius speaks Now!
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Dec 10, 2016 05:03am
PIA must be wound up
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Dec 10, 2016 05:07am
Nothing wrong with the pilots. The are well trained professionals. The problem is with the maintenance chiefs and executives who do not want to spend on rebuilt spare parts. They must have maintenance and replacement schedules, and stick to them. The flight line crews must live by them. They must report not having spare parts and equipment when needed directly to government inspectors not the executives.
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Dec 10, 2016 05:05am
@ahmad .... Everyone in Pakistan is always right. That's the problem.
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Dec 10, 2016 05:58am
@Sam Whatever the incident you are refereeing is there any source that this is happens? I do not think ... I do work related travel domestic and international whatever you are describing is not right. So many times flight got delayed due to not getting clear from ground staff. They will not let fly without making sure everything is in perfect shape this is the reason when there are close to 100,000 flight everyday in USA and you are seeing any major incident. Please do not defend PIA they have their own problem this is mainly due to corrupt un-competent hiring in PIA. There are reasons PIA is one of the worst airline in the world.
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Dec 10, 2016 06:19am
Common Sense is a very rare commodity in Pakistan.
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Dec 10, 2016 06:22am
Don't fly PIA
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Dec 10, 2016 06:46am
PIA has been banned here in HK because few years back they landed a plane in extremely dangerous weather when tons of flights were cancelled everyone was shocked by this act of mighty PIA that's also show these pilots are under pressure of corrupt senior management who force them to not care about the safety of the passengers
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Dec 10, 2016 06:56am
I am working abroad. most of the decision makers and high ranking government officials do not use PIA for traveling therefore they do not have any complaints. we lost aircraft and people, after some time it will be history. no one from PIA will be sacked rather you will listen news for promotions
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Dec 10, 2016 07:02am
So were the pilot or the mechanics working on this aircraft hired by PIA based on their competence or based on quota system....and how many were asked "where was your grandfather born?" during the interviews.....which is what happened to one of my close friend!!! Nepotism and Cronyism (courtesy of our democracy) have eaten the entire system inside out. The incompetent investigators (themselves hired due to chronyism) will recycle same old reports.....
Accidents like this are caused by a long chain of events......why wasn't the pilot able to run the aircraft one one engine or glide it without any..., who performed the last heavy maintenance on the left engine ?, who/if ran the last checklist before taking off.
When was the last time this pilot had adequate simulator training....did he pass? Who is overseeing the entire technical training process ..... political appointees???
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Dec 10, 2016 08:15am
I saw video of extremely raw handling of dead bodies from crash. I just cannot fathom how unprofessional and illiterate people handling someone's loved ones body parts. Unbelievable. Pia should be ashame of this handling of human bodies like butchers cutting farm animals.
What's so costly to have done with Dry ice. plastic
Bags and tags and taking DNA samples and respectfully putting body parts. ??? SHAME ON YOU PIA AND WHO EVER WAS THE AUTHORITIES FOR CLEAN UP JOB.
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Dec 10, 2016 08:17am
By the junaid jamshed was not the only passenger on that flight. There were other very very important father. Mother. Children and loved ones too.
Entire. Media only talking about junaid. Of course it is Sad fir him too and I am sure if junaid was alive and if he was Truly a preacher of Islam then he would agree with me that other human are just as important any other.
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Dec 10, 2016 09:38am
@MALIK don't blame PIA as such, it was declared best Airline of the year in 1976 under Air Marshal Nur Khan. But since then, PIA has been used to stuff in political cronies as rewards for services and merit, professionalism has been thrown out. Hence the state of affairs. Privatize it but only for pakistani citizens and don't let govt interfere, so how it bounces back.
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Dec 10, 2016 06:29pm
It is a misfortune for the deceased & their families but our media overplays every time they are expected to behave sensibly and intelligently.
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Dec 10, 2016 06:39pm
I think air crafts in the Pakistan Air Force with all due respect, also need to be reviewed, how many air crafts from the air force have crashed? how can the public ever know of what is going on ??.
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Dec 10, 2016 06:52pm
@M. Malik . Agreed 100 percent. Our leaders, our representatives, are exactly what we are. They are as corrupt, as incompetent as you and I are. We elected them, so we bear the consequences of their abilities. Singapore elected Lee Kwan Yew as its first Prime Minister and look at Singapore now, it has become the No. One nation for education, No.One in cleanliness, the most expensive city to live and work in. Look at Mr.Lee Kwan Yew's qualifications, and then compare them with our leaders. Our "leaders" do not even wish to live in Pakistan.
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Dec 10, 2016 10:22pm
We need to be humble but our ego is so huge that we just refuse to learn. Will there be a day when I read the news and feel proud to be a Pakistani. Every day there is something about incompetence or corruption or terror incidents. Like my computer Pakistan needs a reboot.
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Dec 10, 2016 11:32pm
@Philosopher (from Japan) When political appointments are made in PIA that killed the airline..................the death started in 1970s...........it is amazing that it has not gone under..........although they have killed many customers.........via disasters.
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Dec 11, 2016 12:04am
@Kash. Keep on wishing and expecting something good from PIA.
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Dec 11, 2016 12:12am
I travelled in PIA in 2013 and my kids didn't have anything to kill the time because planes entertainment system was not working on both flights. After 3 years, one of my friend travelled from the airline and the situation is still same. This shows how good PIA is handling their problems.
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Dec 11, 2016 12:15am
People bashing PIA for having faulty airplanes must know that no pilot will fly an airplane with engine faults. Furthermore, the pilot has full authority to decline the takeoff if he or she feels that the state of the airplane is not safe. Also, please be a little considerate that its a machine and things can go wrong in mid flight. I know people lost their lives and many families are broken because of this, however; what can PIA really do if everything is working fine but problem starts in mid air. Additionally, there might be a possibility that There might be some human error as well but really can we put all the blame on PIA shoulders ?Unfortunately this is a very tragic moment for all of us and I hope that affected families find the strength to live through this. May their souls rest in peace.
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Dec 11, 2016 12:16am
@Irfan_Sydney why are people still voting for the corrupt politicians to lead us and knowing that one of them is 100% guilty for laundering money ? Defies common sense on all fronts. We are the reason who gave power to these people and they are doing whatever they want. Blame the nation rather than blaming PIA, or the politicians.
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Dec 11, 2016 06:57am
There is only one solution to fix PIA. People should stop flying PIA till management fixes the issues at the airline. When there is no money coming in, two thing will happen. Either PIA will go bankrupt or management will fix the issues. Either result is acceptable
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Dec 12, 2016 01:49pm
Once the pilot has sent the may day signal he should have been encouraged by ground based flight advisors to land back immediately it may not have been economical but may have saved the day.
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