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A dual-seat variant of the JF-17 Thunder fighter jet co-developed by the Pakistan Air Force (PAF) and China took its maiden test flight in Chengdu on Friday, the PAF said in a press release.
The JF-17B "is currently entering the testing phase", the PAF said, terming the development of the dual-seater "a major milestone towards self-reliance".
Chief of Air Staff Air Chief Marshal Sohail Aman was chief guest at the test event today hosted by the Aviation Industry Corporation of China Executive Vice President Li Yuhai.
The JF-17B is slated to boost the operational and training capabilities of the PAF, the press release said. "It will further enhance the advanced combat training of PAF fighter pilots on this indigenous war fighting machine."
Production of the first JF-17B was initiated by Pakistan and China during a joint ceremony at Chengdu Aerospace Corporation last year.
The JF-17 Thunder's operational history
The JF-17 Thunder, a single-engine multi-role fighter jet, and was jointly developed by China and Pakistan. Development on the aircraft started in 1999, and the maiden flight was conducted in 2003.
The initial Block 1 JF-17s were received in 2007, with production of the upgraded Block 2 JF-17s started in 2013. The upgraded models have upgraded avionics, air-to-air refuelling capability, data link, enhanced electronic warfare capability and enhanced load carrying ability.
The JF-17 can be equipped with air-to-air and air-to-ground ordinance. The aircraft mounts both short-range infra-red air to air missiles along with longer ranged radar-guided BVR missiles, an essential capability for a frontline interceptor.
Read: Pakistan's tool of war: PAF's rolling thunder
The aircraft can carry 8,000lbs of ordinance on seven external hardpoints, which is an adequate amount of ordinance for any mission profile. The JF-17 enhances the much needed capability of the air force in beyond visual range (BVR) engagements.
The JF-17 is a capable platform, and is on its way to form the backbone of the PAF. It was reported that between 250 and 300 aircraft will be inducted into the air force in order to phase out the ageing fleet of some other aircraft models that are still in operation.
For the Pakistan Air Force, the JF-17 fills the gap that had arisen due to an ageing inventory, which was further impacted by sanctions placed on the country following the nuclear tests in 1998.
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Apr 28, 2017 05:02pm
Congratulations. chinese are known for their superior and durable goods .ALL THE BEST .
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Apr 28, 2017 05:12pm
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala, sarcasm at its best !
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Apr 28, 2017 05:16pm
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala: If chinese goods were not "superior and durable", why would the whole world purchase chinese products! PAF does not compromise on quality as their pilots are definitely much more worth any aircraft - even the most modern american/european aircrafts.
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Apr 28, 2017 05:20pm
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala this is Pakistani as well, hence the lethal element , enough to take care of our adversaries. We lead the region in development and excellence.
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Apr 28, 2017 05:21pm
@AKKS only a fool recognises another fool. All from same country, where fools are in abundance.
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Apr 28, 2017 05:21pm
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala : Yup, We understand "Grapes are Sour" on other side of the border !!!!
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Apr 28, 2017 05:21pm
Congratulations. Indeed we are learning something its better to try something.
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Apr 28, 2017 05:23pm
@Spectator but it is a fact that Chinese goods are of poor quality.
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Apr 28, 2017 05:33pm
Strangely these plains are not on the Chinese inventory. Conflict of interests or simply the Chinese are making it for others like they do everything else. Or if I may add they are not good enough for the Chinese air force.
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Apr 28, 2017 05:38pm
@carwala To all those who thinks chinese goods are of poor quality...think again Iphones are Made In China :)
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Apr 28, 2017 05:46pm
Mabrook, alf mabrook. Keep it up and hang on tough. May God Almighty bless you all. Aameen, Tsum Aameen.
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Apr 28, 2017 05:48pm
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala Jealous Indian spotted
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Apr 28, 2017 05:51pm
@Danial PK Production is being shifted to India.
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Apr 28, 2017 05:52pm
@Antony Ooty Firstly, it is planes not plains. The other thing is what about tejas rejected by Indian navy?.
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Apr 28, 2017 05:53pm
@CARWALA: Depedents upon where you buy the chinese products. Not seen this here in europe, where they sell extremely good quality products incl. for research and development labs. Yes, in sub-continent they supply similar products of lower quality at affordable price. Would this apply to a combat aircraft meant to compete with established american/european ones - dont't think so.
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Apr 28, 2017 05:58pm
Excellent news. Congrats to all Pakistanis.
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Apr 28, 2017 06:04pm
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala "Congratulations. chinese are known for their superior and durable goods .ALL THE BEST "
You are being sarcastic, but I will take it on a serious note. There is no match to Western technology in general and American technology in particular. Having said that, our doctrine against enemy on the Eastern border is simple. Maintain enough deterrence that will inflict an un-wanted damage to Indian GDP incase of war. JF17, while not the best, gives us that capability.
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Apr 28, 2017 06:09pm
@Zak ...A lovely reply,good job @Zak.
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Apr 28, 2017 06:10pm
Self reliance is the key to our national defense. Hope new version of this fighter Jet is as good as any competition .
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Apr 28, 2017 06:20pm
That is a wonderful news. These planes may not be the best - but they are good enough to Protect Pakistan against some of nefarious designs that some of our neighbors might have
keep it up Pak Air Force and congrats to those Engineers and Technicians who have worked tirelessly on this project and make it a reality
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Apr 28, 2017 06:51pm
@Zak this coming from a country that elected midi and his brand of saffron fundos
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Apr 28, 2017 06:52pm
@South Asia Have been hearing that for years now. Let us know when it finally does.
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Apr 28, 2017 06:55pm
Better build anything yourself, rather than import good quality product especially if it is related to defense. After some time you will start producing good quality product without reliance on others. Kudos to Chinese and Pakistani engineers for development of JF thunder.
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Apr 28, 2017 07:05pm
Congratulation Pakistan. Pakistan should continue cooperation further for joint development and production of more advanced fighters like stealth with China. China is ahead in the game on that front also. India is still a follower in negotiating with western suppliers and is bogged down in the money spending versus overall benefits business games instead of becoming independent like China.
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Apr 28, 2017 07:11pm
@optimist rajput The Indian Navy rejected the LCA Tejas Naval Variant as it felt the plane was heavy for carrier operations. It is common in India for the services to reject weapons developed by the DRDO or HAL. The reason is that they need the very best and do not have the pressure to accept anything and everything that the DRDO and HAL develop. That shows maturity and freedom the services have. What is wrong in that?
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Apr 28, 2017 07:18pm
@Zak
Brother if they are so lethal, why are they not being used by China themselves.. Simple common sense bro.
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Apr 28, 2017 07:20pm
This is not only between the China and Pakistan. The most important player is Russia. The Engines are of Russian origin, it will take China at least 10 years to make aircraft engines. Aircraft engines is more complex than rocket science. That is why there are so few aircraft engine manufacturers in the world, General Electric and Rolls Royce, perhaps one or two more. This is a very highly secretive technology. It is about developing complex materials which can withstand very high temperatures at very high pressures over a long period of time. Human lives depend on this technology.
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Apr 28, 2017 07:22pm
Its a Good Move,But S400 Airdefence system and JF17 block iii is the Current Need Of Pakistan's Defence,
DEFENSE COMES FIRST NOT OFFENSE!!!
We Are Spending More On development Of Tactical nukes,Which is WRONG,
We Bought Hq16 ADS which can Be Destroyed By any Fighter Jet Out of its Range by ADVANCE ANTI RADIATION MISSLE, CORRECT ME IF I AM WRONG PLEASE!!!
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Apr 28, 2017 07:28pm
Good Job Pakistan, anything we can learn to better our skills from anyone is good thing. Collaborations are great and good things to do, especially in science and technology.
sodawaterbottleopenerwala dost refrain from negative comments you will only meet hate from hate. Love is the best healing energy Om Sai :) Love you India with all my heart.
@zak your targeted retaliation is not needed dost, your words can hurt many beautiful souls from India also, yes my Indian friend is wrong, but two wrongs don't make right dost. Long Live Pakistan my most beautiful Indus Valley Land.
IndoPak Blood Brothers 4 Life!
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Apr 28, 2017 07:35pm
JF-17B is a 3rd Generation plane. It is not a match for 4plus Generation Tejas. Moreover India has many advanced projects like AMCA, DRDO AURA, FGFA etc.
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Apr 28, 2017 07:39pm
@Karthik Okay I understand there is a freedom of rejection but I don't see any alternative accepted by the Navy that was indigenously manufactured by India. For your information, like India, Pakistan too have systems and procedures in place to filter the weapons on offer and induct best quality weapons in its arsenal as it is a matter of national security. Plus the JF-17 has been on many air shows around the world. If it was a low quality aircraft then I don't think any country would take a risk of presenting a low quality product in front of the whole world. Many countries have placed an order for JF-17 and it is being improved even more to meet the current needs.
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Apr 28, 2017 07:41pm
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala only a man of your intellect, as per your name, can say and accept that.
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Apr 28, 2017 07:42pm
Congratulations Pakistan on this achievement.But indian Tejas is far more superior to jf 17 as per Chinese experts also.
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Apr 28, 2017 08:00pm
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala .. Then why India is one of the biggest market for Chinese goods...targeting to import up to 30 billions of goods from china???
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Apr 28, 2017 08:01pm
Congratulations to China and Pakistan on great success. Keep it up.
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Apr 28, 2017 08:05pm
@Anurag Gautam , Which Chinese expert said that? Indians are alway jelous about the success of Pakistan.
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Apr 28, 2017 08:15pm
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala Getting jeolous are we? China is the next sole super power while USA is in decline. Pakistan China Saudi patnership will keep a good balance in the region countering our enemies.
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Apr 28, 2017 08:28pm
@Shahryar Shirazi
Good observation brother.
Every country has right to defend its borders against enemies but should be careful on more than over dependence on one country for every need.
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Apr 28, 2017 08:54pm
MashaAllah. Long live Pakistan !!
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Apr 28, 2017 09:15pm
@Danial PK : iphones are made in china but technology are from Macintosh USA
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Apr 28, 2017 10:30pm
@Shah, Canada To keeep good relationship.
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Apr 28, 2017 10:41pm
@Arshad Well said.
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Apr 28, 2017 10:51pm
@Anurag Gautam Agreed. Then why India is buying jets from other countries?
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Apr 28, 2017 11:09pm
Great development. Our aeronautical industry continues to expand and progress. Good job Pakistan
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Apr 29, 2017 12:25am
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala the iPhone/Android or computer you are sending this msg with is made in China.. Naive
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Apr 29, 2017 12:26am
@Anurag Gautam are you of that. As I understand services are not that happy with these. Probably India has reached a stage to be able to produce high tech and high end air craft yet.
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Apr 29, 2017 12:38am
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala Things change over time, for instance the only thing Indians have been known for since tens of centuries is for staying under foreign occupation and now they dream of being super power....
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Apr 29, 2017 12:43am
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala Absolutely bro. That's why India imports it's largest numbers of goods from China. You don't believe in it.
"https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Economy_of_India". Please go to the site I have provided and see the import column. So tell me why does India import so much goods from China If their quality is of lowest category?Isn't it hypocrisy? Only Indian and their government can answer this.
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Apr 29, 2017 12:45am
@Pk "Good observation brother. Every country has right to defend its borders against enemies but should be careful on more than over dependence on one country for every need."
Your point is valid. However, there are only a handful of aircraft manufacturers: USA, U.K, Russia, China, Sweden and France. Its clear Pakistan is not the darling of the West once it used to be, so they are off the table. Russia won't do it yet due to its relations with India. That leaves China only.
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Apr 29, 2017 12:48am
@Aleem "China is the next sole super power while USA is in decline."
Actually No, USA is on the rise actually. Take a look at history. All superpowers were enjoying supremacy for several centuries. The Romans, Mangols, Turks, Persians, Mughals, Egyptians, Britishers etc. USA has been a super power only since 1944. I work very closely with US technology and I can tell you there is no match to USA technological might. They are clearly 50 years ahead of their nearest competitor, who so ever that be - China or Russia.
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Apr 29, 2017 12:52am
@Anurag Gautam "Congratulations Pakistan on this achievement.But indian Tejas is far more superior to jf 17 as per Chinese experts also"
Designing a plane is not easy. So kudos to Indian scientists too. I am not an expert so cannot comment on who is better between Tejas and JF17. What I can say is the air war will be highly an avionics and electronics affair. Those with mighty gadgets on the plane and the ground will be able to shoot the opponent first.
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Apr 29, 2017 12:55am
@A BLOT ON ESCUTCHEON: brother I am not under astimating Pak success but it's a fact that Tejas will have a upper hand as it is a generation ahead than jf17,as for your question Indian airforce is fond of buying expensive toys so that higher up earns some money in deals. All desi is considered as crap by armed forces. Same applicable for Pak forces,fond of expensive f16s but since they can not get it they have no other choice other than to have jf17s. Khate Dono Hai woo Bhee Dabaa Ke,aakhir bhai hai Dono.
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Apr 29, 2017 12:57am
@Zealot "Its a Good Move,But S400 Airdefence system and JF17 block iii is the Current Need Of Pakistan's Defence,"
Russia will never sell S400 to Pakistan. There will be too much diplomatic pressure from India. S400 is one of its kind, state of the art system which is literally a virtual bubble over your airspace. You can sleep well with S400 deployed against the enemy. There is no match between Israeli and Iranian Air force. However, back in 2009 when there were talks between Russia and Iran, Israel successfully did what ever it could to stall the negotiations. That is how much scary and effective the S400 is.
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Apr 29, 2017 01:29am
@Baba Bandook Nah, I do not think it is a low quality product. I was just responding to you on why the Indian Navy is not happy with the naval version of Tejas.
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Apr 29, 2017 01:30am
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala chinese are known for worst quality of their products and jf17 is a copied version of russian mig 21. Chinese army is not using jf17 jets but instead selling them to pakistan. Wake up pakistan still time is there. Be our good neighbor we will help pakistan in growth and development
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Apr 29, 2017 01:33am
@Zak can you please enlighten us that in which sphere of lifepakistan is leading south asia.please be true with facts
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Apr 29, 2017 02:29am
Congratulations! It's far ahead of Indian fleet
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Apr 29, 2017 03:15am
China does make fake goods and it also makes origanal goods. To country like India it will sell the worst of quality and Pakistan its Premium quality.
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Apr 29, 2017 03:17am
@carwala It is also fact whatever China makes or export India does not offer an alternative to Chinese products otherwise we will see Indian products all over the world. Indian products are also sub-standard and low quality with poor with no or little after sales service. But the topic at hand is an aerospace product not a pressure cooker. It is a fighter that is in service for the last 8 years designed and built from ground up with active Pakistan participation as a junior partner .The windfall profits for Pakistan are many the foremost is the critical knowledge and expertise gained over the years. Even 70/80% percent of US/Western reliability quality or capability it offers Pakistan has now a reliable partner and a supplier. China's critical help has laid the foundation of an aerospace engineering base and one day will be self sufficient in sophisticated defense products and that is quite an achievement by itself and it is just the beginning !!
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Apr 29, 2017 03:57am
@Zak Welcome back :). You nailed it.
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Apr 29, 2017 05:54am
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala As a Pakistani, I would urge you to please keep underestimating China and Pakistan. It's all junk. No need for India to worry.
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Apr 29, 2017 06:18am
Russia will not be happy that China and Pakistan will now compete with Russia to sell these to some developing nations.
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Apr 29, 2017 06:52am
@Antony Ooty yes it's special design for PAF and well suited for us. Yes it's not for Chinese Air Force because of their width and breadth of their geography so requirements are different so designs are different. It's excellent war machine for midsize countries for combat, operational and maintenance. Therefore there is lot of traction and attention from other countries in this airplane.
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Apr 29, 2017 06:56am
This is just replacement of old fleet if you want to know next generation design, please search Pakistan 5th generation planes that will be at par with latest technologies including stealth. It will be a indigenous. Proud of you Pakistan and your armed forces. You never let us down.
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Apr 29, 2017 07:09am
@Zak May be you are not reading Dawn these days......IMF mentioned a few things about Pakistani economy. You may want to catch up with that news item.
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Apr 29, 2017 08:00am
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala : I think you have not been to China lately. Things are not the same as they were 10 years ago. While growing up, I dad use to tell me how he would like to buy only 'English' made products & anything from Japan was crap. Then Japanese goods were excellent and South Korean products were getting a 'hammering'. Same is true for Chinese products. Just wait & see....
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Apr 29, 2017 09:35am
Proud of Pak Air Force
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Apr 29, 2017 11:47am
@ReADER ,china has more ghost towns than all of asia put together ,ask anyone around
shanghai , china losing 60 billion dollar every month and by 2019 it will be a smaller reserve
country than KSA .keep living in wonderland .
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Apr 29, 2017 03:17pm
@Danial PK Let me correct you. They are made in Taiwan. Now they are getting made in India.
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Apr 29, 2017 03:19pm
@optimist rajput Tejas is a totally indigenously developed plane and our navy has stringent requirements for aircraft that are supposed to operate from aircraft carriers. DRDO will take care of their requirements over a period of time.
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Apr 29, 2017 03:23pm
@IMTIAZ ALI KHAN The day we have people like you leading Pakistan, India and Pakistan will mend fences. I hope more people in Pakistan think the way you do and the same goes for India.
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Apr 29, 2017 03:25pm
@ReADER This must have happened in the 50s. The Japs got their act together only by the eighties. We are probably twenty years away from the Chinese getting there, provided the Chinese have a similar focus on quality.
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Apr 29, 2017 03:39pm
This single engine fighter is good for a third world country but on the world stage, that's a different story. Not a reliable/powerful engine, that's why Russians discarded it.
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Apr 29, 2017 03:41pm
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala : I thought Chinese were known for stealing technology from others.
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Apr 29, 2017 03:57pm
@Pk the answer to your question has been repeated ad infinitum for years. The Chinese wanted a higher spec fighter which is more expensive to buy, more expensive to operate and more expensive to maintain; namely the J10. The J10 is roughly equivalent to Pakistan's F16, that is the reason why the Chinese did not buy JF17, the JF17 was built for Pakistan's needs, not China's.
Pakistan did not need the J10 because we have F16's, its quite simple actually.
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Apr 29, 2017 04:00pm
@Oommen you obviously have no understanding of Jet Fighters. A fourth generation plane is regarded as such if it has Fly by Wire capability. JF-17 does have fly by wire. Try to do a little research before opening your mouth.
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Apr 29, 2017 04:06pm
@yogi Pakistan currently has the worlds fastest growing Nuclear stockpile and in 2016, has one of the fastest growing stock exchanges in the world. PSX returned 45% last year, perhaps you should read a little before trying to belittle others with your ignorance.
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Apr 29, 2017 04:08pm
@Sachin Russia is very happy to sell its russian RD-93 engines for JF-17 to Nigeria and Myanmar who have both confirmed orders for this aircraft.
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Apr 29, 2017 04:11pm
@sodawaterbottleopenerwala I don't know which dreamland you are living in virtually every economist in the world says China is about to overtake the US as the worlds largest economy!
There is disagreement over when it will happen, the range varies from roughly around 2022 to 2032. Much like the 20th century was a US dominated century, this is going to be a Chinese century, good for China's friends, bad for its enemies :-)
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Apr 29, 2017 04:15pm
@syedchaudhrygangadinkhan india uses the same engine in its mig29!
it was chosen as its probably the best most reliable, most cost efficient engine available. How is it been discarded when the engines are coming from Russia! The Mig 29's that Russia sells are still using this engine. So you are factually incorrect. The engines are not only built in Russia, they are still sold with russian aircraft like the mig 29 and the Mig 35.
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Apr 29, 2017 05:27pm
Such a shame Tejas is still on drawing board whilst Pakistan is manufacturing fighter jets for more than 10 years now.
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Apr 29, 2017 08:27pm
For Pakistan and china it is essential to develop Technology ' to shoot in comming missiles ' and GPS guided missiles. These Two technologies are utmost needed.
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Apr 29, 2017 09:47pm
Impressive show by Pak scientists and engineers who are as good as the best in the world. I wish I could applaud the actual achievement as well, but am unable to. This crazy arms race between two poor neighbouring countries who have so much potential, so much of talent, and yet are consumed by a murderous hate for the other, is apparently something only a few can weep about.
So I await with resignation the news of the Indian 'answer' to this 'milestone', cheered by Indians this time and mocked by Pakistanis. There will be a smattering of responses from people like me, once again lamenting this senseless competition when millions of our fellow citizens in both countries go hungry to bed. The situation looks grim, and the only silver lining is the presence of people like Imtiaz Ali Khan, who continue to have faith in a common humanity.
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Apr 29, 2017 10:07pm
I know a lot of people here will react negatively but I have to say that the JF-17 looks only like a slight upgrade to the retired Nanchang A-5 Fantan which itself was based on obsolete Mig-19 technology. The JF-17 is still behind times when it comes to latest technology as it still does not feature full fly-by-wire (it has it only on the pitch control) which was introduced on the F-16 decades ago and most modern aircraft have it as standard. The engine is Russian as the Chinese do not have the capability to manufacture a reliable jet engine and are trying to reverse engineer the Mig-29's RD-33 engine.
All that being said, it is a newer aircraft and an improvement on the ones it is replacing and seems to be cheap and affordable for PAF's needs. But I have serious doubts if it can create any real challenge or concern for the most modern Western or Russian warplanes that IAF flies. Given the choice and funds I am sure PAF would have opted for a US or European aircraft over the JF-17.
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Apr 29, 2017 10:17pm
@Raja The difference is that Tejas is completely indigenous and not collaborative with another country. As a result it has spawned several home grown technologies including fly-by-wire which the JF-17 does not fully incorporate. All such technologies will benefit India for the AMCA which is now being developed. As for Pakistan developing these planes, please consider for a moment why all the development and test flights for JF-17 are happening in China and not locally in Pakistan?
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Apr 30, 2017 12:29am
@Oommen Teja (LCA) is not 4.5 generation and if anything it is borderline early 4th generation fighter with tons patchwork of foreign parts, GE engine for one and many more. FYI French Aerospace giant (I think) Thales is now HAL consultant after HAL experienced many design, reliability and critical safety issues through the years. India's problem (according to your own qualified experts) India put too much on her plate hence failure even after 33 years and pouring money (no one knows how much as estimates are high) like cement into this project did not help either!!
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Apr 30, 2017 12:32am
What is Pakistan's contribution in development of this aircraft?
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Apr 30, 2017 12:52am
@Antony Ooty Only your ignorance is strange as it was from the get-go Pakistan's specific fighter from major input and participation of Kamra/ PAF. But the proof of its success is that it has been been mentioned in prestigious aviation magazines and showcased in all international air shows for the last 8 years a proof that it has great sales potential specially after its two-seater introduction. And with successive phases (3/4 and beyond) this plane is constantly being evolved in terms of technology such as air--air refueling pod, better cockpit electronics, better thrust engine, easa- radar and greater percentage composite material with a vast variety of missiles from Brazil to Chinese will qualify it a truly 4th generation at fraction of cost !!
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Apr 30, 2017 08:11am
@IMTIAZ ALI KHAN may god bless you,, you have peace in your heart.
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Apr 30, 2017 08:33am
well did it fly?
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Apr 30, 2017 08:37am
@jamshed It is in service with which Airforce?
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Apr 30, 2017 09:36am
@carwala America is dreading the high tech development in Chinese military . So it means there is something in Chinese quality.
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Apr 30, 2017 09:53am
@Shah, Canada goods manufactured in China does not make it chinese. Fir instance I phone is built in China for labour cost that does not make it chinese.
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Apr 30, 2017 09:54am
@a blot on escutcheon Then why India is buying jets from other countries?
Simple ... Because we can.
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Apr 30, 2017 09:58am
@Akram Pakistan did not need the J10 because we have F16's, its quite simple actually.
Oh really. Then why were you begging for just 8 f 16 and why were you so offended when it was refused. Btw I hope you know it was mainly financed by US as you could not even party for it
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Apr 30, 2017 10:56am
@citizen;
Most JF-17s would be fitted with Chinese Taishan WS-13 engines, which is superior to Russian RD-33 for multiple reasons. The WS-13 is in the laststages of development and would enter production next year.
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Apr 30, 2017 11:25am
@The_Truth
Indians import only the rejected Chinese products. Good ones go to other countries.
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Apr 30, 2017 07:07pm
@Mustafa R. The Taishan is yet to be fully developed and already you have rated it better than the Russian engine. Remember that Russia has decades of experience with jet engines and China is still struggling to develop it's first reliable engine. By the way, the Taishan is based on reverse engineering of the Russian RD-33, so go figure.
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Apr 30, 2017 07:08pm
@something fishy "Indians import only the rejected Chinese products. Good ones go to other countries."
I am just wondering what quality of goods Pakistan imports from China given it's much lower buying power?
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Apr 30, 2017 08:05pm
@tangeewalA Pakistan air force (PAF) now operates 70 of them with 5th squadron just recently raised in Feb 2017 bringing total numbers in active squadrons to 90. PAF recently completed 20000 flying hours on them with only one accident since its introduction.
Several aviation magazine most notably "Air Force Monthly" reported the ceremony in its April 2017 edition. PAF has also participated in pretty much all international shows with a static display of the fighter with all its weapon systems with daily actual flying displays by our pilot. Cheers
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Apr 30, 2017 08:11pm
@Niks pakistan was not begging for anything, it makes sense to buy more F16's as we are already have the training and apparatus in place for it.
I can tell you are finding the grapes very sour. :-)
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Apr 30, 2017 08:13pm
@Ganesh I completely agree with you.
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Apr 30, 2017 08:52pm
@ReADER You are so right on the money.Japan in 1950s and sixties was mocked by none other than US for their substandard cars. But today Japanese products are de-facto standard of quality, reliability outright beauty and ergonomics and bonafide symbol of luxury. South Korea is almost there and China is coming along fast. They say in China: That whatever US/West can produce or do they can do it better cheaper and faster. China from net importer of defense equipment 15 years has become 3rd largest exporter after US and Russia. And India is now number one importer of defense equipment replacing Saudi Arabia and will continue at the top of the list for the next 15 years. China on the other hand will replace Russia as second largest exporter of arms in just 5 more years as many of its key defense products such as J-31(export version of its stealth fighter, J-10 d etc; other big ticket items such as submarines and naval ships) are coming out from development phase to production phase.
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Apr 30, 2017 09:20pm
Even Chinese Airforce won't buy this plane. It's made specific to Pakistan. & The Chinese buy from the Russians.
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