Four Pakistani civilians killed in firing along India border
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SIALKOT: Indian Border Security Forces (BSF) personnel resorted to unprovoked firing and shelling along the Working Boundary in Sialkot's Zafarwal and Shakargarh sectors on Monday killing four Pakistani civilians, the Inter Services Public Relations (ISPR) said in a statement.
“2 more civilians embraced martyrdom due to Indian unprovoked firing and shelling,” the Pakistani military’s media wing said.
The ISPR said Indian border forces had resorted to shelling “on civilian population in Shakargarh sector in villages Sukhmaal, Bheke Chak and Bhurey Chak.”
“Exchange of firing continues. Pakistani troops [are] targeting Indian BSF positions which are firing in Pakistan area,” said the statement.
The latest casualties on Monday mounted the civilian death toll on the Pakistani to four.
Earlier, two civilians, including a woman and an 18-year-old boy died as a result of the firing, the ISPR had said.
A Chenab Rangers man and a civilian also sustained injuries in the firing, sources in the Chenab Rangers had told Dawn.
Sources also said that Indian Border Security Force (BSF) personnel, who were stationed at the Karole Karishna and Pansar posts in India, targeted Thakar pur and Karole posts on the Pakistani side.
Both sides continued to trade allegations, with the Indians blaming Pakistani forces of violating a ceasefire agreement.
A report published on The Times of India claimed that Pakistani Rangers violated the ceasefire by targeting border posts in Kathua and Samba sectors, drawing retaliation from BSF.
“Pakistani Rangers resorted to ceasefire violation and opened small arms firing in one post in Samba district and two areas in Kathua district late last night,” the TOI quoted officials as saying.
In December last year, the two countries had pledged to uphold the 2003 ceasefire accord which was left in tatters by repeated violations that year. The truce breaches had put the nascent bilateral peace dialogue on hold.
The Himalayan territory of Kashmir, which is the main contention, between the two countries, is divided between India and Pakistan by the UN-monitored de facto border of Line of Control (LoC). The territory is claimed in full by both the countries.
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Jan 05, 2015 03:18pm
here we go again
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Jan 05, 2015 03:24pm
what is this concept of working boundaries
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Jan 05, 2015 03:29pm
Why don't we halt all infiltrations into Indian Kashmir for a month. Then see if the cross border firing stops.
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Jan 05, 2015 03:59pm
This was started from new year1st Jan by Pakistani rangers. There was no provocation from Indian side, this news is late. There are lives lost on Indian side. BSF is retaliating in full.
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Jan 05, 2015 04:00pm
Congratulation for Aman Ki Asha!
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Jan 05, 2015 04:08pm
The boundary is apparently not working, eh?
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Jan 05, 2015 04:27pm
Pakistan not accepting the international boundry and everytime the say it as working boundry, this is the answer of all question who start first.
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Jan 05, 2015 04:35pm
@Arslan India will only listen to Force ke bhasha - PM Nawaz went many extra miles - but this Modi does not understand- I guess Jihad international will only tune his attitude but than it will be too late - If Modi thinks of 1971 - he lives in Alice in Wonderland -- remember Ghaur Ayub - ex foreign minister words -- something like - unprecedented responsible with full resolve - as one think tank member said: People elected Hitler - Germany paid the price - perhaps soon Indians will pay a heavy price for such adventures .
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Jan 05, 2015 04:55pm
Whenever Pakistan Army pushes against the terrorists on its western borders, India tries to distract them by engaging them on the east. Intentions are very obvious.
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Jan 05, 2015 05:01pm
what is the prob with India? its enjoying our state.
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Jan 05, 2015 05:06pm
More than 50,000 people have died in Pakistan due to terrorism so why did Peshawar incident became so dear to Army that it started attacking the militants? When US drone were hitting the hideouts - every one in Pakistan was crying about innocent victims dead ( refer to Dawn news records). Since PAF has started hitting the targets only terrorists are dying no innocents? (again refer to Dawn news records). Who is playing the game? and why are the citizens quiet about it?
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Jan 05, 2015 05:13pm
I Request Dawn to investigate and publish the true report on militants in the Pakistan side trying to cross the border during these shelling . India has always alleged that .
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Jan 05, 2015 05:16pm
What a waste
2 bald men fighting over a combe
Both countries have majority of people living in abject poverty and the fools are bombing each ither
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Jan 05, 2015 05:23pm
good pak, bravo keep going
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Jan 05, 2015 06:01pm
@Zalim Hussain You or anyone lives in day dreams!
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Jan 05, 2015 06:01pm
Keep Going Pak Rangers... we want to see , how far you can go...........................................!
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Jan 05, 2015 08:13pm
What about the Indian Side of the story. Any answers to that?
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Jan 05, 2015 09:03pm
What is working boundary?
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Jan 05, 2015 09:03pm
This is more like a non-working boundary.
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Jan 05, 2015 09:11pm
@Manjeet Kocchar;
The phrase Working Boundary is used by Pakistan to refer to a demarcation on which only one side of the demarcation is disputed territory, in this case Jammu. In contrast, on Line of Control both sides of the line are disputed territory.
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Jan 05, 2015 09:13pm
SHAME SHAME india.
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Jan 05, 2015 09:14pm
Why can't India and Pakistan be friends forever. Pakistan wasn't created to be enemy of India forever. Pakistan was created so that the Muslim majority of Pakistan would get rights which they felt that it wasn't available for them in United India under so called Secular or Hindu rule. After having Pakistan too Pakistan isn't friendly with India this is unfortunate I feel. India cannot afford to have an enemy as a neighbour which hinders India's economic progress
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Jan 05, 2015 09:14pm
Long live Pak Rangers.
Shame shame india.
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Jan 05, 2015 09:15pm
Innocent Civilian casualities on both sides are sad,senseless and must stop.May good sense prevail
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Jan 05, 2015 09:17pm
@social thinker As if you were standing right there watching who had started the firing. Have some sense please. Thank you!
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Jan 05, 2015 09:58pm
The cited report from Times of India also reported that an Indian soldier was also killed in this skirmish on Monday.
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Jan 05, 2015 10:04pm
Good going, both the countries. Keep killing innocent civilans of each other. The proud nuclear countires. Shame on both of you. Fighting like kids.....
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Jan 05, 2015 11:07pm
Sanity prevails on both side. God give some sense to these war mongers of both side.
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Jan 06, 2015 01:53am
More stupid behavior from both sides.
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Jan 06, 2015 03:07am
Two so called Democratic Peaceful Countries fighting with each other. Shame on both the hypocritical governments. Until and unless people like us discourage such firing peace would not prevail in the subcontinent. Please people, instead of encouraging such killing, it should be condemned and discouraged. Only then our leaders will understand that the border issue isn't working anymore to lure the masses. My sincere request to every sensible person out here.
Courtesy - A person living in the subcontinent
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Jan 06, 2015 04:01am
I have an idea that everyone would love: I say rather than exchange gun fire, why don't we Indians and Pakistanis have cookouts, Pakistanis on one side of the border and Indians on their side of the border. Then we can exchange kabob parathas and biryanis with masala dosa across the border.
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Jan 06, 2015 04:31am
@social thinker Oh yeah? And what about the flag meeting when our soldiers were fired upon as they were headed to the meeting? The height of indian cowardice, and a new low.
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Jan 06, 2015 04:32am
@Asif Iqbal We dont care what the indians allege. Shame on you for being sympathetic to india's lies and deception.
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Jan 06, 2015 04:34am
@friendsforever Because of the Kashmir issue, an unfinished agenda since 1947. Peaceniks like you mean well, but are incredibly naive!
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Jan 06, 2015 05:17am
Both sides will blame each other. Indians will believe the Indian version. Pakistanis will believe the Pakistani version .Truth will never come out
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Jan 06, 2015 05:37am
None of the 2 sides is innocent. Till both Governments seriously want peace this can be stopped, for gaining cheap popularity in the masses poor people are being killed.
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Jan 06, 2015 06:06am
@Akram You mean the imaginary infiltrations? A hard-core Indian pretending to be a Pakistani!
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Jan 06, 2015 06:36am
@Seedoo "Then we can exchange kabob parathas and biryanis with masala dosa across the border."
Sounds like a good plan. We can get back to fighting after exchanging hearty meals.
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Jan 06, 2015 07:02am
What will be the heavy price sir ? Hawks in the east of Pakistan are preaching that indian atom bombs will kill only Muslims whereas Pakistani atom bombs will kill Hindus and Muslims both so it will be a better option for India ? This is high time for both countries to weed out hawkish people and give peace a chance in the interest of one and half billion people ie one fifth of man kind .
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Jan 06, 2015 07:52am
Shameless, we are counting casualties in either side of border, where that human rights protectors ? Third party intervention in respect of some issues like ceasefire violation should be entertained and both the countries should accept.. We must go through the hardship observed by the civilians residing alongside borders, it is painful and sin..Just sitting in Ishlamabad and Delhi's drawing room can be realised.
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Jan 06, 2015 07:53am
Unnecessary nonsense from both sides
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Jan 06, 2015 07:59am
@Zalim Hussain "the same feeling the Indian side also have, this is how we are approaching again to stone age civilization... good yaar,,killing a person is very simple dear but giving protection a life is a challenge..In India Param veer chakra is given for protecting or safeguarding a life, I don't know in Pakistan ?
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Jan 06, 2015 08:04am
@Mustafa The only concrete solution of this problem is to make permanent border between both the countries...
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Jan 06, 2015 08:55am
@social thinker This is social thinker, reporting live from the border!!
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Jan 06, 2015 09:48am
Indian army doesn't have any shame. Now when Pak Army has launched a full fledged war on terrorists in North Waziristan, Indian army is opening new fronts to distract them. Come on India, these old tactics cant work anymore. Have some shame please.
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Jan 06, 2015 09:50am
American dollar!! what else pakistan would have wanted!!! 60 years on and your economy has been the suspended, you are not even in developing countries list, IMF already provided you negative ratings!! guys be mature ask your so called govt to pay concern on your developement rather than putting the efforts to get into others boundary.
60 years on we have been on mars and will be on moon soon, you are still negating the boundaries, learn something, you are loosing behind.
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Jan 06, 2015 10:08am
Please stop this both sides. People are dying as a consequence of your silly ego and ideological games.
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Jan 06, 2015 10:13am
Pakistan by continuing its decades old policy is escalating the conflict between the two countries. Make no mistake that India will continue its offensive defense policy but if Pakistan continues its self-destructive policies, the latter may have to resort to plan B which may prove to be catastrophic for Pakistan who is bent upon committing harakiri at its own peril.
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Jan 06, 2015 10:54am
@Insafseeker white lies
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Jan 06, 2015 11:18am
the most important is who started it. and the world knows that it is pakistan who initiates it all the time.
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Jan 06, 2015 11:37am
Awall allah noor upaia, Kudrat ke sabh bande, Ekk noor te sabh jag upjia, kaun bhalle ko mande.
--- BABA NANAK --
India and Pakistan are the the children of the same mother. Your friendship with each other will go long way. Stop blaming each other. 67 + years are enough for God's sake. Grow up and behave like men.
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Jan 06, 2015 11:42am
@Raj Patel .. Agreed
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Jan 06, 2015 11:57am
How many years people from both sides should suffer.
whatever land you have at both counties be happy about it and continue to strengthen your country.
Don't be foolish in taking people's lives.
From Indian citizen.
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Jan 06, 2015 12:08pm
@Zalim Hussain do you think anybody in the world can use force ki bhasha. focus on terrorists and try to handle small groups then think of any state then nation.
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Jan 06, 2015 12:12pm
Cold blood killer hiding behind birders-
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Jan 06, 2015 12:48pm
@Akram Agreed. Rangers firing is nothing but cover fire to help infiltration. No infiltration means no need for Ranger to fire hence no retaliation from Indian side. Big question is whether Pakistani agencies really want to halt it.
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Jan 06, 2015 01:34pm
@Akram and who told you about that? stop spreading false rumors.
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Jan 06, 2015 01:35pm
@Zalim Hussain
Dear Zalim Hussain, Your view that India will only understand force ke bhasa is completely wrong. Any sane person can understand that if India uses force Pakistan wold be wiped out. Currently India is only responding to ceasefire violations by Pakistan.
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Jan 06, 2015 03:14pm
@Akram Do we (Pakistanis) infiltrate into Indian Kashmir? O come on grow up man!
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Jan 06, 2015 03:15pm
Where does the Working Boundary stop and the International Boundary start according to Pakistan? Do they accept the boundary across Punjab, Rajasthan and Gujarat as International Boundary?
Someone from Pakistan, please check in your text books what they say about the three kinds of boundaries, and let us know.
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Jan 06, 2015 03:22pm
my pakistani friends yr govt. officials and rulers are allowing persons or institutions like hafis saiyes and his followers to deliver hate speech and also says to bleed india. he is wandering here and there no restriction. pl see the world record and see who were respomsible for mumbai attack.yr govt. treats him as if hero.infiltration is clearly seen on tv channels indias. not a single pakistani arises such questions in yr parliament that due to such persons innocent people of both the sides are killed.it seems that just few persons of yr country has taken control and people are giving silent concent to allow his activity.yr school childrens rangers army men people and common man are not safe.friendship with india has given benefits to all world countries, bcos its a democracy. it is upto people of pak. to decide in which atmosphere they want to live its our achievment that we restore democracy since independence. but not under dectatorship.
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Jan 06, 2015 03:35pm
@Akram we thank you akram and you have got 400 plus marks.pl raise such question in parliamant. bcos rulers of yr country never accept what they are doing on international stage towards fighting against terrirism. all indians feel sad while peshawer incident took place. for good will with india you pl start campain and open the eye of rulers.
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Jan 07, 2015 05:53pm
@Zalim Hussain Whether Indians pay a price or not, that time will tell. But Pakistan is certainly paying a very heavy price. The most recent has been the killing of 150 innocent children in Peshawar.
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