US refuses to share data on F-16s with India
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WASHINGTON: The United States government has declined to share with India information on the use of F-16 fighter jets by the Pakistan Air Force during a recent dogfight, the Indian media reported on Sunday.
“Soon after we were informed by the Indian side about Pakistan using F-16 aircraft on Feb 27, we informed the Indians that we will not be sharing any information on the subject as it is a bilateral matter between the US and Pakistan,” a US official told Indian Express.
The official said that India understood the US position, which was not India or Pakistan-specific. “If a third country tomorrow wants information about the C130 or C17 or Apaches that the IAF uses, our answer would be the same. It is a bilateral matter between India and the US,” the official added.
The subject is a bilateral matter between Washington and Islamabad, Indian newspaper quotes an American official as saying
The Indian Air Force had complained to the Pentagon in March that Pakistan had violated the end-user agreement on F-16 by using the jets for offensive against India. The IAF also displayed parts of an AMRAAM beyond visual range air-to-air missile to prove its claim that Pakistan deployed US-made F-16 fighter jets during the Feb 27 dogfight with its planes.
Pakistan had categorically denied the Indian claim, saying that no F-16 fighter jets were used. It also rejected another Indian claim that the IAF shot down a Pakistani F-16 jet as totally baseless.
Pakistan, however, brought down an Indian plane and also captured its pilot who was released on March 1 as a goodwill gesture telecast live on both Indian and Pakistani TV channels.
Foreign Policy, a US magazine, reported recently that a US count of the Pakistani F-16s determined that none of them were “missing” and all the fighter planes were “present and accounted for”. The report contradicted India’s claim that the IAF had shot down an F-16 jet in Azad Kashmir.
Read: ISPR releases 'proof' further contradicting Indian claim of shooting down F-16
Published in Dawn, April 29th, 2019
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Apr 29, 2019 08:16am
So what? The point is...
Gordon D. Walker
Canada
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Apr 29, 2019 08:17am
Another blow to India...
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Apr 29, 2019 08:19am
Another embarrassment for our neighbor?
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Apr 29, 2019 08:20am
They are not going to tell the public or a newspaper that they shared info, come on, grow up !!
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Apr 29, 2019 08:21am
*"US refuses to share data on F-16s with India"*
Meaning there's something to hide.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:24am
All Fighting Falcon's are present and correct..
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Apr 29, 2019 08:30am
Peace will benefit both the nations. Conflict will benefit those who sell arms. Arm selling nation's goal is to sell more arms, may not be peace. They can sell arms to both conflicting nations, like during Iran Iraq war.
Fools fight and others profit from it.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:31am
Modi still might win.... Congress seems to be in a very bad shape. High stakes for Kashmir.
Good for few bad for fewer.
Gordon E. Walker - SA
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Apr 29, 2019 08:32am
US is best friend of India. Info has already been shared this is just to manage the world.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:34am
Information is already shared in the background.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:34am
Just to recap again the facts! Indian has shot down some trees in Balakot. As a response, Pakistan strikes 6 different locations in India with no casualty, just to show its capabilities. Pakistan also shot down 2 Indian planes, one fell inside Pakistan and other in Indian occupied Kashmir. IAF Wing Commander was captured and later release by Pakistan as good will gesture.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:35am
india is just still in state of shock and shame how Pakistan beat the he’ll out of IAF. Really is very unsettling sometimes.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:37am
Why not share...something fishy...
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Apr 29, 2019 08:37am
The point is India is very angry that why did PAF use the F-16s. That's cheating.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:37am
More you press more embarresment for India.
Oh elections are not over yet.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:38am
Neither the Su30 nor rhe F16 was shot down. The evidence Indians are showing on the radar can easily be simulated. People need to move on.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:38am
This shows something is hidden
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Apr 29, 2019 08:38am
Modi wins the election and that will be end of it
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Apr 29, 2019 08:39am
Poor India! Can't get a break.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:39am
point is the contract is secret and under the contract no information should be shared with third country. That's it!!
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Apr 29, 2019 08:42am
Sooner or latter US has to share all details of F16 with India, India is putting more and more pressure on US on the violation of F16 agreement between Pakistan and USA.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:43am
No need. America is independent, as is India. Asking is necessary, but nations take decisions in their interest, like the SS-400 purchase.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:44am
In case a F-16 was used and shot down, would US share this information with rest of the world? This will ruin the market of F-16. Hence, not sharing this information is in the best interest of US.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:48am
@Ali Ahmed, they are offering F35 which we are ignoring
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Apr 29, 2019 08:51am
Taliban talks are on , US doesn't want to embarrass Pakistan at this juncture. Everything will come to surface with time
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Apr 29, 2019 08:52am
@Ali Ahmed, “Sooner or latter US has to share all details of F16 with India,”
Ok we will wait.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:53am
There is something fishy with f16..truth will comeout but may take sometime
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Apr 29, 2019 08:54am
india should be concerned more with the helicopter it shot down in friendly fire which caused the death of 6+ indians. The families of the dead indians should file a case against the incompetence of indias air force and defence personnel.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:55am
India is a pack of lies
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Apr 29, 2019 08:56am
Kindly let us count your su30mki's because the amraam that you displayed definitely hit something. And that something was an indian plane.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:02am
@S khosa, "Why not share...something fishy..." Read the article again.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:05am
This statement is for public consumption. The US indeed shared all the details that India demanded.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:07am
To settle the issue once and for all, India has decided to buy an old F-16 and shoot that one down. Foolproof arrangement has been made to ensure that another Indian jet is not in the air at that time.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:14am
@S khosa, when your govt doesn’t want to provide evidence for the surgical strikes and number of men killed then you are happy and say confidential info but here a biased attitude.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:18am
Another Slap.....
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Apr 29, 2019 09:19am
Just be a sane man and think why US will share f16 information with India?? if they do it is going to harm their defense sells in future, why do a country buys a stuff if u give its information to their enemies??
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Apr 29, 2019 09:20am
India must admit its failure now.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:20am
We are ready to wait. It took many years for Pakistan to acknowledge their soldiers participation. We had the soldiers body, ID but still Pakistan said it is all fake. Truth will come out soon.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:22am
Why it's even discussed?
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Apr 29, 2019 09:22am
India is too much excited to gather details about F-16s, the details about Rafales also submitted by IAF to Indian Supreme Court, the case is subjudice. The Indian media also commenting on academics of technical nature of modern planes. The manufacturer of these highly advance US planes itself caught in frenzy about recent malfunction of sensors system MCAS, and AOA ( angle of attack) of the Boeing 737 Max 8. Won’t it could be better if we forgot planes,and their aeronautical engineering, and pay attention to betterment of our people.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:24am
@Rahshid KHAN, We had it on Indian Express yesterday itself. Suggest you read it once again. You will come to know only a day after, even if the world ends.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:25am
Bilateral agreement should be respected.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:29am
Enough whining, India; you lost the dog fight, end of story.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:30am
India cannot digest the fact that 'JF-17 THUNDER' roared their MIG-29 Bison.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:36am
the data would have been given instead.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:38am
@Akash, Okay and they told you this?
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Apr 29, 2019 09:45am
Snother slap on the fsce of Indians. Their lies have been exposed to the world. Shame on them!
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Apr 29, 2019 09:48am
One More setback to Indians!!
Cry India Cry!
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Apr 29, 2019 09:48am
@Akash, “The US indeed shared all the details that India demanded.”
Good. So India can stop whining now.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:49am
Tells everything..
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Apr 29, 2019 09:52am
India still can’t forget what happened to them, seems like they can’t sleep in night
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Apr 29, 2019 09:57am
US not ready to accept that a MiG can shoot down F16!
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Apr 29, 2019 10:05am
When you are reduced to complaining about an adversary's use of a weapon in self defence, there is nothing left to say only amusement at the desperation.
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Apr 29, 2019 10:07am
Let it go India!
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Apr 29, 2019 10:08am
and weeping from India. Let's see what next will come for those F-16. This is a lifetime nightmare for India. No wonder when India will do another adventure again to cover-up this global shame and it will hammed more ruthless again and again INSHALLAH!.
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Apr 29, 2019 10:21am
Another slap on indian face
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Apr 29, 2019 10:30am
No official communication. Only official quoted.
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Apr 29, 2019 10:32am
Israel already told India all the secrets! why bother?
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Apr 29, 2019 10:34am
India is 6 times bigger than Pakistan, its Army is 3 times bigger and its Airforce is more than 2 times bigger.
Instead of fighting India should rejoin the civilised world and implement UN Resolutions on Kashmir. The Indian Army reign of terror, murder, rape and torture in Kashmir should be brought to an end
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Apr 29, 2019 10:38am
Thats enough for India. Otherwise it would have been denial.
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Apr 29, 2019 10:40am
Another blurred hope for indians that IAF must have shot F-16 thats why USA is not ready to share information! Indians love to live in fools paradise!
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Apr 29, 2019 10:47am
What is the point in pursuing this with US. They sold F-16 to Pak and they don't really bother how they were used as long as Pal remains a loyal weapons importer.
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Apr 29, 2019 10:52am
I guess they shut the Indians up. IAF got trashed.
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Apr 29, 2019 11:09am
@Rahul, there is something called "Policies" which India and Indians fail to understand and the start their own conspiracy theories.
Try asking one of your local hawker/vender how much he earns a day, his answer would reach you a lesson or two about policies!
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Apr 29, 2019 11:09am
India and its obsession with F16. What difference does it make which aircraft did we use? The simply are trying to hide the embarrassment of self orchestrated Pulwana and Fake surgical strike.
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Apr 29, 2019 11:13am
Very fishy. Maybe US is hiding something
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Apr 29, 2019 11:13am
@Analyst, Its mig-21 bison not mig-29. Don't get so excited.
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Apr 29, 2019 11:16am
US would not be denying if nothing to hide.
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Apr 29, 2019 11:16am
India has no proof of shooting down F16, India shot down their own chopper by mistake and killed 6 Soliders which is not mention in their media. They are diverting attention to F16 which never took place.
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Apr 29, 2019 11:19am
India and warmonger Modi are a big danger for all neighbouring countries.
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Apr 29, 2019 11:22am
Embarrassment for India the agreement is between Pakistan and US stop poking nose in bilateral relations of other countries
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Apr 29, 2019 11:23am
Are Indians really that stupid to eat the lies of their government wholesale?
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Apr 29, 2019 11:29am
Is it the embarrassment for India or the denial by Pakistan and the U.S.?
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Apr 29, 2019 11:40am
Even if Pakistan used F-16 which Pakistan have every right to use against any external aggression, in this case it was clear cut Indian aggression.
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Apr 29, 2019 11:40am
Modi is being kicked by Trump every now and than.
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Apr 29, 2019 11:49am
Only the govt from both sides knows what has actually happened. And both have their own reasons to maintain silence. End of the story.
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Apr 29, 2019 11:56am
@Akash, Indians cant digest the shame and insult inflicted by Pakistan Air force. feel really bad for them.
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Apr 29, 2019 12:03pm
This is from "Indian Express" which I am copying here:
According to the US official, while India shared inputs which suggested the use of F-16 fighter jets by Pakistan, it has neither presented any evidence nor asked for any inputs about the shooting down of an F-16 by the IAF on February 27. He said the only evidence he has seen was “what was presented in the Indian media”.
I hope this would be eye opener for our neighbours.
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Apr 29, 2019 12:12pm
@sfomann, we are trying to let the innocent people of pakistan know the truth.
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Apr 29, 2019 12:22pm
@Shan, Listen boy, USA is never be a good friend of anyone.
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Apr 29, 2019 12:22pm
This is another major embarrassment for India, if it feels any. But they would still prefer to live in denial.
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Apr 29, 2019 12:29pm
Hello Indians before asking the F-16 data, search this news "IAF probe findings on India downing own helicopter put on hold".
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Apr 29, 2019 12:35pm
In the end USA won the game....
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Apr 29, 2019 12:49pm
The indian officials feel no shame in lying. This is embarrassing!
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Apr 29, 2019 12:50pm
One another blow on India lieing to their citizen of F-16 shooting ,US totaly reject the indian claim .PAF again win on IAF.Mr Denon indian airchief lie disclose.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:03pm
Let's stop for a minute to realize that only two F-35 Squadron can completely annihilate combined air strength of India & Pakistan.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:08pm
An another embresment for India,Now indian govt and their so called IAF got another humiliation ,lost 2 jets 1 copter + jali Pulwama drama , just to win election by Moody.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:09pm
@asgher, SO there is things that happened. Its This is a admission
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Apr 29, 2019 01:16pm
@Yasir, "Let's stop for a minute to realize that only two F-35 Squadron can completely annihilate combined air strength of India & Pakistan." And let's stop for two minutes to evaluate what will they gain by doing so.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:17pm
Indians remind me of my first school yard fight as a child when my opponent said we will fight but no kicking or punching. Now after having been defeated Indians now just trying to say Pakistan hit us with an F16.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:17pm
This is not the whole story reported. In other media outlets, it is said that India never asked to America to substantiate its claims of downing a PAF F16. Clearly, Indian establishment is making stories up about the F16 to hide their embarrassment.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:18pm
This proves there is something that happened
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Apr 29, 2019 01:19pm
@Iqbal hussain, I think you are overheated. Cool down and write again in English. You can do it.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:20pm
Indians love promoting fake news as usual who are claiming that information was shared. Grow UP India! And stop the childish false claims. Stop fake news, people are not stupid.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:27pm
That data would not have revealed anything as there was no evd
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Apr 29, 2019 01:28pm
@Rahul, do you really think that our relations with the US are cozy enough that someone in their administration would not leak the info as an attempt to embarrass Pakistan?
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Apr 29, 2019 01:30pm
That data would not have revealed anything as there was no evidence. They were saved embarrassment.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:33pm
Aren't India get tired of this endless humiliation?
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Apr 29, 2019 01:34pm
@Ali Ahmed, dont even imagine US under pressure by anyone?
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Apr 29, 2019 01:55pm
Every country in the world has a right to protect itself with what ever means available. Pakistan is no exception. F16 are not decoration pieces.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:55pm
It’s like the 100m Olympics where all the runners complain about Usain Bolt being too fast on his feet thus being an unfair race.
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Apr 29, 2019 01:57pm
@Rahul, You do not understand or dont want to understand. In any case, keep believing and be happy. Indian aircraft was shot down and the whole world saw it. If a Pakistani jet was shot down, that would have been visible as well as you can not hide anything in this age of technology and satellites imagery. Lets forget the past and think about the future. Lets work for peace and prosperity of both countries and people. We have to understand that both countries will have to live together and there is no point in destabilizing the other. Sooner Indians understand this better for everybody
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Apr 29, 2019 01:59pm
Each rejection or appproval , you learn something. India knows how to deal / maintain relations with other countries
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Apr 29, 2019 02:12pm
Everyone knows Pakistan lost an F16.
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Apr 29, 2019 02:15pm
Why is Pakistan not disclosing information about the other 2 pilots they claimed were in hospital apart from Abhinandan? They can't because, they realized that they were their own F16 shot down by Abhinandan's MIG. Those two pilots were beaten till death by their own violent public thinking that they were Indians.
Shame.
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Apr 29, 2019 02:18pm
@Kharkhowa Kalita, I would worry about Sri lankas recent issues with Tamil Nadu
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Apr 29, 2019 02:24pm
@Gordon D. Walker,
Gordon D. Walker Canada.
Gordon D. Walker SA....
Right?
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Apr 29, 2019 02:38pm
PAF shot 2 fighter aircraft one mig 21 and other SU 30 MKI which fell in IOK. Correct the statement please.
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Apr 29, 2019 02:42pm
@ankit, You are absolutely right. can this theory applies in all circumstances? or you think it is applicable abstractly for Indians.
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Apr 29, 2019 02:44pm
Is a report in Foreign Policy, a US magazine, official statement of US? Why don't they officially deny it? How much more time they need to ascertain? After all their own interest and shame are also attached to it. Better US should come out officially about the truth.
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Apr 29, 2019 02:45pm
They say they are winning in 65
They say they are winning in 71
They say they have own Kargil
They say no troops involved in Kargil.
They deny everything, that may damage its reputation!!
There is only one body who can lie to this extent
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Apr 29, 2019 02:50pm
where gone the second pilot, who was admitted to Hospital ? as mentioned by ISPR spokesperson ?
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Apr 29, 2019 02:56pm
Must be a big relief for Pakistan.
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Apr 29, 2019 03:06pm
Indian Government is not giving any information of so-called Surgical Strikes and Balakot strike to her own people. If anybody asks, he/she is labelled as a Desh Durohi and is asking a third country to provide information to them.
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Apr 29, 2019 03:07pm
@Gordon D. Walker, Cuntnass, Not really but if you are happy that way then so be it.
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Apr 29, 2019 03:15pm
Indian dabbling with the truth on this issue has made them dig a deep hole in the eyes of neutral observers, now they should lie down in it.
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Apr 29, 2019 03:48pm
headline tells everything.
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Apr 29, 2019 04:12pm
When an American fighter plane has been shot down by a Russian airplane why would US share the F-16 details given the showmanship between these 2 super powers? This is a clear indicator that a F-16 is missing.
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Apr 29, 2019 04:12pm
@Pakistani , you mean the IAF that beat the USAF in war games . Please wake up and smell the coffee , History is a good lesson.
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Apr 29, 2019 04:22pm
That sounds more like, we agree an F-16 was shot down but we will not claim it as it will bring down F16 market/value
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Apr 29, 2019 04:32pm
Wait until election finished... MODI will give you proper report with actions.
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Apr 29, 2019 04:38pm
@Nasir, where is the second pilot?
IK and ISPR said on live TV that another pilot is in hospital
This sums it all
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Apr 29, 2019 04:48pm
Element of neutrality and impartiality from Washington is highly appreciated.
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Apr 29, 2019 04:52pm
Earlier I had doubts, but now I am convinced that an F-16 was downed. USA would like to show that their pride was downed by a MiG-21. Hence the stonewalling. Otherwise USA could have categorically denied use of F-16.
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Apr 29, 2019 05:20pm
does Pakistan really want to be at the mercy of a policy determined by foreign countries? a very weak strategic position to be in.
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Apr 29, 2019 06:28pm
not good. Really Embarrassment.
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Apr 29, 2019 06:48pm
Very professional response from US......
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Apr 29, 2019 07:11pm
@Queen , while our neighbor is the biggest failed state of an embarrassment in the entire sub continent if not the democratic world, considering Pakistan is considered a democracy.
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Apr 29, 2019 07:23pm
No,
this is another good luck of Pakistan from revealing his lies.
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Apr 29, 2019 07:34pm
@SKY, Did you go when they were counted?
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Apr 29, 2019 07:51pm
@UA, Not necessarily cozy but would be an embarassment to USA and their aero companies if they 'leak' the information. On the other hand they may 'leak' (as they alredy did) information that is positive to their aero companies. Games the super powers play and the developing countries buy.
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Apr 29, 2019 08:19pm
@Gordon D. Walker, you will not understand the point. After all Canadian asking for the point is pointless
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Apr 29, 2019 08:54pm
No Problem
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Apr 29, 2019 08:56pm
nothing for India in this
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Apr 29, 2019 09:06pm
Indians should have guts to accept the blow. No matter what weapon was used. Otherwise dont dare to start again.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:32pm
A F-16 loss means $15 million foreign exchange loss.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:40pm
@LoneWolf, "When an American fighter plane has been shot down by a Russian airplane why would US share the F-16 details given the showmanship between these 2 super powers? This is a clear indicator that a F-16 is missing."
Personally, I am not sure why the information would not be shared. After all the man behind the machine counts more than the machine.
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Apr 29, 2019 09:52pm
Whether we used F16 or JF17 or pistols, does not matter. Its like the guy that gets beaten up by someone, keeps on complaining and arguing about which side punch was used.
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Apr 30, 2019 03:26am
Summary of the conflict: Loss from Indian side: 40 members of the CRPF dead. 2 jet-fighters lost, 1 wing-commender captured, 1 Helicopter gun-downed by panicked Indian friendly fire, 6 army personnel killed.
For the Pakistan side: No loss of life, no loss of anything accept few trees. Within 2 days Pakistan returned the captured pilot & wins appreciations from all international communities.
At one stage India threatened to fire at least six missiles at Pakistan, and Pakistan said it would respond with its own missile strikes “three times over.” after that India bogged down.
PM Imran Khan shines as a statesman.
Now it is time to stop the debate once & for all, thanks.
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Apr 30, 2019 07:42am
So far US Govt, specifically the Pentagon has not denied or accepted that F16 was shot down, the Magazine is only worth the paper its written on.
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Apr 30, 2019 07:49am
@Gaurav, Because it undermines the supposed strength of F16's. US is giving enough indicators that the plane is missing, but it cannot share more details because it will be embarrassing for them and their technology as compared to the Russians.
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Apr 30, 2019 08:39am
It is not that US has refused to provide this sensitive information. The point is that India has been so strong that it raised this point to US.
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Apr 30, 2019 09:44am
Lying Indians get humiliated yet again.
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Apr 30, 2019 09:51am
@Gaurav, Nice way to keep yourself satisfied; however, there is a thing called Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA). India is not entitled to ask USA about Pakistani fleet details just because their MIG 21 Bison was shot down by an indigenous Pakistani fighter jet after miscalculated adventure and now they want to falsely pacify their citizens by claiming that Pakistani F-16 was also shot down.
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Apr 30, 2019 12:39pm
India doesn't mind as for US, it is all about money and the reputation of its product
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Apr 30, 2019 01:20pm
Something fishy in disclosing the date?
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Apr 30, 2019 01:42pm
@Gordon D. Walker, Its so simple point, donot understand why you indians are not able to understand all defense contracts by any countries are having clauses called " Non Disclosure Agreement" NDA's . the seller or buyer countries cannot disclose information related to the product.. and its the same what Americans told the indians that if some body ask about your C130's and other American equipment we will not tell as per the Purchase agreement clauses.. While Foreign Policy already confirmed that no F-16 lost during fight, so it should be enough for indians.. all 4 missile found intact with abhi nandan plane. The guys on ground saw double ejection which is from only Su30.. Pakistan will never use its double seater F16 for fight as mostly they are meant doe training and these will be last to be used in a fight.. Very sooon PAF will shar ethe proof of indian Su30 hit then i will ask indians.. lets wait for that time
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Apr 30, 2019 03:15pm
@Queen , strange, why India is embarressed? it is an arms deal between US and Pakistan... doubt Pakistan will get details of any Indian Arms deals with the US either
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Apr 30, 2019 04:47pm
@ankit, Keep making stuff up, that’s what you do best
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Apr 30, 2019 09:55pm
@Gordon D. Walker, The point is that India lied, but it it no big deal since they lie all the time
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May 01, 2019 01:56am
@Rahul, keep dreaming
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May 01, 2019 11:58am
To clarify, indians only complained to US for usage of F16 and never asked US to confirm if Pakistan lost an F16.. IAF knew internally that they could not fight PAF and not able to shoot down any plane. Please see the original news. So as per the Non Disclosure Agreement, US cannot disclose to India whether US imposed any restriction on using them against India.. When US refuse don the very first day then there is no question of shooting of F16.
By the way India never discussed the destroyed ammo depot and killing of its atleast 40 soldiers there.. Also India hide the news that when PAF deliberately hit 100 meters away from brigade HQ, at hath time indian Army chief was sitting... its complete IAF's failure
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