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Indian Minister for External Affairs Sushma Swaraj on Monday said that visas will be issued to Pakistani patients on the recommendation of Adviser to the Prime Minister on Foreign Affairs Sartaj Aziz.
Last week, the Indian Embassy rejected the visa application of Faiza Tanveer, citing deteriorating relations between the two countries as the reason for refusal.
Tanveer was due to receive treatment at the Inderprastha Dental College and Hospital (IDCH) in Ghaziabad for a recurrent ameloblastoma, a cancerous oral tumour which is aggressive in nature.
After Tanveer was denied her visa, she appealed to politicians in both countries to help facilitate her application.
"I have my sympathies for all Pakistan nationals seeking medical visa for their treatment in India," Swaraj said in the first of a series of tweets.
"I am sure Mr. Sartaj Aziz also has consideration for the nationals of his country," she said, adding, "I see no reason why should he hesitate to give his recommendation for nationals of his own country."
The Indian minister then brought up the visa application of Avantika Jadhav, the mother of Indian spy Kulbashan Jadhav, saying that it was pending in Pakistan.
"We also have a visa application pending for an Indian national Mrs. Avantika Jadhav who wants to meet her son in Pakistan," she said.
Swaraj said that Aziz had not acknowledged a personal letter she wrote to him, asking for Avantika's visa application to be approved so that she may travel to meet her son, who was sentenced to death by a military tribunal in Pakistan on charges of espionage and terrorism earlier this year.
"But I assure Pakistan nationals seeking medical visa with a recommendation from Mr. Sartaj Aziz, we will issue the visa immediately," Swaraj said in her final tweet.
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Jul 10, 2017 11:59am
Cat is out of bag, now let us know who has big heart & small heart?
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Jul 10, 2017 12:00pm
Good job, this is an Indian thing to do, proud of Sushma ji.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:01pm
Humanity should be kept first and above politics.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:11pm
Pakistan should issue the Visa to Ms. Avantika Jadhav on humanitarian grounds, so that she may see her son. India should issue Visas to Pakistani patients seeking medical help. Thank you Ms. Sushma Swaraj for your efforts.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:14pm
Master stroke by Sushma Swaraj
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Jul 10, 2017 12:16pm
Very good Ms. Sushma ji, we appreciate your message. Keep it up.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:16pm
actions speak louder than words.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:17pm
Please for the God sake don't allow people from both side die.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:18pm
No free lunch, Give counselor access to Kulbushan and get access to Indian Health care facilities.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:23pm
Very noble gesture Sushma jee, may god bless you! You clearly have the higher moral ground here.
Regardless of the status of Mr Jadhav's trial, he should not be denied the opportunity to see his mother. Human considerations should trump politics, even in times of overt war. Hope Pakistani authorities will show due consideration and allow Mrs Jadhav to visit her son.
We are now in the 5th generation of rivalry and tense relations - how long will this continue? Let's allow our coming generations to enjoy peace and be able to visit each other's countries like good neighbours do. There is no substitute to peace, love and harmony!
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Jul 10, 2017 12:25pm
The responsibility of Pakistanis getting proper, affordable medical care lies on Pakistani government not India or Indian government.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:29pm
@Give and Take
Even without Consular Access or Visa to his mother Ms Swsraj has agreed that Medical Visa for Pak National will be issued despite this independently but Mr Aziz has to issue a letter.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:31pm
Thanks Dawn. You people are simply great. Reported even the original Tweets! Superb!
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Jul 10, 2017 12:31pm
Pakistan politicians need to respond for the sake of their citizens. You cant accept everything from one side only.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:33pm
Indian govt has clearly mentioned long back, all medical visa will be given only on Mr Sartaj's recommendation. What is the issue here? Pakistanis can't even approach security advisor for a recommendation letter? Dont they have any social media access like Twitter or Facebook etc? Just send a message and ask for a recommendation letter.. Its that simple. Come on guys, save the patient, they are human being too :(
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Jul 10, 2017 12:39pm
@Indian I agree.
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Jul 10, 2017 12:42pm
Sartaz Aziz should immediately issue Visa
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Jul 10, 2017 12:43pm
Sartaz Aziz should endorsed recommendation immediately
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Jul 10, 2017 12:43pm
well said....Humanity must be from both end
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Jul 10, 2017 12:46pm
Superb from Indian Foreign Minister!!!
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Jul 10, 2017 12:54pm
What is the response of Mr. Sartaj Aziz on this issue?
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Jul 10, 2017 12:55pm
The ball is in your court Mr aziz
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Jul 10, 2017 12:55pm
One of the best politicians i have ever seen. kudos to FM of India
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Jul 10, 2017 12:58pm
Amazing how the Indian can find a way to make everything political. Good at games at the cost of human lives...
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Jul 10, 2017 01:00pm
Ball is in your court, Mr. Aziz.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:01pm
Pakistani government should show some humanity art least to its own citizens.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:01pm
Thankyou Dawn for maintaining all the transparency.
Respect.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:02pm
Classic Indian politicians, trying to appear generous while blocking things and putting blame on others. If you want to give a medical visa on "humanitarian grounds", then give.
Don't blame a foreign-minister, why should he personally approve every visa to every country?
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Jul 10, 2017 01:02pm
I don't think Indian Hospitals will provide treatment to Pakistani Nationals free of cost. It might be cheaper than treatment in Europe. So, at the end of day, it is business for Indian hospitals and If Pakistani patients are not allowed visa, they will lose business. After all, Hospitals are industry in many countries like the other industries they are looking for profit.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:04pm
@VM You are forgetting 11 crore rupees being contributed by Pakistani people for the release of 6-7 Indians held hostages by the Somali pirates few year ago, Ansar Burney trust helped in their release.
Also Pakistanis who go to India for medical treatment is charged as per their hospital charges for foreign patients, anything between 2 million to 3.5 million rupees, high for a middle class Pakistani family. It is all commercial medical tourism and not humanitarian.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:09pm
They do politics on medical issues also, these poloticians should not forget that they can also be caught in severe medical condition any day and then they will recall their playing political on ill people.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:22pm
Looking forward to another editorial from Dawn on the same subject --- now that it's Pakistan's turn to show some cooperation...
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Jul 10, 2017 01:24pm
@Faisal Malik why not, what's wrong in it ? Nothing is for free in this world.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:25pm
Well I think she has explained the position. Mr Sartaj Aziz needs to act and act fast.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:26pm
@SGH Well said SGH. Very well said.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:26pm
I am indian, and this is not correct thing done by Sushma ji. These 2 cases are very different. Also, India should not stoop to the level of Pakistan in issuing visas for humanitarian grounds. What is the difference between India and Pakistan if you also say and talk the same thing.
Be the bigger person, and please issue the visa for medical treatment unconditionally.
And Pakistan: Please issue visa to Jadav's mother. She should be allowed to see her son, even if he has committed any crime or not.
By the way, I am a Modi supporter. My whole family has voted for BJP for as long as I can remember in the past.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:27pm
@Ob *"Amazing how the Indian can find a way to make everything political. Good at games at the cost of human lives"*
Getting any visa to another country is a privilege not a right. Stop acting like you deserve it.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:29pm
@Human there is no dearth of patients from foreign countries queuing up to get treatment in India, demand is over exhausting all the time.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:31pm
Medical tourism is a commercial thing, Indian hospitals earns big sum from foreign medical patients compared to the local Indian citizens. Many related articles about the Pakistan patients being treated in India helps in boosting medical tourism income for the commercially run money minting hospitals in India.
It is all marketing strategy to come up with such news...
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Jul 10, 2017 01:31pm
@Human Even if it is business, it can't be one sided. Mind it that your country doesn't have capacity to provide with due treatment for your citizen. So, please face the reality instead of teaching others. It's always give and take; even in a barter economy. Ask Mr. Aziz to Grant visa to Mrs Avantika Jadav. Business or Humanity everything has to be from both end.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:33pm
I have no respect for this Indian FM as she gives you an impression of somebody kind hearted but in fact always plays politics with human sentiments.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:35pm
mr Sartaz aziz should give the gurantee for the pakistani cancer patient hope peace loving Pakistani citizens will get the point who is the obstruction here
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Jul 10, 2017 01:37pm
@Human
So, the patients should not visit India. Pls note they are not doing a favour to anyone. Let them take their business elsewhere.
Basic thing that is needed is simply acknowledgement of truth. You want the treatment and VISA but not willing to say, thank you. Bad taste.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:38pm
India has already made rule for VISA process. Why the citizen of Pakistan do not follow and ask their foreign minister for recommendation? In our country it is easy to get that.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:45pm
The recommendation should be from the authorities of Pakistan with all the medical records of the patient attached and should be wait for response.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:46pm
She has made is very clear that based on Mr Aziz recommendation she would issue visas to Pakistani citizens who are coming for medical treatment. As a FM of India she is right when she demands that Aziz should respond to her letters. The ball in clearly in both the cases with Mr Aziz.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:48pm
@Human - Yes, hospitals in India are also not making free treatment of Indian, so every one have to pay. BTW, Many patients get free treatment or charity collected by Indian citizen in India. But now its enough. FYI, in Industry customers are king and selection is their own decision, its not force full.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:48pm
@Human - Indian hospitals are not providing free of cost for Pakistanis. But, it is cheapest in the world because most of the hospitals have adopted the technique used by the Ford for making car affordable for common man. Factory line concept - mass, continuous, streamlined surgeries to keep cost low. Add to this, Indian government and state government insurance schemes and tie-up with private hospitals for poor which makes it possible for poor people to get advanced treatment like Heart surgery at affordable prices.
You can see al-jazeera and other international news channel documentary on this.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:51pm
@Afridi Same applies for both the country
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Jul 10, 2017 01:56pm
Spend less on Metro buses and orange trains and more on hospitals, health services.
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Jul 10, 2017 01:56pm
@Qasim , Then why Indian FM needs to approve each visa application personally on Twitter request??
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Jul 10, 2017 01:58pm
Sushama ji is a great lady . Best foreign minister in world very human
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Jul 10, 2017 02:00pm
Well said mrs Sushma ji now the cat is out of bag.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:03pm
@Aleem - Yes I agree......respect for China, they will provide Treatment
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Jul 10, 2017 02:08pm
Pakistan needs to show some gratitude for the courtesy shown by India. Last time, Ms Swaraj approved the medical visa for a 2 year old Pakistani child, but there was no appreciation from Sartaz Aziz or the Pakistan government. You are first to jump and claim that India is a country that lacks toilets, but don't see that your own country lacks a sense of gratitude.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:10pm
Great, Great, Simply Great Sushma Swaraj. Aziz does not know time just roll over. She complained that he
does not have courtesy not responding. now let us see does he have concern to his people atleast.
She is great, She contended from one of the places from karnatak, Bellari, that time, she even learnt Kannada to an extent and use to give speeches in Kannada. During that time, Sonia Gandi almost nervous and scared.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:10pm
@Qasim because your country has put in that new rule
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Jul 10, 2017 02:11pm
@gungo Wasting lot on creating problems in other countries, Pakistan has nothing left to spend on its own people.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:13pm
@Aslam Even Sushma need not to be issue VISA over Recommendation letter, only thing the pakistani should do is ask their AZIZ Sahib for medical Visa Recommendation , rest job will be done by our consulate at any Pakistani city
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Jul 10, 2017 02:14pm
@N.Sid 'It is all commercial medical tourism and not humanitarian.'
No one has forced a gun to your head and said that you must get treated in India only. Seek treatment in other countries if you feel that way but don't complain when there are rules to be followed. Now it is upto Sartaz Aziz to decide - maybe he will provide his recommendation or perhaps not and leave Faiza to her fate.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:15pm
@Human - Who gave you the idea that Indian hospitals provide anything for free or provide any preferential treatment. For Indian hospitals, a patient from Pakistan is just like any other patient who avails treatment; and they will be charged according to their normal billing mechanism.
The difference is actually to Pakistani patients. Some of the multi-speciality and super-speciality hospitals in India are world class. At the same time the costs of treatment are a low fraction of comparable treatments in any Western country. Further, if you factor in the travel costs & accommodation costs, who can beat India?
One other important factor is the visa restrictions by Western countries. How many low income earners in Pakistan could actually prove their financial capacity to support their visa to Western countries?
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Jul 10, 2017 02:16pm
@Ishant The responsibility of Pakistanis getting proper, affordable medical care lies on Pakistani government not India or Indian government.
Pakistani people are getting the service after paying a hefty some to Indian hospitals...It is no charity and not doing any favor. In fact Pakistani patients are doing a favor by going to India and marketing the Indian hospitals.
BTW one patient or a few hundred patients in years doesn't makes a spring. There are dozens of hospitals in Pakistan which treats cancer, the backlog and timelines are the issue. So far 1600 Afghan patients has been treated in SHCMH in Lahore Pakistan of Cancer disease, free of cost and incurred a cost of 1.6 billion Pak rupees all contributed by Pakistanis...any parallel in India...
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Jul 10, 2017 02:16pm
@Aleem *"I have no respect for this Indian FM as she gives you an impression of somebody kind hearted but in fact always plays politics with human sentiments"*
That's what you think. You have no idea how much she's loved by Indians. Scores of Indians were volunteering to donate one of their kidneys when she was admitted in the hospital with a kidney ailment. How many Pakistanis would do that for a Pakistani politician???
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Jul 10, 2017 02:20pm
A solid argument by Sushma Swaraj. Let the Pakistani politicians know how important is the Indian visa for their national.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:22pm
@Ob Really? Are every doctor and medical institution on both sides of the border are honest and genuine that we could take their words when the situation is not friendly?
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Jul 10, 2017 02:23pm
@Sandeep Ms Swaraj has said in tweet, regardless everything she will give Visa provided that Mr Sartaj Aziz forwards it. Which means even if Pakistan does not acknowledge , leave alone reply to Ms Swaraj's letter requesting Mr Jadhav's mother's Visa , still she is ready to provide medical Visa.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:26pm
@Sandeep Really, so you think everyone who says they needs a medical visa should be given one, especially as both countries are accusing the other of infiltration with harmful intentions?
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Jul 10, 2017 02:28pm
@Human India has population of more than one billion people and doesnt need your patients to do well. The treatment is a goodwill gesture, pure and simple.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:29pm
@Aleem why you blaming sushma Swaraj? Their is a procedure for Pakistan citizen to get visa to visit India. Id it her fault if Pakistan is not following the visa regulation?Can you visit China without finishing the visa formalities?can you visit US without finishing visa procedure?infact sushma swaraj issued the visa to Pakistani patient earlier despite not following the procedure just by reading the tweet from pak patients...why not blame sartaz Aziz who's not giving recommendation to Pakistani patient who's in urgent need of treatment?
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Jul 10, 2017 02:38pm
@Qasim to verify the authencity of the case and ensure that only genuine case are given medical visa. I hope u can understand this.
And Sushma Swaraj is not denying visa to any genuine case. So whats your problem here?
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Jul 10, 2017 02:41pm
Human life is important and sacred.
In future, to save time and avoid frustration, it would be much better if some Pakistani authority or NGO could vet and confirm genuine medical cases for Sartaj Aziz's approval. Once the Pakistani FO provides their approval the Indian embassy should be more than willing to immediately issue visas for genuine cases.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:51pm
Why cannot Mr.Aziz issue a simple recommendation letter and sort our the issue? When the Indian FM can spend the time to tweet the solution, why cannot Mr.Aziz spend five minutes to issue a letter?
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Jul 10, 2017 02:53pm
If India has a policy change regarding issuing of Visas on medical grounds(or rejecting the visas) they should come up with a clear and precise policy statement. If they are not issuing medical related visas than it is fine..it is just that there are confusion and patients doesn't knew about it.
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Jul 10, 2017 02:54pm
@Ali we have enough of medical issue in our country to take care of.
Hospitals are over burdened these days.
Also Visa of one country is not a right, its a priviledge
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Jul 10, 2017 03:01pm
@Vinay Kumar No one is complaining here dude, it is all about paid medical service and not a charity work. In the service industry you cannot work like this.
...and it is pretty obvious that patients who applies for the Indian visas also submit a proof of doctors recommendations about the case history and about the appointment in the Indian hospital, a letter from the Indian side...so no need for foreign ministry approval. India is making it cumbersome for a different reason.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:01pm
@Rahul Bravo! hit the nail on its head. Also, there are so many countries int eh world, including China where Pakistani patients will be welcome and treated for free.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:04pm
@Ob You should be thankful that we consider these requests with human spirit. What did you take a nation for, if you cant treat your own unwell. Your PM can afford a surgery in UK but not the common people.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:04pm
Thanks Dawn for publishing this news. I always stick to basic of transparency. Let the viewers across the border take a look at the reality.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:08pm
I think Mr. Aziz need few days to respond
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Jul 10, 2017 03:11pm
@Aleem We don't expect you to appreciate her kind gesture to respond of a common citizen of Pakistan in person. W also don't expect your condemnation for Sartaz Aziz for not responding to the letter of Sushma Swaraj in person.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:12pm
Irrespective of the political situation India should issue the medical visa. It is the right thing to do. And for a Cancer patient time is of foremost importance.
But its disgraceful that the so called leader of the Ummah, the sole muslim nuclear power, the red metro bus, the gleaming expressway etc etc ...and still its unlucky citizens needs to beg other nations for medical treatment. Utterly shameful.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:16pm
@Akhand Bharat You just touched where it hurt the most: our PM traveling to UK for expensive surgery while the people are too poor for medical treatment at home. I really can not say much here but to my deep feeling of extreme sadness.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:18pm
@Human
Its not just about business or cheap treatment, its about specialized treatment which is not available everywhere. Pakistanis obviously are benefited that such specialized treatment at affordable cost is available in India, unfortunately Pakistan has lost this opportunity to let its own citizens avail of medical aid.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:18pm
Granting of visa on the basis of humanity must not require endorsement of the foreign minister of a country but should be decided on the merits of the case. I fail to understand the logic of Ms.Swaraj's comment unless she is trying to link it with the case of Mr Yadhav. Clearly, granting the visa to spy's wife is very different from a very ill patient.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:19pm
@N.Sid
Are you aware that many pakistani patients have been recipients of donations for free treatment in India? I am sure you are not aware.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:21pm
@Aleem
Its understandable, you have not been exposed to such people in your country at all.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:23pm
@Afridi than show humanity and give visa to jadavs wife! We are not the only one responsible for humanity!
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Jul 10, 2017 03:25pm
@Ob
"Amazing how the Indian can find a way to make everything political. Good at games at the cost of human lives..."
What is so political Sir
If Mr Aziz cant make out how serious a patient in Pakistan is, Do you expect Ms Swaraj to do that also
Have a heart..
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Jul 10, 2017 03:26pm
Atleast Sushma Swaraj Madame respondes immediately. Does your Sartaz Aziz even bother
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Jul 10, 2017 03:27pm
@Faisal this protocol was asked for earlier and not in current case,what is holding your foreign office to issue a lettar after all they are your own people.What she has stated is clear,the merit of the case or otherwise has to be cleared by your own office first before it is cleared in India where in we dont know who the person is.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:28pm
I am saying from long time, people and Media from both countries should come out in open and support each other...Time to forget politicians ... But we people are Coward and full of Hatred, so will never want to compromise !
Can you come out for Peace..
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Jul 10, 2017 03:28pm
Why did Mr. Aziz not give recommendation?
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Jul 10, 2017 03:32pm
@Aleem - Kind hearted with whom??? She's an Indian foreign minister. Not Pakistan's. She has zero obligations towards Pakistani citizens whatsoever. Pakistanis getting good treatment is your country's responsibility. Not ours.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:33pm
I am surprised that there is no response from Sartaj Aziz on this issue till now.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:33pm
@Ali They do politics on medical issues also, these poloticians should not forget that they can also be caught in severe medical condition any day and then they will recall their playing political on ill people.
Don't worry about our politicians we have facilities to look after our good politicians worry about your people and politicians who have to look outside for any medical treatment
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Jul 10, 2017 03:35pm
@N.S - The requirement for a recommendation from Pakistan's foreign minister (or advisor) was communicated several months back. It is up to the applicant to know and understand the rules of the country they are visiting.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:35pm
Cheap act by Indian FM.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:38pm
@Akhand Bharat i think your comments are in bad taste,do remember that a few decades back we were also in the same condition and continue to be to a certain extent if you consider our huge population viz the health care facility we have,if we can,we should help in this matter with protocol in place.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:41pm
@sami cheap treatment too, for which you people requests.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:44pm
Sartaj Aziz please let go of your ego, please let go of your hard stance of not giving recommendation. People of India and Pakistan need peace.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:45pm
@N.Sid no boss i beg to disagree,if all what you said is correct,than it will take yr foreign office 2 minutes to issue the lettar and matter is over.
This will help in 1 more way,if protocol is set,it will be easier for others to follow to avoid this unnecessary publicity which is the last thing a family in distress will want.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:47pm
The first thing sushma ji should do is to save the patient so please don't let patients suffer. Politics and blame game can be played later. Agreed India has many superspeciality hospitals but I'm also surprised at Pakistan not having enough medical facilities. Imran Khan built a cancer hospital!
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Jul 10, 2017 03:47pm
Why is Pakistan behind in health care? why Pakistan doesn't allocate sufficient money for its health care in its budget?
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Jul 10, 2017 03:47pm
In this episode, one glaring truth stands out...that it is not China or any other country in the world that average Pakistanis can feel at home for a medical treatment. That deep in our conscience, a bond exists...at least u have that feeling that India is where u will feel home away from home, because we are all children of the same ancient civilisation. No amount of iron brother can replace India. At least acknowledging this simple truth will be helpful.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:47pm
@N.Sid - Treatment and entry into a foreign country are two different things, buddy. I don't think any Pakistani has complained that should NOT be charged for services rendered - so your point regarding "Pakistani patients are doing a favor by going to India and marketing the Indian hospitals" has no relevance.
The topic being discussed is about a visa and a simple requirement of a recommendation from the foreign office in Pakistan for their own citizen. Could have been done when Faiza asked for it and it can even be done now. India is waiting to provide the visa.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:49pm
It is only Indian government who will consider a spy terrorist same as patients from Pakistan.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:50pm
what is wrong in Sushmaji condition ? its an external affairs ministry work, some one should take responsibility. Well done Sushmaji.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:55pm
playing politics with patients is good???? Sad for Pakistan though as we have massive talent but no management in medical as well as other areas
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Jul 10, 2017 03:56pm
Now Indians are using patient visa for political purposes.
Also why can't we improve our medical care. If Indians can do it, why not us. Let's stop building Metros etc and give attention to health care.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:56pm
@behind : money is there but so is corruption
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Jul 10, 2017 03:56pm
Shame on you N league. You could not give this nation a single modern hospital in your three times prime ministership. You always fly to London for your. First class treatment but Poor nation has to beg Indian government for the treatment of their serious diseases. And your incompetent ministers keep boasting about the so called development and progress.
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Jul 10, 2017 03:59pm
will never spare a chance to play Politics ...
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Jul 10, 2017 04:00pm
Shame on Pakistan's governments who have let Pakistanis down by not building high quality and affordable medical facilities within Pakistan.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:01pm
Aziz bhai wake up and issued recommendation
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Jul 10, 2017 04:01pm
@Qasim Only Medical Visas are issued on priority.Normal Visas takes ages.If Pakistani brethren can contact and get approval from Indian Minister, Why Pakistani Minister is out of contact? Whether you accept or not, India had always been generous and will be so till eternity even will all political enmity.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:03pm
Propaganda & politics is first & foremost for Sushma Swaraj over any consideration of humanity.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:03pm
@Human -"If Pakistani patients are not allowed visa, they will lose business"
Maybe Business for India BUT very Sad If Pakistani Patients are not allowed Via they may lose their life !!
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Jul 10, 2017 04:04pm
@sami - What is cheap act? If you are an FM of a country, what would you do, if people send SOS in the twitter asking for the Visas on medical ground, where the policy is not to give Visa to the citizens of that country?
So, as a FM she has to setup some kind of process to streamline requests coming from twitter? What would you do , if you are a Foreign Minister?
You will act like Aziz saab and do not show the basic courtesy of acknowledge of receipt of letter or come up with some kind of process to handle such requests?
What will you do, if you are in that position?
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Jul 10, 2017 04:06pm
Patient can go to other country for treatment.
Shame on India.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:06pm
Putting everything aside, I can't imagine how come such facilities are not available in pakistan at normal price (not five star prices). The institute mentioned here is not even heard of on national arena. seems to be other normal hospital found in every big city (ghaziabad is not big city but now is part of National Capital Region, effectively making it part of delhi due to close proximity) & it is not looking like charging concessional rates. Rates if quite lesser compare to luxurious hospitals, still not subsidized.
Surprised how come treatment is not available in pakistan when sufficient looking fees is on offer...!!!
Forget government, local medical fraternity should take note & come up with solutions
Come on, you guys have made nuclear bomb & missiles.. this has to be comparatively easy.. (No sarcasm intended)
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Jul 10, 2017 04:07pm
O, come on Mr.Aziz
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Jul 10, 2017 04:12pm
@ N sid
Yr comment any parellel in India
Google Tata memorial hospital
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Jul 10, 2017 04:13pm
Typical Indians.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:14pm
@N.S It is very clear. For Medical Visas the Mr Sartaz has to recommend. That's the requirement for all the cases.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:15pm
@response He not only did not provide required recommendation to Pakistani citizen, he has also ignored Indian foreign minister letter. Is it arrogance or ignorance?
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Jul 10, 2017 04:16pm
@Ali Do not worry about politicians. They have special access every where and resources to avail them.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:16pm
@Khawar Saleem Aslam You will find faults with all and sundry but not your own government! Why don't you ask Sartaz Aziz to issues a recco? Not simple enough?
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Jul 10, 2017 04:16pm
@Ob really? The ball is in Aziz's court. Susan's has a history of going beyond politics. Does Aziz?
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Jul 10, 2017 04:18pm
@common & immaterial This is a fallacy to think that Pakistan doesn't have the cancer treatment facilities available just because this one patient of a few hundred patient in years seeks treatment in India.
There are a number of reasons for it and it is certainly not about non availability of cancer treatment in Pakistan. It is more about backlog, long timelines, and certainly huge number of patients in the waiting list. Cancer treatment can go for months and possibly for years including chemo and long treatment.
Lots of Pakistanis visits Pakistan from US for medical treatment including dental operations, which is very expensive in US, does that mean US doesn't have the treatment/facility, as without a health insurance it is difficult to get a health benefit in US.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:18pm
@Afridi Correct. But Pakistan also needs to show some humanity or else do not expect India or Ms. Swaraj to show humanity in every case.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:19pm
This is not good.first allow patients for treatment.then you will procied for counselor access to Kulbushan mother. Moreover make treatment free for Indian and some free of cost for Pakistanis also
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Jul 10, 2017 04:20pm
well said Shushma Swaraj mam you truely represent us we have sympathies for all those who are ill in Pakistan but Pakistanis Should have the courtesy to at least acknowledge Indias genrosity ...
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Jul 10, 2017 04:20pm
What is stopping Foreign Affairs adviser Sartaj Aziz from requesting Indian Foreign Ministry for the medical visas for Pakistanis who are in need ?
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Jul 10, 2017 04:20pm
@Syed Zafar Kazmi U.S.A You missed the point completely. There is a process for medical visa and thousands of Pakistani get it every year. It requires a endorsement from Pakistani foreign minister (or equivalent). We are making lot about one case where blame lies with Pakistani Foreign ministry.India did not deny the visa as paper work was incomplete.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:20pm
gratitude to her. All other matters aside, but this lady has always come forward for humanity. Which must be appreciated. So, let us Thank her for her kindness.
Jai Hind.
From Pakistan , peace love
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Jul 10, 2017 04:21pm
It shows humanity still there on the Indian side. Sartaj aziz should issue visa to kalbushans mum. We should use this platform to sort out our differences. I personally have no issues with india n it's people.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:22pm
@common & immaterial - You are right. This is normal hospital and never heard about this hospital name till now. It is not in the top super specialty in India. I do not know, how come Pakistan could not have these advanced cancer surgeries, which are available in the normal hospitals in India.
Pakistan needs to spend in education and health care. The day Prime Minister of Pakistan does not go to the London for surgery, then Pakistanis will know that Pakistan has super specialty hospital.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:22pm
@Etna.cincinati You can say blood brothers. If patient needs blood transfusion or marrow, he/she is most likely to get a match in India and not in China or US.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:24pm
@Qasim: What a ridiculous argument. And pray how do you expect the Indian Foreign Minister (not a low rank adviser) to clear every Pakistani visa?
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Jul 10, 2017 04:25pm
Humanity is not one sided. Also it's Mr Aziz only needs to recommed application for the visa
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Jul 10, 2017 04:25pm
Kulbhashan was NOT spy but a terrorism mastermind. Stop calling him just a spy.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:25pm
@Aran any parellel in India Google Tata memorial hospital.
TATA memorial treats about 5% of total patients free of cost and with the help of endowment funds for needy patients.
On the contrary SKMCH in Lahore and now Peshawar treats about 75% of patients free of cost and through endowment funds established by donations/charity including zakat donations. The yearly incurred cost on such treatment is now 500 crore per year and all contributed by donations by local and overseas Pakistanis.
As written earlier 1600 Afghan patients has been treated for cancer free of cost since its inauguration in 93, with incurred cost of 1.6 billion Pak rupees, all with donations by Pakistanis. Google search SKMCH to know more about it.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:26pm
@Ob india is not only destination there are other neighbouring countries having good medical facility.you can approach there. But you didn't give visa to a indian mother. Isn't it political?
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Jul 10, 2017 04:26pm
@Syed Zafar Kazmi U.S.A Not true. She laid out the procedure and not denied medical visa.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:29pm
@Ahmed Indians are not using medical visa for political purpose. Thousands of Pakistani get it every year with proper endorsement from Pakistani foreign ministry. It is not a news. Pakistani foreign ministry making it political by first not providing required recommendation and then blaming India. Every country has a procedure to get visa. Try getting visa for US or China?
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Jul 10, 2017 04:31pm
She nailed it!!
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Jul 10, 2017 04:31pm
@Afridi When elephants play it is grass that is crushed. Keep humanitarian issues away from national politics.Under our skin we are all the same.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:37pm
Instead of blaming us for everything why don't you start questioning your government which is sitting mum on this issue and not doing the needful?
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Jul 10, 2017 04:37pm
@Faisal: Get your facts right. It has been agreed by the two countries to follow this protocol for the time being. Secondly, from Indian side, there won't be any bureaucratic delays as assured by the Indian FM. And thirdly, it's his mother and not wife and there can't be any distinction on humanitarian grounds
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Jul 10, 2017 04:40pm
@N.Sid Most can't afford paying bills and it's Indian citizens who contribute and pay money for your citizens. Pakistani patient Nazia Tarikh Ahmed is one such example.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:41pm
Well come her by the open heart.......
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Jul 10, 2017 04:46pm
@Qasim Incorrect. When relationship is bad, no one can be trusted and only rare cases must get approval. Why Indian embassy would spend time and energy to find out genuine rare cases. Government official from Pakistan must take the ownership by endorsing the case. Plain and simple. Rule is set now people should comply instead of complaining.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:48pm
Ameloblastoma are routinely managed in all dental college of Pakistan and there are more than 35 dental college across Pakistan. There is no reason that foreign exchange should be spent on treatments which can be carried out in Pakistan.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:49pm
@Sandeep Sushmaji has not linked the two cases!!. She has just said that Mr. Aziz has to just recommend and medical visa will be issued immediately!!!. She has not told medical visa will be issued only after Pakistan issues visa to Jadhav's mother!!!. Read the article again!
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Jul 10, 2017 04:55pm
@Rohit Most can't afford paying bills and it's Indian citizens who contribute and pay money for your citizens. Pakistani patient Nazia Tarikh Ahmed is one such example.
Yes I read about her story and that is a good gesture by the fellow Indians...that doesn't mean the rest of Pakistani patients hasn't paid the bills, they were charged a hefty 2-2.5 million Pak rupees for operations be it liver or more for some others, can go further up than this.
BTW the number of Pak patients who has been treated in India so far is not more than 500, so should not be misconstrued as most Pakistani travel to India. The daily number of Patients visiting hospitals in Pakistan runs into lacs and could be in million considering a population of 220 million.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:55pm
2/2 The thing is specialty hospitals takes a case quickly and depends on the money paid upfront, in Pakistani hospital a patient cannot be admitted as a priority case just because he or she can dole out a few millions in no time, it is more about the merit in most government and charity run hospitals.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:55pm
@Mohit Shame on you. The matter here relates to a cancer patient seeking treatment. Refusing visas for medical treatment shows the real face of Indian government and Indians like you who support that pathetic behavior.
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Jul 10, 2017 04:57pm
Humanity should be shown by both the countries..It can not be a unilateral decision ...But all of the above i wish both of them get visa as one mother is eager to meet his son and another lady to save her life
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Jul 10, 2017 04:59pm
@Azhar please do your research before accusing someone. No one has refused visa. In fact the Pakistan FO has not followed protocol and recommend the person request visa. India can't just give out visas if no proper paperwork is submitted alongside it.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:00pm
As far as the issue of medical visa is concerned , the doctor's recommendation should be enough. Yes humanitarian issues from both sides should be above politics . We are all humans lets not forget it . I pray that the poor girls gets the visa for her treatment .
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Jul 10, 2017 05:01pm
@SagaR lol. Equating a terrorist with civilians seeking med help is big hearted. Good going.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:02pm
Excellent!
Personally, I am not a great fan of the BJP, nor that of Mr. Modi, but this is just perfect!
Ms. Swaraj is learning the tricks of the trade of diplomacy. Bravo Sushamaji!
International relations work on the principle of reciprocity. Especially so in the matter of visas.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:05pm
@Qasim there are issues going on between two blood brothers pk and in for your kind information. And india has blocked all visa as policy. On humanitarian ground they have agreed to accept rarest cases recommended by mr sartaj. Whats the problem with him in endorsing a recommendation letter when indian foreign minister can reply to all twits of such a huge country? Politicians and govt servants are not your masters. Rather citizens are.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:07pm
@Human your point is relevant but in a developing country with 1.25 billion people and growing do you think there is a dearth of patients for hospitals to flourish. Every give and take is a business transaction yet we have relationship between parents, siblings and neighbours where a routine give and take has a human angle. The day we take away humanity from transaction is the day we are poorer as humans
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Jul 10, 2017 05:10pm
@Sandeep I dont think its a reluctance to issue visa but rather to hold someone as higher as Mr. Aziz accountable for every visa issued for the same purpose. Even a good deed has to be backed with due diligence given the strained relationship between the two countries. Its a shame but its the reality of our times
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Jul 10, 2017 05:10pm
@Indian True soul you are right ..Why should common peopel suffer because of political relations
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Jul 10, 2017 05:16pm
@Nawaz
I agree Mr. Nawaz
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Jul 10, 2017 05:18pm
@Afridi Humanity has to work both ways. Isn't allowing a mother to see his son incarcerated in a Pakistani jail humanitarian enough? India has allowed medical visas to Pakistani nationals in the past and will do so in the future. What about Pakistan meeting it's obligations towards humanity?
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Jul 10, 2017 05:20pm
@Qasim
Please give this humanity lesson to Mr Sartaz. He is responsible for ur countrymen. His one letter can life of one Pakistani.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:26pm
Please ask the lady to go to Tata memorial Mumbai.Hope this lady will get well soon
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Jul 10, 2017 05:26pm
Pakistanis should contribute to send the woman to anywhere else. There's nothing more than self-respect.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:32pm
@Pk Tata hospital is out of her league, govt hospital would do.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:32pm
Great Sushmaji.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:37pm
Ameloblastoma can be treated in Pakistan. There are capable surgeons there who could do the surgery. Why they are not coming forward to offer their services.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:38pm
@ZAK Are you sure..
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Jul 10, 2017 05:40pm
Political scoring
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Jul 10, 2017 05:41pm
@Anuj
Tata Memorial in Mumbai & Kolkata are Government Hospitals under Department of Nuclear Energy though Tata Group's donations 'every year' are around Rs 5.billions. Tata Mumbai is the best in Asia and less expensive than any other Hospital in India treating Cancer Patients.
Further there are many NGO's working there for providing free accommodation to family, food, medicines, financial help.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:41pm
@Qasim Is it the Indian Foreign minister job to approve visas ?
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Jul 10, 2017 05:45pm
all said and done when can we see Pakistan s own hospitals providing quality medical facilities.Why cant seek help from china..
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Jul 10, 2017 05:45pm
When i come to know abt Faiza Tanveer case i personally tweeted to Indian FM and there is her reply.How abt pakistani hv u requested to ur FM to issue recomendation?
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Jul 10, 2017 05:45pm
@Abdul Khan Please don't just Google and give suggestions. Medical reports and expert opinions are more important. There are complications within the cancer which are not treatable in Pakistan, as per the experts and that's why they want to incur the cost of travel to and stay in India.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:46pm
please follow @Kensid2 on twitter, immediate Visa was given without Mr Aziz's letter. That's Humanity!!
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Jul 10, 2017 05:47pm
god i love this women
aziz saab ball is in ur court, will u let the women die, for request for the vsa
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Jul 10, 2017 05:48pm
Had a Pakistani caught in India with charges of espionage, Ms Sushma would have played her active role in punish him the next moment. Shameful to even think of equating a terrorist operating from her country on our soil having made confessional statements twice with innocent people looking forward for some better health care facilities.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:53pm
@Aleem no one is forcing you to respect her.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:56pm
@ABID Ashar "Ameloblastoma are routinely managed in all dental college of Pakistan and there are more than 35 dental college across Pakistan. There is no reason that foreign exchange should be spent on treatments which can be carried out in Pakistan."
Good point raised by you. Many a patients need guidance about the right treatment, and need to believe in it.
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Jul 10, 2017 05:56pm
@Qasim , habibi its because for medical visas in India, Foreign ministry of Pakistan has instructed to External affairs of India. This is from your governments instruction
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Jul 10, 2017 05:58pm
@Sandeep India is NOT denying the visa. India is simply asking that Sartaj Aziz provide a letter of recommendation. All medical visa applications with his recommendation will be immediately approved. Why should Pakistan hesitate to facilitate their own citizen?
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Jul 10, 2017 06:11pm
@Ob please read. She hasn't said until mrs jadhav gets a visa we will not give. She simply said all those who need medical visa just need a letter from Mr aziz. It's not political at all. Just showing that Mr Aziz hasn't even acknowledged her letter
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Jul 10, 2017 06:12pm
@Maxx .But Indian hospitals take much better care at affordable charges. Unfortunately in Pakistan the performance of famous private,semi- private as well government hospitals is not upto standard, in recent past more than 200 patients died due to toxic meducines given to them from hospital store, while in Karachi 3 most famous hospitals are charging more than 4 times to what the Indian hopitals charges. These are few reasons why these days patients from Pakistan apply to be treated in Indian hospitals. Even the Pakistani politicians prefer to get treatment abroad for minor complaints like toothache,backache,or just check up in Dubai or London.
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Jul 10, 2017 06:16pm
@Maxx hey! I'm a surgeon from Bombay and I dont think we need this. We have been operating for free on such patients, we had one from Pakistan and we arranged the stay and all the treatment! And yes we do get patients from around the world because Healthcare is affordable and the best. Let's not insult doctors and other paramedics who work hard to save lives. Irrespective of nationality.
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Jul 10, 2017 06:17pm
@ANZ "Irrespective of the political situation India should issue the medical visa. It is the right thing to do. "
Visas are not an entitlement. If Sartaj Aziz provides a letter, visa will be granted. Why does he hesitate to facilitate his own citizen?
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Jul 10, 2017 06:31pm
@Tayyab "will never spare a chance to play Politics ..."
This rule is new. When earlier thousands of Pakistanis availed medical visa, was there any story in Pakistan expressing gratitude?
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Jul 10, 2017 07:07pm
@Azhar Do not forget over 1lakh visas issued to pakistani citizens last year.
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Jul 10, 2017 07:32pm
@Syed why don't you have these facilities ?
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Jul 10, 2017 07:38pm
@yahya
Don't define everything as per your convenience.
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Jul 10, 2017 09:07pm
She has no humanity left !
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Jul 11, 2017 12:38am
An interesting question
Let Pakistan give an authority to Ms Susma to issue Visa to Indian national to visit Pakistan.
Not a single Visa would be rejected by her.
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Jul 11, 2017 03:12am
There is huge difference between convicted spy and a cancer patient.
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Jul 11, 2017 06:23am
Ye mera India - big heart!!
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Jul 11, 2017 09:33am
@Qasim Because brother, that is what was agreed between the two countires....!!
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Jul 11, 2017 10:11am
@Qasim not for every country. this is the proper channel like we indians follow so pakistanis must have follow this. and we are not friendly countries therefore recommendation of sartaz aziz is mandatory. after all they are your people first so work for them. why you have a hesitation ???
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Jul 11, 2017 11:04am
What a shame ....we cannot cure or take care of our own sick patients...if we cannot take care of sick ...can we take care of healthy people...
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Jul 11, 2017 12:00pm
why aren't you people coming up with a good health care facility? Its been a quite time now that we are receiving medical tourists. Back home we have billions to serve , please don't put extra pressure on us.
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Jul 11, 2017 01:26pm
Are these two scenarios comparable ? I think treatment of patient should not be compared with any other issue.
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Jul 11, 2017 05:31pm
What a silly joke?
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Jul 11, 2017 05:40pm
@Sandeep She didn't put up condition, she requested to kindly allow mother to see her son too.
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Jul 11, 2017 06:53pm
Please to learn, India understands health comes before poilitcs. It would be good if all Asain countries could work. To gather & achieve the end goal on the grounds of humanity.
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Jul 11, 2017 07:09pm
What the hell is Sartaj Aziz doing? Write a simple recommendation man, your fellow citizen is dying!
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Jul 12, 2017 07:06am
Thank you Azizji and shushma ji!
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Jul 12, 2017 12:03pm
@Mike : Because common people are not forcing the government to behave.
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Jul 13, 2017 09:31am
The media should check the details of their news.
I am happy Sushma Swaraj has cleared the misunderstanding about the medical visas. Now Mr Sartaj Aziz should hurry up and do the needful so that the patient is not kept waiting any longer.
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